Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

Corholio

I won't be getting the charging grip nor the pro controller at launch. Plenty of battery life in the joy cons not to need the charging grip, so putting that as a must purchase and adding it to the cost is a misnomer imo. I've heard enough about the controller that's with it to be fine with it for a while, sure it doesn't have the d-pad but only certain games are a must for that. The launch is always the most expense you'll pay for a console because people naturally bundle things together, whereas for the rest of it's life you're mostly buying individual things. You can add any amount of things together to make any console launch look as expensive as you want really, and if it ends up being expensive for people they simply won't buy it at launch and will wait. Simples.

sligeach

dunworth1 wrote: »

almost every console is the same a launch this is nothing new
my launch Xbox one cost be €500 with no games and a limited hdd space
for a few games which after a few weeks I had to buy an external hdd

I'm seriously getting tired of this same old argument every few posts by people we read it the first time 200 odd pages ago
people who buy day one are always paying a premium
€330 for the console is not expensive if you think so then just dont buy
it

these perceived hidden costs are ridiculous you get everything to need to play a game either on your tv or on the go anything else is a premium add-on

people complain so much about the price but want all these extras thrown in for less

as mentioned above if the included higher storage and the price went up
people will still be complaining it

people love to complain on the internet (myself included)

A question could we create another thread for people to complain about what the switch doesn't have etc.?
oh wait that wouldn't work as there would be no reaction from people


just over 11 days to go I'm still excited about the switch

That's your opinion. There's no point in saying well such and such were higher at launch. That's not how the average consumer will look at it. What's relevant is what's the price of the competition now? Nintendo have to compete against them. The Switch is a "console" that is more expensive, weaker, has less multimedia features, lacks a traditional controller, way lower storage, terrible online in comparison, etc, etc. I speak as someone who is a Nintendo only gamer and have never bought a Sony/Microsoft console. Yes Nintendo have their strengths but that didn't save the Wii U. They did so much wrong there and gave up really easily. I see more mistakes with the Switch. Nintendo can't abandon this though like they did with the Wii U and fall back on the 3DS. I don't know where they go from here if it fails. I'm about 50/50 on whether it'll do well long term.

That_Guy

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Can I ask for honest opinions as consumers lads nevermind the fact we are all huge fans but really? are you all happy to be paying those prices? and all the seperate stuff like batteries needing upgrading aswell at a cost to us?

I'm never happy spending any money ever!!!

So, once that October promo dropped, I started saving a bit without knowing what the price was. I had initially thought that €350 would cover it plus a game. Obviously hindsight will show that I was wrong on that matter.

The Switch itself still has me hooked - likewise Zelda - so barring some catastrophic marketing/messaging I was likely to put down a pre-order.

Come the January event and yeah, I was hyped but there was still some glaring omissions regarding storage etc and the fact that no game was to be bundled with the Switch.

The little details started pouring out about extra this and extra that which was concerning but I felt personally that there's enough about this system that the positives were outweighing the bad.

That won't necessarily be the case for everybody and look, I'm not happy about having to pay extra for a Micro SD card but I can shop around and I got a cheap one that'll do me for a while.

The things like a pro controller and extra joycons and a charging grip are luxuries and not necessary imo BUT I did fork out for the pro controller because I like traditional controllers when playing at home. Did I need it? Nope. That was something I was willing to pay for.

Zelda on the other hand was always going to be a purchase for anybody buying the Switch so that was going to be a definite extra from the get go.

Sure, I would have appreciated a bundled deal but none are being made available at the time of writing anyway so that's a bit annoying as it could have been a bit of a saving.

I'm not happy about the figure I'll have ended up paying but spreading payments out makes it somewhat bearable and gives me peace of mind somewhat that I haven't thrown a wad of cash away in one go. It's still a high price I've chosen to put towards this console.

As a consumer, it's a lot of money and having not even touched a Switch, I don't even know if I'll be justified in spending this money.

What I do know is, I'm excited about the possibilities and when I've opened up everything I've ordered and am wandering around Hyrule at home/on the go I won't even be thinking of money because I know that Zelda is going to be amazing and if I can continually get alternative experiences on this console then it'll have been worth it.

Yeah, I'm concerned about certain aspects of the Switch that haven't been released yet but they're not major concerns that might make or break the console in the long run.

