Bishop Eamon Casey dies

spookwoman · 13-03-2017 10:39PM

Lady Chatterton wrote: »

The same as lots of couples enter marriage with every intention of obeying their vows but people are human, they fall in and out of love.

Most get a divorce he stayed in till he was found out. He also took church money to pay for his kid.
He seems to have issues with church vows and rules. His vow of celibacy, sex outside marriage, lies about fathering a child, stealing money for his child. Stealing I believe is a commandment. He then legged it. Most of the papers say he supported celibacy for priests and was against premarital sex and we know what he did.
Guess it was do as I say not as I do.

Itssoeasy · 13-03-2017 10:40PM

vicwatson wrote: »

Gay Byrne wanker in that interview

The local parish council in the front row weren't much better. I'd say that lived off that for years. Thankfully in many regards we've moved on.

murpho999 · 13-03-2017 10:41PM

Matt.ie wrote: »

What are you going on about man?

The fact I was confirmed by Dr casey was an add on.

Now the question I asked was quiet simple,show me where he perched about celibacy.

You could do with a bit of church yourself I dare say,it might help take the edge off that hate an anger you hold toward religion.

I have no idea about him preaching or 'perching' about celibacy, but the truth is that he took an oath of celibacy when he joined the church.
He then became a Bishop and that meant he would have conducted ordination ceremonies and sworn new priests into the church and swore these men to celibacy.
Celibacy is an important cornerstone of Catholic pastoral life.

He went against this on more than one occasion over a prolonged period of time.

He also stole money that had been donated to the church which is a sin in the eyes of the church and its God and also a crime in the eyes of the law.

But people are now excusing this because he's only human and look what came later.

As for your last comment. I o not need church. Feel no hate or anger towards them. Just pity for people who believe and follow it and allow their lives to be dictated to by hypocrites.

Itssoeasy · 13-03-2017 10:42PM

Water John wrote: »

RIP
I heard of the fact that he had a teenage son, 3 years before it became public and I live in a diff county. A lot of people must have known.

Certainly knew of a PP in my county having 3 children.
A good % of priests working in 'third world' countries have partners and children.
He was wrong on the money issue. He was however treated appallingly by his fellow bishops.

Yeah the money thing was a bad move but the having a child in hindsight compared to what other priests did wasn't that bad.

kylith · 13-03-2017 10:43PM

Regardless of anything else, the vow of chastity is a fcking stupid idea.

Itssoeasy · 13-03-2017 10:47PM

kylith wrote: »

Regardless of anything else, the vow of chastity is a fcking stupid idea.

It's a very unnatural life and from what I gather a very lonely existence today. In the past being a priest you were the head man in most towns in Ireland and priests were plentiful. Now most priests are elderly and bar saying mass once a day and a few more times on the weekend, it must be very lonely.

Noddyholder · 13-03-2017 10:49PM

I wonder will the Son go to his Father's funeral, I am sure there be a queue of media/tabloids ready to pay his fare & get some story from him, if he agreed.

murpho999 · 13-03-2017 10:52PM

paleoperson wrote: »

murpho999 always has an insatiable thirst for putting down the church.

No doubt he was never treated badly by them or knew anyone that was, he just sees it as an opportunity to spread hate while supposed retaining the moral upper ground.

Never treated badly by the church as I stopped believing and going at around the age of 13.

I did however go to a school run by Presentation Brothers and some of those guys treated kids badly, including myself , in a cruel, sadistic manner more so than a sexually perverted way.

Also, I do actually know a person who was sexually abused by a priest in Rathnew. Priest is now in jail.

So you're actually wrong, but no doubt it's not the priest's fault, probably the fault of good looking children in opinion of those who seem to defend the church no matter what happens.

As for putting down the church, I don't have an insatiable thirst to put it down. As the last week has shown, the church is more than capable itself of bringing itself into disrepute.

What annoys me more is how the church still has a grip over people here as it has become culturally ingrained.

Kids being baptised to just to get into a school.
Kids receiving baptism, communion and confirmation despite never going to church or being religious as it's the social thing to do.

RTE still showing The Angelus despite Ireland being legally secular
Pubs being forced to close on Good Friday because of archaic religious laws.

I could go on and on but the catholics here will defend it so there's not much point.

Itssoeasy · 13-03-2017 10:59PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Never treated badly by the church as I stopped believing and going at around the age of 13.

I did however go to a school run by Presentation Brothers and some of those guys treated kids badly, including myself , in a cruel, sadistic manner more so than a sexually perverted way.

