Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

McLoughlin · 19-02-2017 12:26PM

sligeach wrote: »

We're less than 2 weeks from launch and the amount of stuff we still don't know is ridiculous. Like this morning, I've been looking to see when the review embargoes are lifted on BOTW, can't find a definitive answer. I know major sites and publications have the game, IGN Tweeted so a few days ago. I've heard it's either the day before or else midnight east coast time on Friday. It's like the embargo has an embargo.

March 2nd one of the ign guys said on twitter

CiDeRmAn · 19-02-2017 02:27PM

Quick question on storage, if they had of gone ahead and made a 250GB storage available onboard as part of the device, what sort of cost would that have placed on the consumer?
And would we have tolerated it?

fixXxer · 19-02-2017 02:45PM

It might be a case where when it's docked you could choose from a library to have loaded on the system. Have all your stuff on massive drive and copy a selection on to the device. Would side step the problem of worrying about disconnecting the Switch while copying from the HD.

That_Guy · 19-02-2017 02:54PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Quick question on storage, if they had of gone ahead and made a 250GB storage available onboard as part of the device, what sort of cost would that have placed on the consumer?
And would we have tolerated it?

It's a funny situation because if Nintendo announced that amount of storage and priced the Switch at €400, I'd have said, "no way. Price too high".

Yet, I'm spending close to €480 (maybe more) on the Switch and the various little accessories, Zelda and Pro Controller.

Those costs are somewhat hidden for me because I've been able to spread the cost of a SD card, game and what not rather than fork out all that money at once.

I actually just balked at that above figure. :eek:

CiDeRmAn · 19-02-2017 02:59PM

If you consider the money we dropped on the 360, PS3, XB1 and PS4 at their respective launches the Switch outlay is not so bad.
If I think of the money spent at the 3DO launch.... Jaysus... Must be the present day equivalent of around €600/700!!

Inviere · 19-02-2017 03:18PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Quick question on storage, if they had of gone ahead and made a 250GB storage available onboard as part of the device, what sort of cost would that have placed on the consumer?
And would we have tolerated it?

As mentioned above, it'd have been cheaper than going the card route. Granted, it'd have required a significantly different design philosophy, in that the hdd would likely have had to be housed within the dock, and the installed games would only have been available while in docked mode - but that'd have been a true hybrid design.

mayordenis · 19-02-2017 03:38PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

If you consider the money we dropped on the 360, PS3, XB1 and PS4 at their respective launches the Switch outlay is not so bad.
If I think of the money spent at the 3DO launch.... Jaysus... Must be the present day equivalent of around €600/700!!

I also had a close to launch 3DO, wasn't it straight up like £600 or something, would probably work out at €1000+.

mayordenis · 19-02-2017 03:40PM

Inviere wrote: »

As mentioned above, it'd have been cheaper than going the card route. Granted, it'd have required a significantly different design philosophy, in that the hdd would likely have had to be housed within the dock, and the installed games would only have been available while in docked mode - but that'd have been a true hybrid design.

True hybrid would mean not being able to play digital games on the go? That is bananas, unless I'm taking you up wrong.

People get so entrenched in their argument that they lose sight of sense.

sligeach · 19-02-2017 03:44PM

That_Guy wrote: »

It's a funny situation because if Nintendo announced that amount of storage and priced the Switch at €400, I'd have said, "no way. Price too high".

Yet, I'm spending close to €480 (maybe more) on the Switch and the various little accessories, Zelda and Pro Controller.

Those costs are somewhat hidden for me because I've been able to spread the cost of a SD card, game and what not rather than fork out all that money at once.

I actually just balked at that above figure. :eek:

I asked a week or two ago if anybody read The Stone Soup as a kid. It reminds me of the Switch a bit. There's a lot of hidden costs. The Switch doesn't come with a game. Doesn't come with sufficient storage(could end up paying for a HDD and a Micro SD card). Doesn't come with a traditional controller(Playing 2D games you need a proper D pad). Then there's other things like now we've to pay for online. And in future will there be an option to send the Switch in for a battery capacity upgrade at an extra cost of course? And I'm not talking about the cost to replace the battery when it dies. There's more besides, like yet more money for a Joy-con charging grip. Those are just the hidden cost issues.

Inviere · 19-02-2017 04:00PM

mayordenis wrote: »

True hybrid would mean not being able to play digital games on the go? That is bananas, unless I'm taking you up wrong.