Digital Solitude

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

so its 30 euro for the charger? so 330 plus 30 plus a game say 65-70 sd 128 gb is 60 so around 490 on launch day. i also wanted the main controller that would be 80 no way can i afford to add that at launch. thats 490 euro for a console and one game at launch and that would be at a minimum. those numbers are crazy, far too expensive

it appears the costs for this console are being put to the side hoping people will just pay it regardless.

490 launch if you want that stuff, no one will need the SD card at launch, the joy con charger is optional, as is the pro controller. The launch price is about €400 for the console and a game, which is by no means expensive as far as launch consoles go.

The SD card I'll concede is a definite cost that shouldn't be there but adding €110 for the controller's is nonsense, that's like saying an XOne is too pricy because you're adding the price of the Elite Controller into it

Digital Solitude

Inviere wrote: »

Have a game of Mega Man on a DS3/4, or PSP even for an idea of how it'll perform on delicate 2d type games. I'm sure for the most part, the Joy-cons will be grand, but getting into VC material, can't see 'em being great at all. Pro Controller all the way for that stuff for me.

That's pretty niche in fairness, I know you're a retro guy but most people won't be that put off by the D Pads enough to spend €80 on a new controller

DARK-KNIGHT

Digital Solitude wrote: »

490 launch if you want that stuff, no one will need the SD card at launch, the joy con charger is optional, as is the pro controller. The launch price is about €400 for the console and a game, which is by no means expensive as far as launch consoles go.

The SD card I'll concede is a definite cost that shouldn't be there but adding €110 for the controller's is nonsense, that's like saying an XOne is too pricy because you're adding the price of the Elite Controller into it

console 330
game 70
sd card 60

so 460 minimum imo

the sd card is absolutely necessary at launch...

dunworth1

sligeach wrote: »

That's your opinion. There's no point in saying well such and such were higher at launch. That's not how the average consumer will look at it. What's relevant is what's the price of the competition now? Nintendo have to compete against them. The Switch is a "console" that is more expensive, weaker, has less multimedia features, lacks a traditional controller, way lower storage, terrible online in comparison, etc, etc. I speak as someone who is a Nintendo only gamer and have never bought a Sony/Microsoft console. Yes Nintendo have their strengths but that didn't save the Wii U. They did so much wrong there and gave up really easily. I see more mistakes with the Switch. Nintendo can't abandon this though like they did with the Wii U and fall back on the 3DS. I don't know where they go from here if it fails. I'm about 50/50 on whether it'll do well long term.

and that's your opinion

why must Nintendo copy what MS/sony do? just because its a "weaker"
console doesn't mean that its not good
the Xbox is weaker than my gaming PC but it may surprise you but I play mostly on my Xbox

people are clearly willing to pay as the preorder allocations are pretty much gone around the world so that'll be almost 2 million units around

any new product has a 50/50 Chance

Corholio

sligeach wrote: »

That's your opinion. There's no point in saying well such and such were higher at launch. That's not how the average consumer will look at it. What's relevant is what's the price of the competition now? Nintendo have to compete against them. The Switch is a "console" that is more expensive, weaker, has less multimedia features, lacks a traditional controller, way lower storage, terrible online in comparison, etc, etc. I speak as someone who is a Nintendo only gamer and have never bought a Sony/Microsoft console. Yes Nintendo have their strengths but that didn't save the Wii U. They did so much wrong there and gave up really easily. I see more mistakes with the Switch. Nintendo can't abandon this though like they did with the Wii U and fall back on the 3DS. I don't know where they go from here if it fails. I'm about 50/50 on whether it'll do well long term.

That's pretty fair enough actually, but the average consumer will look at the differential in choice it has regarding the console. The portability of the Switch is a big selling point for the console, not for all but for a considerable number I would imagine. For me, I don't know why people would buy an Xbox One now with the PS4 having all the games it has practically and Microsoft having a barren enough upcoming exclusive titles. Of course Nintendo are competing against these other companies but not in the same way as Microsoft is to Sony. It's a different choice for the consumer, with a different concept, not having as low a price as the immediate competition can't always be judged properly therefore imo.

Digital Solitude

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

console 330
game 70
sd card 60

so 460 minimum imo

the sd card is absolutely necessary at launch...

