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Japan 2019 World Cup draw

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,599 ScrubsfanChris


    Have Italy qualified automatically? They are 15th behind Samoa, Tonga, Georgia and Fiji in the world rankings


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭ ArmaniJeanss


    Have Italy qualified automatically? They are 15th behind Samoa, Tonga, Georgia and Fiji in the world rankings

    Yes, Top 3 in every group at the last World Cup qualifies automatically.


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    Ireland Possible groups.
    Ireland(1), South Africa(2), Argentina (3).
    Ireland(1), Scotland(2), Japan(3).


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,599 ScrubsfanChris


    Yes, Top 3 in every group at the last World Cup qualifies automatically.


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    Ireland Possible groups.
    Ireland(1), South Africa(2), Argentina (3).
    Ireland(1), Scotland(2), Japan(3).
    Forgotten about that :/
    Scotland as the 2nd best seed in the group would do nicely.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,060 ✭✭✭ nc6000


    Yes, Top 3 in every group at the last World Cup qualifies automatically.


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    Ireland Possible groups.
    Ireland(1), South Africa(2), Argentina (3).
    Ireland(1), Scotland(2), Japan(3).

    Is this correct that we'll definitely have one of those groups?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭ LeinsterDub


    nc6000 wrote: »
    Is this correct that we'll definitely have one of those groups?

    No it's just a possible group


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,553 ✭✭✭✭ errlloyd


    nc6000 wrote: »
    Is this correct that we'll definitely have one of those groups?

    No absolutely not. Ireland can have any of the following.

    Scotland OR Wales OR South Africa OR France

    And

    Argentina OR Fiji OR Japan OR Georgia


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭ ArmaniJeanss


    nc6000 wrote: »
    Is this correct that we'll definitely have one of those groups?

    Sorry, that was just a best/worst case sort of thing.

    Could also get any of the other teams from Pot 2 (France or Wales) or Pot 3.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,218 ✭✭✭✭ bilston


    This is the thing about the rankings. It's great being top 4, but we could still end up with France/South Africa and Argentina in our pool. I've still no idea why they do the draw so far out from the WC (and it used to be earlier than this). I'm sure there must be some sort of logistical reason? Anyone know what it is?


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭ ArmaniJeanss


    bilston wrote: »
    This is the thing about the rankings. It's great being top 4, but we could still end up with France/South Africa and Argentina in our pool. I've still no idea why they do the draw so far out from the WC (and it used to be earlier than this). I'm sure there must be some sort of logistical reason? Anyone know what it is?

    Definitely logistical, mainly for ticket sales.
    Draw in May, fixture decided around September, then the next 22 months selling tickets.


  • Registered Users Posts: 676 turnikett1


    Is it possible to go to another World Cup without getting knocked out by Argentina for the 4th time? :(


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭ aloooof


    bilston wrote: »
    This is the thing about the rankings. It's great being top 4, but we could still end up with France/South Africa and Argentina in our pool. I've still no idea why they do the draw so far out from the WC (and it used to be earlier than this). I'm sure there must be some sort of logistical reason? Anyone know what it is?

    Would still rather be top 4 than not, mind. Having France or South Africa in your group doesn't appear to be as daunting a task as it would've been in tournaments passed. Though France have improved a lot under Noves already...


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭ LeinsterDub


    aloooof wrote: »
    Would still rather be top 4 than not, mind. Having France or South Africa in your group doesn't appear to be as daunting a task as it would've been in tournaments passed. Though France have improved a lot under Noves already...

    September 2019 is along time off. Remember how useless Australia were just 6 months prior to the last world cup.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,314 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Peregrine


    Being top 4 means there is zero chance of having New Zealand, England or Australia in our group. I'll take that over having France or SA instead!


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭ aloooof


    September 2019 is along time off. Remember how useless Australia were just 6 months prior to the last world cup.

    Agreed, and it is hard to tell this far out, but even allowing for improvements from both France and SA, I'd still rather be in the position we are in.

    EDIT: Peregrine's post above sums it up pretty well for me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,998 ✭✭✭✭ PTH2009


    I guess Japan will go straight into Group A as there hosts and in fact if we get drawn in that group than we could play them on the first night of the tournament ??


