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Bloggers mentioning/promoting products

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  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 7,441 Mod ✭✭✭✭XxMCRxBabyxX


    Puggly wrote: »
    What other thread?

    Topics Bloggers Should Avoid


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭Cria


    idunno78 wrote: »
    Maybe put that stuff in the other thread just to keep this on topic!!

    Is there another thread ??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭idunno78


    It's the one below/above this just about topics they discuss!! It's so easy to go of the whole promoting thing I know I do it to and have to delete what I've said!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭mad about nuts


    Fairy is back with a bang this evening.....l9ads of snaps about shampoos,skincare and healthfood stuff.....with no mention of them being purchased or otherwise.just said she would give a review when she tried them out........i have never seen her give a negative review on something she was sent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭Puggly


    LizT wrote: »
    That's an interesting point about selling on items you got for free...

    I know there was an article here a while back about bloggers having to pay tax on free items they're sent possibly being introduced soon. I don't think bloggers should have to pay taxes on items sent because they're BIK because they obviously can't control what they get sent. But if someone is asking to be sent free stuff, uses it and then sells it on for it's retail value or close to it, that has to be a bit dodgy?

    I've never really heard of bloggers selling on free samples, I presumed most of them just did giveaways or gave the stuff to friends and family.

    Paying tax on free gifts isn't a new thing, it's been around for years. Rosie con sold her Freddie jeans on depop that were sent to her for free along with a few other press samples.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭Cria


    Puggly wrote: »
    Paying tax on free gifts isn't a new thing, it's been around for years. Rosie con sold her Freddie jeans on depop that were sent to her for free along with a few other press samples.[/quote
    Did she really ....and she didn't Even give them
    Away to her faithful followers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭Puggly


    Cria wrote: »
    Puggly wrote: »
    Paying tax on free gifts isn't a new thing, it's been around for years. Rosie con sold her Freddie jeans on depop that were sent to her for free along with a few other press samples.[/quote
    Did she really ....and she didn't Even give them
    Away to her faithful followers.

    She was selling the jeans for 90€. She received them for nothing. Promoted them on snapchat and just puts them on depop. Has she received any freddies lately?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭Cria


    Puggly wrote: »
    Cria wrote: »

    She was selling the jeans for 90€. She received them for nothing. Promoted them on snapchat and just puts them on depop. Has she received any freddies lately?

    IMO that's pure greed it's not a huge company send back what you don't want and allow the company to make the money on them.
    I haven't seen her promoting them since her or jj.
    Do the followers not notice this big speech about products like these jeans never to be spoken about again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭mad about nuts


    Cria wrote: »
    Puggly wrote: »

    IMO that's pure greed it's not a huge company send back what you don't want and allow the company to make the money on them.
    I haven't seen her promoting them since her or jj.
    Do the followers not notice this big speech about products like these jeans never to be spoken about again.

    Exactly.......donate to a cause,raffle them off for charity or just send them back.Not sell them and pocket the money.
    Maybe companies should forward on their mailing lists to the asai/revenue so that they can follow up on whose declaring gifts and also following proper advertising guidelines.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭Cria


    Cria wrote: »

    Exactly.......donate to a cause,raffle them off for charity or just send them back.Not sell them and pocket the money.
    Maybe companies should forward on their mailing lists to the asai/revenue so that they can follow up on whose declaring gifts and also following proper advertising guidelines.

    Yes plenty of charities would love the donation with all her followers she would raise a fortune if she raffled them.
    Can't believe she didn't send them back why should the company be left short for her greed.
    She never # her snaps about them jeans if she sold them that's technically an ad.
    Didn't think she was like that at all.
    Freddy jeans really should contact the revenue.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 709 ✭✭✭frogstar


    I think they can do whatever they like with products given to them.

    Disclosing something is an ad is one thing. Same as disclosing to revenue. Of course bloggers should abide by guidelines / laws for declaring revenue

    If they want to sell them on, that really is their choice. It's not up to anyone to tell them that they should or not sell them on. If the company gifts something whether ad or not they really cannot stipulated that the person must keep said product

    Do people think that for ads you see on TV, that the person advertising always uses product? I don't and an ad is just that, an advertisement of product. It doesn't mean the person advertising has to use the product


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    It's just bad form really. I imagine it would leave a bad taste in the mouth of those who gave her the jeans, (if I remember correctly there were like over €1000 worth of jeans given to her) only for her to wear them once and sell them on to line her pockets. But I suppose really it's more fool Freddy jeans for sending her those jeans in the first place. There's just something really off about someone receiving something for free, and then selling it on to their followers to make money. I'd rather the did a giveaway/gave to charity/gave to family/ sent them back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 709 ✭✭✭frogstar


    Exactly Anna, more fool Freddy (which look awful in anyway)

    But the reason they use bloggers is because it's cheap advertising and gets an instant reach to their target market. The cost of adversity is insane so this form is beneficial for both blogger and company.