Also, I do actually know a person who was sexually abused by a priest in Rathnew. Priest is now in jail.

So you're actually wrong, but no doubt it's not the priest's fault, probably the fault of good looking children in opinion of those who seem to defend the church no matter what happens.

As for putting down the church, I don't have an insatiable thirst to put it down. As the last week has shown, the church is more than capable itself of bringing itself into disrepute.

What annoys me more is how the church still has a grip over people here as it has become culturally ingrained.

Kids being baptised to just to get into a school.
Kids receiving baptism, communion and confirmation despite never going to church or being religious as it's the social thing to do.

RTE still showing The Angelus despite Ireland being legally secular
Pubs being forced to close on Good Friday because of archaic religious laws.

I could go on and on but the catholics here will defend it so there's not much point.

Its an act of the oireachtas that prohibits pubs being open on good Friday not a religious law archaic or otherwise.

murpho999 · 13-03-2017 11:04PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Its an act of the oireachtas that prohibits pubs being open on good Friday not a religious law archaic or otherwise.

The Oireachtas was heavily influenced and controlled by the church at the time

De Valera was too well in with bishop John McQuaid basically controlling the country at the time and catholic influenced laws introduced.

kylith · 13-03-2017 11:06PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Its an act of the oireachtas that prohibits pubs being open on good Friday not a religious law archaic or otherwise.

Just because it's an act of the Oireachtas doesn't mean it's not religiously motivated.

The pubs don't close because we're all so feckin' secular.

jimmy blevins · 13-03-2017 11:14PM

murpho999 wrote: »

The Oireachtas was heavily influenced and controlled by the church at the time

De Valera was too well in with bishop John McQuaid basically controlling the country at the time and catholic influenced laws introduced.

McQuad was was the Irish equivalent of Hoover in the FBI, a total creep who kept control through a network of informers.

Itssoeasy · 13-03-2017 11:14PM

murpho999 wrote: »

The Oireachtas was heavily influenced and controlled by the church at the time

De Valera was too well in with bishop John McQuaid basically controlling the country at the time and catholic influenced laws introduced.

I know that but this the intoxicating liquor act has been amended several times since then then so Dev has had feck all to do with the most recent act. Murpho999 you come across as being very angry and have ranted several times in this thread. I was simply giving you the reason why the pubs are still closed on good Friday and you replied by ranting.

Itssoeasy · 13-03-2017 11:16PM

kylith wrote: »

Just because it's an act of the Oireachtas doesn't mean it's not religiously motivated.

The pubs don't close because we're all so feckin' secular.

The lastest intoxicating liquor act was in 2008. It could have been amended to remove the section which prohibits pubs opening if the dail wanted to. It didn't.

murpho999 · 13-03-2017 11:18PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I know that but this the intoxicating liquor act has been amended several times since then then so Dev has had feck all to do with the most recent act. Murpho999 you come across as being very angry and have ranted several times in this thread. I was simply giving you the reason why the pubs are still closed on good Friday and you replied by ranting.

I fail to see how pointing out historical facts can be interpreted as ranting.

I only seem to come across as angry to those who support the church.

zl1whqvjs75cdy · 13-03-2017 11:22PM

Do we really think that someone as involved as he was with the Catholic Church hierarchy didn't know about the various sexual abuse scandals that are now coming to light? Give me a break. He's a thief, a hypocrite and at the very least turned a blind eye to the most nefarious sort of evil in the church organisation. This ah shure he's alright notion is totally ridiculous.

Itssoeasy · 13-03-2017 11:23PM

murpho999 wrote: »

I fail to see how pointing out historical facts can be interpreted as ranting.

I only seem to come across as angry to those who support the church.

Look you said that pubs are closed on good Friday because of archaic religious laws. I simply pointed out it was because of the intoxicating liquor act that stops them opening which is correct.

Now it might have been influenced by the church in some way but the church had no say over the 2008 version but yet pubs stay closed on certain days.