Games That Fit On a Nintendo Switch
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild 13.4 GB
Disgaea 5 Complete 5.9 GB
Puyo Puyo Tetris 1.09 GB
I’m Setsuna 1.40GB
Nobunaga’s Ambition: Creation with Power Up Kit 5GB
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe 7GB
Snipperclips 1.60GB

Unless you're buying all the games digitally, not really

DARK-KNIGHT

Digital Solitude wrote: »

Unless you're buying all the games digitally, not really

its necessary

sugar coat the price all you want im looking at this from a realistic point of view.

That_Guy

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

its necessary

sugar coat the price all you want im looking at this from a realistic point of view.

It's only necessary if you're going fully digital with the console. I imagine that casual gamers will delete titles once they're finished with them to add another one in its place and redownload other games at a later date if needs be.

I've had to do this with my PS4 on multiple occasions.

It's a nuisance but this is the option a lot of people will take in my opinion.

Corholio

Photos of a Switch being taken apart have been put online. I haven't much technical know how on chips etc so only going what people are saying about it on other sites. The battery seems as big as they could have put in though.

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4988497063?red_tag=1794578248

ERG89

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

its necessary

sugar coat the price all you want im looking at this from a realistic point of view.

Eventually I'll buy an SD Card but its not a necessity launch. All I'm buying is Zelda(like many are) & maybe a eShop title if something is announced before then. It does suck that there is still a lot of questions about the system & 32 GB isn't enough storage in 2017 like it wasn't in 2007.

CastorTroy

I think my main method of control will be the Joy Cons without the grip. The Wiimote and Nunchuck were comfortable being able to relax and hold them apart

Digital Solitude

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

its necessary

sugar coat the price all you want im looking at this from a realistic point of view.

And the proof is...?

Anyone using physical carts probably won't need one for several months

Digital Solitude

CastorTroy wrote: »

I think my main method of control will be the Joy Cons without the grip. The Wiimote and Nunchuck were comfortable being able to relax and hold them apart

Me too, I found Wiimote and nunchuck comfortable for hand positioning, I look forward to doing so again.

sligeach

Digital Solitude wrote: »

Unless you're buying all the games digitally, not really

You left out the last line from the story.


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102666837&postcount=6881


"While there are more games announced out there, sadly the download sizes aren’t yet known."

And again, people saying you probably won't need it day one, well that's most likely true but you will need one and there's no real avoiding that extra expense. I bought all my games physically where possible on Wii U and still have used up well over 120GB(at the last time of checking) on my HDD. Switch will need more space. Then there's the remaining 25.9 GB on Switch, you know there'll be a day 1 download, there's a patch needed for using larger Micro SD cards, a browser hopefully eventually, the online app and more besides.


If you want to play games likes Street Fighter properly and other 2D games then you'll need the Pro controller.

MilesMorales1

In what way is the SD card necessary at launch, for 60? I'm not buying one at launch.

dunworth1

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

In what way is the SD card necessary at launch, for 60? I'm not buying one at launch.

none you could easily buy a card for 20

or just delete the game after your finished with it
same as many people do with iphones etc

Tipsy McSwagger

Lads don't forget the price of a new 65" TV to hook the Switch up to, fcuk Nintendo.

mayordenis

Inviere wrote: »

No, true hybrid in that it can be both a fully functioning home console, as well as a portable handheld device. As it stands, if they don't go ahead with allowing external storage to be used, they're essentially prioritizing the handheld aspect over the home console aspect. There's absolutely nothing wrong with allowing users to manage how the internal memory is used, and using external storage as a larger pool to store games for home use.

I suppose it depends on how you define 'sense'. For me, disallowing external storage and forcing everyone to buy more expensive yet smaller internal memory just for the sake of portability, isn't sense at all. Not everyone will use the Switch for portability reasons, and as I said above, what's wrong with giving people the choice of what to have installed internally as well as externally...y'know, like every other console has done in the last ten years?

Not every console for the last 10 years has allowed external storage, xbox 360 didn't, PS3 didn't, PS4 literally patched it in in the last few weeks, I don't have an Xbox One but it does work right? and obviously Wii U allowed it from the get go.

It would be essentially impossible to max out the onboard storage at launch, and likely months before anyone could fill internal plus a 128Gb card. Now having storage somehow attached to the dock could have been a goer, but it very clearly muddies the water, you are now saying when it's docked access your game library, when it's out and about you don't or you do but in a really really limited way.