    Anything that is shown by bloggers or in media should be treated as an ad by viewers whether disclosed or not.... Well thats my take on it in anyway. Buyer beware and the buyer should make their own informed opinion


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭Lindy97


    frogstar wrote: »
    I think they can do whatever they like with products given to them.

    Disclosing something is an ad is one thing. Same as disclosing to revenue. Of course bloggers should abide by guidelines / laws for declaring revenue

    If they want to sell them on, that really is their choice. It's not up to anyone to tell them that they should or not sell them on. If the company gifts something whether ad or not they really cannot stipulated that the person must keep said product

    Do people think that for ads you see on TV, that the person advertising always uses product? I don't and an ad is just that, an advertisement of product. It doesn't mean the person advertising has to use the product

    I dont care if they get everything for free or sell it on. I just want them to be honest about it being a freebie or ad. Like you said, theyre advertising something. Ads on the tv are clearly ads. A lot of these snapchat people rarely #ad


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭Cria


    anna080 wrote: »
    It's just bad form really. I imagine it would leave a bad taste in the mouth of those who gave her the jeans, (if I remember correctly there were like over €1000 worth of jeans given to her) only for her to wear them once and sell them on to line her pockets. But I suppose really it's more fool Freddy jeans for sending her those jeans in the first place. There's just something really off about someone receiving something for free, and then selling it on to their followers to make money. I'd rather the did a giveaway/gave to charity/gave to family/ sent them back.

    It is off to do that she's the one that expressed interest in Freddys jeans before they sent her that large amount..

    So imo she courted them for her own gain and as her followers trust her to see her highly recommend a product that she goes on to sell to make a profit ruins her credibility and honesty to me.

    Some people may say she can do what she likes with them but if she wants to continue keeping her followers support she needs to show less greed and more honesty.
    I'd have had huge respect for her if she said there's too much here for me so I'll be returning the ones I don't want or I'll do a giveaway or a raffle.

    One thing I've noticed from top bloggers twitter and Instagram they have a huge following but very little interaction even less so when they promote. It's baby pics that get the most likes do companies not notice this .. like jj put a tweet up yesterday abd had 38 likes doesn't she have 6000 followers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭westernlass


    PR companies know the bloggers who have strong interaction.  You don't see big brands working with people who don't have huge engagement rates.  That said most of what we see promoting on the likes of FBG or JJ snapchat are actually small businesses who may not have the skills to recognise engagement rates.  They just see follower numbers. 

    They are some bloggers with smaller numbers who have been better engagement rates and are working with bigger brands for this year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭Cria


    PR companies know the bloggers who have strong interaction.  You don't see big brands working with people who don't have huge engagement rates.  That said most of what we see promoting on the likes of FBG or JJ snapchat are actually small businesses who may not have the skills to recognise engagement rates.  They just see follower numbers. 

    They are some bloggers with smaller numbers who have been better engagement rates and are working with bigger brands for this year.

    I've been noticing that smaller bloggers have better engagement rates they have more trust from their followers.. some bigger bloggers have 60k plus on Instagram and barely go past 3000 and that's mainly baby pics.
    The promoting barely gets near 1000 makes you wonder of half of the followers are bought


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭westernlass


    The promoting barely gets near 1000 makes you wonder of half of the followers are bought
    Cria wrote: »
    PR companies know the bloggers who have strong interaction.  You don't see big brands working with people who don't have huge engagement rates.  That said most of what we see promoting on the likes of FBG or JJ snapchat are actually small businesses who may not have the skills to recognise engagement rates.  They just see follower numbers. 

    They are some bloggers with smaller numbers who have been better engagement rates and are working with bigger brands for this year.

    I've been noticing that smaller bloggers have better engagement rates they have more trust from their followers.. some bigger bloggers have 60k plus on Instagram and barely go past 3000 and that's mainly baby pics.
    The promoting barely gets near 1000 makes you wonder of half of the followers are bought


    It might just be they don't know about digital marketing.  Like their images aren't that strong, they aren't keeping up with algorithm changes, they don't use hashtags.  I've noticed in Ireland a lot of bloggers 'fell' into big success by accident and not necessarily because they knew about digital marketing and quality content creation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 smashed potatoes


    The promoting barely gets near 1000 makes you wonder of half of the followers are bought