No, true hybrid in that it can be both a fully functioning home console, as well as a portable handheld device. As it stands, if they don't go ahead with allowing external storage to be used, they're essentially prioritizing the handheld aspect over the home console aspect. There's absolutely nothing wrong with allowing users to manage how the internal memory is used, and using external storage as a larger pool to store games for home use.

People get so entrenched in their argument that they lose sight of sense.

I suppose it depends on how you define 'sense'. For me, disallowing external storage and forcing everyone to buy more expensive yet smaller internal memory just for the sake of portability, isn't sense at all. Not everyone will use the Switch for portability reasons, and as I said above, what's wrong with giving people the choice of what to have installed internally as well as externally...y'know, like every other console has done in the last ten years?

DARK-KNIGHT · 19-02-2017 04:01PM

sligeach wrote: »

I asked a week or two ago if anybody read The Stone Soup as a kid. It reminds me of the Switch a bit. There's a lot of hidden costs. The Switch doesn't come with a game. Doesn't come with sufficient storage(could end up paying for a HDD and a Micro SD card). Doesn't come with a traditional controller(Playing 2D games you need a proper D pad). Then there's other things like now we've to pay for online. And in future will there be an option to send the Switch in for a battery capacity upgrade at an extra cost of course? And I'm not talking about the cost to replace the battery when it dies. There's more besides, like yet more money for a Joy-con charging grip. Those are just the hidden cost issues.

Grim reading lad

I'm slowly being turned off this console the closer it gets to launch

Star Lord · 19-02-2017 04:04PM

Because the majority of people will want to be able to... Switch... between modes as the need arises. Like switching to the Gamepad on the Wii U when someone else wants to watch the TV, you can switch to handheld mode with the switch. Or take it to another room in the house. If playing from an external HDD that option is gone. And disconnection could then possibly cause data integrity issues.

Inviere · 19-02-2017 04:06PM

Star Lord wrote: »

Because the majority of people will want to be able to... Switch... between modes as the need arises. Like switching to the Gamepad on the Wii U when someone else wants to watch the TV, you can switch to handheld mode with the switch. Or take it to another room in the house. If playing from an external HDD that option is gone. And disconnection could then possibly cause data integrity issues.

But give people the choice...

DARK-KNIGHT · 19-02-2017 04:06PM

So what exactly is included at launch

That_Guy · 19-02-2017 04:09PM

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

So what exactly is included at launch

The Nintendo Switch console
Left and right Joy-Con controllers
Joy-Con wrist straps
The Joy-Con Grip
The Nintendo Switch Dock
An HDMI cable
and an A/C adaptor

I think.

Inviere · 19-02-2017 04:10PM

That_Guy wrote: »

The Nintendo Switch console
Left and right Joy-Con controllers
Joy-Con wrist straps
The Joy-Con Grip
The Nintendo Switch Dock
An HDMI cable
and an A/C adaptor

I think.

...and the box too

DARK-KNIGHT · 19-02-2017 04:13PM

That_Guy wrote: »

The Nintendo Switch console
Left and right Joy-Con controllers
Joy-Con wrist straps
The Joy-Con Grip
The Nintendo Switch Dock
An HDMI cable
and an A/C adaptor

I think.

so do we need a seperate charger for the joycons if they are in the grip? like i mean if they die how do we charge them whilst playing on the tv?

Digital Solitude · 19-02-2017 04:17PM

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

so do we need a seperate charger for the joycons if they are in the grip? like i mean if they die how do we charge them whilst playing on the tv?

There's a grip that charges then, it's €30 I think.

They charge pretty quickly when attached to the switch and have a 20hr battery life, just snap them on the side when you're done and you won't have to worry

That_Guy · 19-02-2017 04:18PM

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

so do we need a seperate charger for the joycons if they are in the grip? like i mean if they die how do we charge them whilst playing on the tv?

It looks that way. Or you can attach it to the Switch and they'll charge from there.

Tbh though, the battery life is supposed to be around 20 hours so unless you're planning mammoth gaming sessions, this shouldn't really be an issue.

DARK-KNIGHT · 19-02-2017 04:21PM

Digital Solitude wrote: »

There's a grip that charges then, it's €30 I think.

They charge pretty quickly when attached to the switch and have a 20hr battery life, just snap them on the side when you're done and you won't have to worry

so its 30 euro for the charger? so 330 plus 30 plus a game say 65-70 sd 128 gb is 60 so around 490 on launch day. i also wanted the main controller that would be 80 no way can i afford to add that at launch. thats 490 euro for a console and one game at launch and that would be at a minimum. those numbers are crazy, far too expensive

it appears the costs for this console are being put to the side hoping people will just pay it regardless.