I like the idea of having external HDD support, if they brought in some manner of reasonable content management allowing games to be quickly swapped from external to internal/SD that would be great. I'm not buying and SD card for the moment I'll pick one up in a bit or in a sale, anyone who is also trying to say you need 128gb right now is a maniac, nice to have, unnecessary.

sligeach

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

In what way is the SD card necessary at launch, for 60? I'm not buying one at launch.

Fairly sure that if you buy Zelda and Just Dance 2017 digitally that there's only enough room for one or the other.

Inviere

mayordenis wrote: »

Not every console for the last 10 years has allowed external storage, xbox 360 didn't, PS3 didn't, PS4 literally patched it in in the last few weeks, I don't have an Xbox One but it does work right? and obviously Wii U allowed it from the get go.

360 had upgradable storage from inception, and not too long later, the ability to install externally.
PS3 you could upgrade the internal hdd with whatever size you wanted, ditto the PS4. Sony were very late to the party with the PS4 external drive support, but again, it's not as big an issue when you can throw a 2TB hdd in the console regardless. The Xbox One supports it, & it works very well. That said, none of these are portable systems, so it's not entirely comparable...but they are home consoles, something the Switch purports to be in tandem with a handheld. Clearly compromise is necessary, and for me, the most logical balance is to enable hdd support, and simply give the user control over how they use the memory themselves.

One of the big attractions towards hacking a console is to allow greater flexibility with memory, so I feel Nintendo are taking a gamble by being a bit sticky with this. If they don't enable it, it'll make a very tempting target for someone to put their diabolical skills to use & hack the machine, & we seen how that affected the DS.

I like the idea of having external HDD support, if they brought in some manner of reasonable content management allowing games to be quickly swapped from external to internal/SD that would be great. I'm not buying and SD card for the moment I'll pick one up in a bit or in a sale, anyone who is also trying to say you need 128gb right now is a maniac, nice to have, unnecessary.

Exactly, implement a content management system. That way, both types of users can enjoy the system to its full potential.

Digital Solitude

sligeach wrote: »

You left out the last line from the story.


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102666837&postcount=6881


"While there are more games announced out there, sadly the download sizes aren’t yet known."

And again, people saying you probably won't need it day one, well that's most likely true but you will need one and there's no real avoiding that extra expense. I bought all my games physically where possible on Wii U and still have used up well over 120GB(at the last time of checking) on my HDD. Switch will need more space. Then there's the remaining 25.9 GB on Switch, you know there'll be a day 1 download, there's a patch needed for using larger Micro SD cards, a browser hopefully eventually, the online app and more besides.


If you want to play games likes Street Fighter properly and other 2D games then you'll need the Pro controller.

I wasn't trying to pass that off as a comprehensive list of digital Switch games, you've got 2 of the what, 10 launch games? I don't know all the other launch titles but most look like they should be under 2gb, giving almost 9gb for the rest. Plus, who's going to play anything but Mario Kart and BOTW.

You may need one, it is avoidable but not worth the effort to most I'd assume. Like the controller point, most people add larger HDDs to their Xbox and PS4, is that taken into account when buying the console, or is it taken into account when you need one.

I'm not saying we won't need SD cards, 95% of us will but it's being blown out of proportion here. Despite being a pain in the hole buying additional storage, almost everyone who wants to play video games will need to.

Jesus I recall someone telling me 1.2tb wouldn't be enough in a PC, I'm not having a dig at anyone, I don't think anyone here has any crazy opinions but you really, really, can't please everyone.

mayordenis

Inviere wrote: »

360 had upgradable storage from inception, and not too long later, the ability to install externally.
PS3 you could upgrade the internal hdd with whatever size you wanted, ditto the PS4. Sony were very late to the party with the PS4 external drive support, but again, it's not as big an issue when you can throw a 2TB hdd in the console regardless. The Xbox One supports it, & it works very well. That said, none of these are portable systems, so it's not entirely comparable...but they are home consoles, something the Switch purports to be in tandem with a handheld. Clearly compromise is necessary, and for me, the most logical balance is to enable hdd support, and simply give the user control over how they use the memory themselves.