    It might just be they don't know about digital marketing.  Like their images aren't that strong, they aren't keeping up with algorithm changes, they don't use hashtags.  I've noticed in Ireland a lot of bloggers 'fell' into big success by accident and not necessarily because they knew about digital marketing and quality content creation.
    Completely agree with some Irish bloggers falling into success. I follow some UK based bloggers and when I look at their Instagram and blogs, they're on another level - each picture is perfection. They're also working youtube making quality videos that I happily watch. They're working with huge companies like Adidas and Lancome. It really makes me question how some of the Irish bloggers got to where they are today.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 6,485 Mod ✭✭✭✭silvervixen84


    You can check how many fake followers an Instagram account has (I checked mine and have three fake followers out of a whopping 119 followers :pac:) using http://www.followercheck.co/

    A few of the Irish bloggers/influencers I just checked (not going to say who) seem to have a massive percentage of their followers designated "fake" by this checker, which does raise suspicion as to whether they purchased the followers to boost the numbers and appear more impressive to brands. That would also explain the disproportionate engagement numbers.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 niamhv


    Puggly wrote: »
    JJ and the ring thing has me confused. I taught her partner was buying for her after she the baby. Like it's an ad by the company and if she's saying positive reviews shouldn't she have #ad whenever shes talking it. If it's benefit in kind then is it up to revenue? The whole thing is really confusing.

    I'm not sure and in no way a fan of JJ but I think ( before she blocked me) that she said her husband was getting her the ring but sure maybe she just said that, or maybe he just paid a small portion like another blogger who got her engagement ring like that. "He" paid a v small price and she designed the ring and then promoted it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭mad about nuts


    niamhv wrote: »
    I'm not sure and in no way a fan of JJ but I think ( before she blocked me) that she said her husband was getting her the ring but sure maybe she just said that, or maybe he just paid a small portion like another blogger who got her engagement ring like that. "He" paid a v small price and she designed the ring and then promoted it.

    I wouldn't trust a thing from that girl anymore...selfish and childish behaviour from her...thank god she blocked me as i would being upset had i seen the treatment of her child...
    Anyone think the snapchat content from big bloggers has changed in the last week?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 436 ✭✭Ray37


    I heard back from ASAI today re my complaint to them about Grace promoting that tea (and saying you can lose 5lbs per week, load of s***). They asked did I have a screenshot, but I said no, as it came from her mouth. I mentioned I'd seen a lot of people discussing this claim on social media too. And I mentioned that I contacted the tea brand themselves only to be told 'we don't discuss who we work with, as this is an internal matter'. I've named the company to ASAI, and asked them will this be followed up. Impressed to see they have contacted me (they also wrote to me, and I don't live in Ireland anymore but they still sent the letter over to me). I really hope more people will issue complaints like this. I'm not for a moment begrudging ANYONE making a living, it's the deceit and lies I can't stand, and false advertising. It's dishonest and wrong, and nobody should be doing that (if you did something like that in a normal job and made crazy claims, you can bet you wouldnt be working there much long)er. I think as potential consumers (not that Id buy the tea, but there are young girls out there who jump on anything mentioned by these bloggers) we have a responsibility to call out wrongdoing by there 'influceners' and brands, and maybe we can finally see a change :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭mad about nuts


    Ray37 wrote: »
    I heard back from ASAI today re my complaint to them about Grace promoting that tea (and saying you can lose 5lbs per week, load of s***). They asked did I have a screenshot, but I said no, as it came from her mouth. I mentioned I'd seen a lot of people discussing this claim on social media too. And I mentioned that I contacted the tea brand themselves only to be told 'we don't discuss who we work with, as this is an internal matter'. I've named the company to ASAI, and asked them will this be followed up. Impressed to see they have contacted me (they also wrote to me, and I don't live in Ireland anymore but they still sent the letter over to me). I really hope more people will issue complaints like this. I'm not for a moment begrudging ANYONE making a living, it's the deceit and lies I can't stand, and false advertising. It's dishonest and wrong, and nobody should be doing that (if you did something like that in a normal job and made crazy claims, you can bet you wouldnt be working there much long)er. I think as potential consumers (not that Id buy the tea, but there are young girls out there who jump on anything mentioned by these bloggers) we have a responsibility to call out wrongdoing by there 'influceners' and brands, and maybe we can finally see a change :)

    Fair play to you...it makes me think i should be assertive myself and instead of getting blocked by a snapchat account i just bring my issue straight to the attention of asai.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭ratmouse


    We all.need to do this guys .Any discrepancies we see or any time where we smell a rat in terms of following the regs, we should make a complaint.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 436 ✭✭Ray37