DARK-KNIGHT · 19-02-2017 04:22PM

That_Guy wrote: »

It looks that way. Or you can attach it to the Switch and they'll charge from there.

Tbh though, the battery life is supposed to be around 20 hours so unless you're planning mammoth gaming sessions, this shouldn't really be an issue.

the problem is with zelda games i tend to put in massive gaming sessions so it will be an issue

sligeach · 19-02-2017 04:24PM

For the Switch, Pro controller, a decent sized memory card and Zelda, you're looking at well over €500.

DARK-KNIGHT · 19-02-2017 04:26PM

sligeach wrote: »

For the Switch, Pro controller, a decent sized memory card and Zelda, you're looking at well over €500.

im the biggest nintendo fanboy here but no way can i justify this purchase

dunworth1 · 19-02-2017 04:27PM

sligeach wrote: »

I asked a week or two ago if anybody read The Stone Soup as a kid. It reminds me of the Switch a bit. There's a lot of hidden costs. The Switch doesn't come with a game. Doesn't come with sufficient storage(could end up paying for a HDD and a Micro SD card). Doesn't come with a traditional controller(Playing 2D games you need a proper D pad). Then there's other things like now we've to pay for online. And in future will there be an option to send the Switch in for a battery capacity upgrade at an extra cost of course? And I'm not talking about the cost to replace the battery when it dies. There's more besides, like yet more money for a Joy-con charging grip. Those are just the hidden cost issues.

almost every console is the same a launch this is nothing new
my launch Xbox one cost be €500 with no games and a limited hdd space
for a few games which after a few weeks I had to buy an external hdd

I'm seriously getting tired of this same old argument every few posts by people we read it the first time 200 odd pages ago
people who buy day one are always paying a premium
€330 for the console is not expensive if you think so then just dont buy
it

these perceived hidden costs are ridiculous you get everything to need to play a game either on your tv or on the go anything else is a premium add-on

people complain so much about the price but want all these extras thrown in for less

as mentioned above if the included higher storage and the price went up
people will still be complaining it

people love to complain on the internet (myself included)

A question could we create another thread for people to complain about what the switch doesn't have etc.?
oh wait that wouldn't work as there would be no reaction from people

just over 11 days to go I'm still excited about the switch

DARK-KNIGHT · 19-02-2017 04:28PM

Can I ask for honest opinions as consumers lads nevermind the fact we are all huge fans but really? are you all happy to be paying those prices? and all the seperate stuff like batteries needing upgrading aswell at a cost to us?

Star Lord · 19-02-2017 04:35PM

I'm not sure why so many people want the pro controllers myself, I feel the joy-cons in the grip would be enough, personally. Happy to wait and see how the separate buttons work first myself.

In saying that, I have also ordered an additional set of joy-cons and a charging grip, so that we can multi-player any games that need traditional controller layouts. Or play up to 4 player in the games where the single joy-con would suffice.

dunworth1 · 19-02-2017 04:35PM

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Can I ask for honest opinions as consumers lads nevermind the fact we are all huge fans but really? are you all happy to be paying those prices? and all the seperate stuff like batteries needing upgrading aswell at a cost to us?

i was happy to pay 500 for my xbox day one no issues
I'm happy to pay 330 day one for the switch

i like to have new shiny things so i have no issue with paying a premium price
for then within reason obviously I wouldn't pay beyond the retail price from some scalper trying to make a quick few bob from it

Star Lord · 19-02-2017 04:37PM

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Can I ask for honest opinions as consumers lads nevermind the fact we are all huge fans but really? are you all happy to be paying those prices? and all the seperate stuff like batteries needing upgrading aswell at a cost to us?

Batteries needing upgrading is absolutely just conjecture at this point.

Inviere · 19-02-2017 04:38PM

Star Lord wrote: »

I'm not sure why so many people want the pro controllers myself, I feel the joy-cons in the grip would be enough, personally.

Have a game of Mega Man on a DS3/4, or PSP even for an idea of how it'll perform on delicate 2d type games. I'm sure for the most part, the Joy-cons will be grand, but getting into VC material, can't see 'em being great at all. Pro Controller all the way for that stuff for me.

Star Lord · 19-02-2017 04:44PM

This being a new controller, I'd be happy to try it first before investing in a pro controller though!

Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

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