Kinda moving the goalposts here. We weren't talking about expandable storage we were talking about external storage. SD cards are expanadable storage so if that's what you want at launch it has that.

Xbox 360 had those terrible low capacity swappable internal hard drives at insane prices. With PS3 you could swap the internal HDD yes, but you couldn't use an external drive for games. PS4 as discussed could have a 2TB internal drive which again would cost you a decent chunk of change, and has only now allowed external drives. Xbox one and Wii U are the only consoles that allow relatively complete freedom but I think you hit the nail on the head we're not comparing like with like, it's both a home console and one I can play on a flight, concessions here and there have to be made, if you believe not having external HDD support from day 1 is a step too far then fair enough, but I genuinely can't see the logic.

druss

sligeach wrote: »

I asked a week or two ago if anybody read The Stone Soup as a kid. It reminds me of the Switch a bit.

The "moral" of the Stone Soup backs up Nintendo though! The hidden costs are justified and beneficial, but people won't see that if you tell them up front

If you included the SD card and game and a pro controller in a pack and bumped up the price to over €500, end result = outrage. Sell them the "stone switch" and people will add in the other bits themselves over time and as they see the benefit.

Nintendo stuff is generally pretty optimised, but it will be interesting to see what size Skyrim, NBA2k17, FIFA etc clock in at.

LilRedDorcha

I decided that all I needed at launch was the console itself, Zelda. I'd hoped it would cost 350 for this but this is going to cost me 400 now. I'm totally ok with this price, since I think this is all I need right now. I'll buy an SD card when I need it, since I don't think I'll need it at launch.

I don't think it's fair to say that the charging grip or pro controller are necessary without actually trying out what comes with it first, but I understand why other people want to go for them. Like others, I was perfectly happy with how the wii motes worked so I'm willing to test out the joy cons before deciding that I need a more traditional style controller.

I decided to get a carry case too, but I'm not going to give out about nintendo charging more for that since I decided that I wanted it Overall I think it's an ok price for things. I think they did skimp on the memory a bit so I'll have to wait and see how much of an issue that is, but I'm still really excited about the console because it is actually new and different.

MilesMorales1

Price is fine. Its funny how people say there's no games at launch, yet also say they need a memory card that costs way over the price to have these apparently non existent games on.

CiDeRmAn

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

console 330
game 70
sd card 60

so 460 minimum imo

the sd card is absolutely necessary at launch...

I don't think a massive memory card is going to be a must have at launch at all.
And you'll only pay €70 for the game if you don't shop around.

I think people are blowing this way out of proportion.

A Switch for €330 and BotW for €65 is all people need to get started.
The 32GB is going to be fine for the early eShop purchases, and supplemented with a cheap 64GB card if you must early on.
You can swap it out for a bigger one later and the Pro controller, nothing to use it as yet so why make it day one?
Better, just have a list of things to buy in the first 6 months and put that on it.
A bit of perspective I think.

Also, keep in mind the money spent on previous devices, as I've said before, early adopting is an expensive business. The Switch is no more expensive than they were, and adding on storage is no news either, when you've bought a launch 360 or PS3 and had to quickly buy a new HDD .
We still don't know how the system is going to be at launch in terms of storage or how it's going to evolve.
Perhaps we could give it the benefit of the doubt before condemnation.

CiDeRmAn

druss wrote: »

The "moral" of the Stone Soup backs up Nintendo though! The hidden costs are justified and beneficial, but people won't see that if you tell them up front

If you included the SD card and game and a pro controller in a pack and bumped up the price to over €500, end result = outrage. Sell them the "stone switch" and people will add in the other bits themselves over time and as they see the benefit.

Nintendo stuff is generally pretty optimised, but it will be interesting to see what size Skyrim, NBA2k17, FIFA etc clock in at.

^This^

Exactly the point.
No one is going to give storage away for free, it just loads the system with costs the end user pays for.

Keep in mind the XB1 and PS4 both expect a purchase from the user to have a second controller, the Switch comes with that functionality built in.

The lack of charging while playing from the console as standard is no different than both 360 and XB1, and the PS4 only comes with a short USB cable so good luck making that work during gameplay.

And, again, I don't think the system is going to big on installs given the physical nature of the medium, each game comes on its own solid state, read only drive, so installs should be small. The proof of the pudding for physical carts will be the likes of the BotW dlc install size.