    Ray37 wrote: »
    I heard back from ASAI today re my complaint to them about Grace promoting that tea (and saying you can lose 5lbs per week, load of s***). They asked did I have a screenshot, but I said no, as it came from her mouth. I mentioned I'd seen a lot of people discussing this claim on social media too. And I mentioned that I contacted the tea brand themselves only to be told 'we don't discuss who we work with, as this is an internal matter'. I've named the company to ASAI, and asked them will this be followed up. Impressed to see they have contacted me (they also wrote to me, and I don't live in Ireland anymore but they still sent the letter over to me). I really hope more people will issue complaints like this. I'm not for a moment begrudging ANYONE making a living, it's the deceit and lies I can't stand, and false advertising. It's dishonest and wrong, and nobody should be doing that (if you did something like that in a normal job and made crazy claims, you can bet you wouldnt be working there much long)er. I think as potential consumers (not that Id buy the tea, but there are young girls out there who jump on anything mentioned by these bloggers) we have a responsibility to call out wrongdoing by there 'influceners' and brands, and maybe we can finally see a change :)

    Fair play to you...it makes me think i should be assertive myself and instead of getting blocked by a snapchat account i just bring my issue straight to the attention of asai.
    Yep, tbh I don't think the bloggers ever care what we have to say, unless it's adoring, gushing compliments. Anything they percieve as even the slightest bit critical just gets you blocked. I decided to go straight to the company as I felt I needed to have my say, but as you know from my post I was dismissed. I think we need more people to air their complaints directly to ASAI if we want to see a change in unethical behavior. It's extremely frustrating when you see products pushed in your face with blatant lies attached, and any company allowing it to happen needs to be held accountable. I feel a lot of them think they can get away with shady behaviour (from the influencers) as they are likely small companies, and don't have the kind of visibility to the public as larger ones, they feel they can fly under the radar of ASAI. If more people bring what is being done to their attention it can only be a positive IMO :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 Potatocup


    I reported Grace for the whole currys tv fiasco, got a letter back very fast, I was very impressed. We all need to report on the lack of #ad etc and hopefully things will improve for the better


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭Toastytoes


    Wellyd wrote: »
    I've just noticed that Sinead's curvy style has been hacked and I haven't been seeing her story for the last few days because she has a new snapchat handle. I have to say I'm not going to bother re-following her. When she first started out I loved her but then the plugging of workshops started and it really put me off and lately it's just a constant barrage of getting hair, nails, make up and facials in different salons. There is no way that a person could be paying for all of these treatments every single week. It's such a pity that it changed so much because I really loved her style and how she actually went shopping and bought clothes and stuff herself but now it's just package after package of freebies from companies with absolutely no sign of #ad

    I agree about Sinead. I do like her and follow her on Snapchat but for the last few months it is endless trips to random salons and spas. I just find that so boring. When she starts snapping from one of these places, I give it 3 snaps and if it goes on longer I close her snaps and give her account a miss until 24 hours after she posted them. I wouldn't mind tapping through a few snaps but sometimes it's 15 or 20 snaps or more. It's not just Sinead's Curvy Style either, there are others I take the same approach with but I find a lot of Sinead's content is of this nature. I really enjoy her fashion snaps tho so don't want to unfollow her yet. The beautiful truth is another one who can over do the salon snaps. Again I'll tap through a few but after that I'm done.

    Do people find that interesting? I just find it mind numbingly boring watching someone else having a treatment. Sinead O'B usually doesn't disclose she's get them for free either which is off putting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭westernlass


    I never really liked Sinead Curvy Style snaps.  Maybe I started watching too late but it was always trips to Beauty etc for me.

    I find Sinead from the Beautiful Truth has a good mix.  She always discloses which I really like.  I know the salon snaps aren't everyone's cup of tea but there are people who don't have the guts to ask therapists certain questions so it is useful for some.  I like that she talks about make up and gives honest reviews.  And I very much respect her sticking to her area and not taking parent products just because she had a baby.  Or wedding products when she was getting married.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭Toastytoes


    I never really liked Sinead Curvy Style snaps.  Maybe I started watching too late but it was always trips to Beauty etc for me.

    I find Sinead from the Beautiful Truth has a good mix.  She always discloses which I really like.  I know the salon snaps aren't everyone's cup of tea but there are people who don't have the guts to ask therapists certain questions so it is useful for some.  I like that she talks about make up and gives honest reviews.  And I very much respect her sticking to her area and not taking parent products just because she had a baby.  Or wedding products when she was getting married.

    Yeah I guess there are people who find that interesting, I find it even worse than gym or baby snaps.
    Sinead O'B is absolutely gas tho and seems like a nice girl.

    I generally like the beautiful truth too but tbh I found it a bit much to be asking for freebies for her sister's hen this week. I mean people get married all the time and pay for those kind of things themselves. No more than Joanne and the holiday clothes, it's just like they don't expect to have to pay for anything themselves these days at all. It just makes them look a bit entitled imo. Of course others may not feel like that, that's just my opinion.


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