DanMurphy · 13-03-2017 11:25PM

RIP
Bishop Casey gave me a lift on the road once, from Athlone to Moate.
Within a mile we were exchanging jokes, and after two miles, singing along to 'Sloop John B' on the car radio like two mad teenagers.
A man that loved life, and I was sorry I wasn't going all the way to Dublin with him, for he was great company.
Let those of us without sin cast the first stone, etc, etc.
I've done a lot worse things in my life than he ever did.
The light of Heaven to him.
Dan Murphy

Ubbquittious · 14-03-2017 12:00AM

If it's drink you want and plenty of feeding
And you like the bed as well
Grab the wife, throw the kids in the Datsun
Make for Inch and the Strand hotel
If talk of turf drives you crazy
And you can't face a bale of hay
Make for Foley's work the topshelf talk puck, pints and the GAA

JupiterKid · 14-03-2017 07:05AM

RIP Eamonn Casey. I remember the "scandal" well. It was early 1992 and I was turning 17. Already disillusioned with religion and the church, it was what made me decide to stop going to mass for good. I argued with my Dad over this decision but he eventually came around. I was disgusted with the hypocrisy as I saw it on Casey's part. I was also disgusted at Gaybo's later treatment of Annie Murphy on the Late Late. His son Peter would be around my age.

Oh, but how all innocent it seems in hindsight. Compared to Fr Brendan Smyth, the Goldenbridge orphanage revelations and the tidal wave of sickening scandal after scandal that followed, Casey's peccadilloes were minor. Yes, he was a flawed individual but aren't we all? Who can claim to be perfect? Casey also did a lot of good work in his time. The way the Church treated him was appalling - especially compared to the way they shielded child rapists.

Casey's scandal marked the beginning of the end for Church power in Ireland and that is a very good thing. Looking back now it seems like a different planet. One thing I have no regrets is walking away from the Church at 17 - so many followed.

DanMurphy · 14-03-2017 10:29AM

Gaybo thought he was a demi - God.
Instead, he was a cardboard cut-out of a real man.
TV fame does that to weak people.
All in my opinion, of course.

IvyTheTerrible · 14-03-2017 10:44AM

Was the bishop of Tuam responsible for the mother and baby homes in his diocese?
And given when he was in charge, were any pedophile priests moved around? I'd like to know the answers to those questions before I think he was a grand fella.

BrianBoru00 · 14-03-2017 10:55AM

DanMurphy wrote: »

Gaybo thought he was a demi - God.
Instead, he was a cardboard cut-out of a real man.
TV fame does that to weak people.
All in my opinion, of course.

I've re watched that interview in the last few days for the first time since 1993 and actually don't think Gaybo did treat her badly.
Apart from saying he knew what Eamon would do/say he gave her right to reply to all comments.

hungry hypno toad · 14-03-2017 11:40AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Completely different issue and nothing to do with the protection of paedophiles that occured afterwards.

Ha, I hope you're being sarcastic.

Trying to understand why you care so much about religious vows. You must be religious?

Zebra3 · 14-03-2017 12:36PM

I've no issue with him apart from the thieving, the hypocrisy and ignoring his son.

downwesht · 14-03-2017 01:13PM

When I mentioned preaching celibacy I was outlining what he would have told those whom he ordained....not the ordinary person.

ablelocks · 14-03-2017 01:20PM

apparently, soon after arriving to the nursing home, he corrected a fellow resident for calling him Father Casey - I'm a Bishop, not a Father

Ah, but you are a father another resident said, loud enough for all to hear.

no more airs and graces after that...

jiltloop · 14-03-2017 01:57PM

murpho999 wrote: »

I have no idea about him preaching or 'perching' about celibacy, but the truth is that he took an oath of celibacy when he joined the church.
He then became a Bishop and that meant he would have conducted ordination ceremonies and sworn new priests into the church and swore these men to celibacy.
Celibacy is an important cornerstone of Catholic pastoral life.

He went against this on more than one occasion over a prolonged period of time.

He also stole money that had been donated to the church which is a sin in the eyes of the church and its God and also a crime in the eyes of the law.

But people are now excusing this because he's only human and look what came later.

As for your last comment. I o not need church. Feel no hate or anger towards them. Just pity for people who believe and follow it and allow their lives to be dictated to by hypocrites.

Can you not see the irony in your stance? On one hand you say you pity people who believe in and follow the church and on the other you criticize Casey for breaking one of the rules of the church. Why do you seem to be protective of the sanctity of the rule that Casey broke but derisory about the rules that religious people follow?

youtheman · 14-03-2017 02:32PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Eamon Casey walked into a bar.

"Pint of Guinness please".

"Sorry, we're out of Guinness", replied the barman.

"Ok, do you have any Murphy's?" asked the bishop.

Fellow walks into the Cathedral in Galway. Meets a Bucket Shaker and enquires what the collection is for. "SHARE" is the reply. "What, did he fu*k her was well".

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