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,553 ✭✭✭✭ errlloyd


    If my aim was to win the world cup I think I'd rather be in a pool with New Zealand than be Tier 1 in a pool with France (for example). The form of the 2nd to 8th best teams now is still fairly meainginless. The only constant is that New Zealand are the best in the world, and the only way to guarantee avoiding them in the quarter or semi is to play them in the pool.

    In two out of the last three world cups, both finalists have come from the same pool.

    I also think the most important element of the draw for us is the potential quarter finalists. If we're in a pool with South Africa that will be annoying. But if we're going to play the winner / loser of the pool with Australia, Scotland and Japan I'd back us to beat Aus and Scotland and then semi final time.

    If on the other hand, we're in a pool with Scotland and Japan, but we're gonna play the winner loser of the New Zealand, South Africa or Argentina pool we might have a problem. The team that comes second in the pool of death is probably going to be an in form tier 1 nation and I guess the Bayesian part of me thinks theyre likely to be better than the other "losing" quarter finalists.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭ The Lost Sheep


    The draw is tomorrow week. What draw would people like to get?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭ aloooof


    The draw is tomorrow week. What draw would people like to get?

    Anyone but Argentina from pot 3...


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭ The Lost Sheep


    Band 1: New Zealand, England, Australia, Ireland
    Band 2: Scotland, France, South Africa, Wales
    Band 3: Argentina, Japan, Georgia, Italy
    Band 4: Americas 1, Europe 1, Oceania 1, Oceania 2
    Band 5: Africa 1, Americas 2, Europe/Oceania play-off, Repechage


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭ CIARAN_BOYLE


    The draw is tomorrow week. What draw would people like to get?

    you have to think SA would be somewhat recovered come the rwc. So hopefully not them from pot 2.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,063 ✭✭✭✭ wp_rathead


    Wales and Argentina would be our nightmare


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 Rightwing


    Probability is that we will fall at the q/f stage. That is assuming we avoid Argies, mighn't get out of the group in such an event unless we get Scots & Argies.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,998 ✭✭✭✭ PTH2009


    Band 1: New Zealand, England, Australia, Ireland
    Band 2: Scotland, France, South Africa, Wales
    Band 3: Argentina, Japan, Georgia, Italy
    Band 4: Americas 1, Europe 1, Oceania 1, Oceania 2
    Band 5: Africa 1, Americas 2, Europe/Oceania play-off, Repechage

    Scotland, Georgia,America's 1 and Africa 1 please

    But we will prob get the hardest possible draw like Wales, Argentina


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,978 irishbucsfan


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Probability is that we will fall at the q/f stage. That is assuming we avoid Argies, mighn't get out of the group in such an event unless we get Scots & Argies.

    Why on earth would getting Argentina as a 3rd seed increase our ability of getting out of our group? Are you really thinking Argentina are preferable to Georgia, Japan or Italy?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭ aloooof


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Probability is that we will fall at the q/f stage. That is assuming we avoid Argies, mighn't get out of the group in such an event unless we get Scots & Argies.

    If we went by probabilities, nobody would watch any sport... Happily rugby matches aren't decided by probability.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭ ArmaniJeanss


    Oceania 1&2 from Pot 4 would probably be good ones to avoid as well.
    Likely Samoa, and one of Tonga and Fiji.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭ aloooof


    Why on earth would getting Argentina as a 3rd seed increase our ability of getting out of our group? Are you really thinking Argentina are preferable to Georgia, Japan or Italy?

    I think he's saying that if we get Argentina from the 3rd pot, we mightn't get out of the group at all, unless we also had Scotland from pot 2. I think.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,978 irishbucsfan


    aloooof wrote: »
    I think he's saying that if we get Argentina from the 3rd pot, we mightn't get out of the group at all, unless we also had Scotland from pot 2. I think.

    Ahhh I think you're right. Yes that would make more sense.

    We have the beating of France and Wales for sure and South Africa may be the weakest of all those teams unless they sort their issues out. It may quite a weak group by 2019.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭ ArmaniJeanss


    Also from a non Irish pov, I think its wrong that they took the qualifying spot away from Asia just because Japan had qualified automatically.
    So now the rest of the Asian teams can only get in through the repechage spot.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 Rightwing


    It is a bit off, but no question the Argies are the team to avoid for all. Japs could also be a handful from Pot 3


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