Boundary Extension for City?

As I expected, Road-high will not support anything in Waterford that might be seen to elevate it above Kilkenny, even when Kilkenny does not have the facilities concerned. I am obsessing alright, with a clear matter of regional importance for all the cardiologists and GPs in the south east and all the county hurling teams but dismissed by R_h because it might imply a region based on Waterford.

If Halligan hadn't been so naive and kept his eye on the ball when negotiating with Fine Gael for his ministership , this conversation wouldn't be happening.

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

Gone a bit off topic here folks haven't we? One would assume that every sane person living within the catchment area would want sub-90 minute 24/7 interventionist cardiac care even if that meant the acute regional hospital in the neighbouring jurisdiction if unavailable in their local general surely??

One would..but with the anti-Waterford rhetoric being spouted by certain individuals here one would'nt be too sure!

Max Powers wrote: »

Pure bitterness and hatred is the reason, also lack of other intelligent reason to support their gaa tinged view.

Lol. YOU'RE the ones continually referencing Kilkenny, constantly talking about it- so as it's where I happen to live obviously I'm here to give my point of view. Just because it's the opposite to yours, doesn't mean it's bitterness (which you wreak of, you come across as unbelievably aggressive - Id hate to deal with you in real life, I'd say it must be next to impossible).
Waterford is not the centre of the universe, nor indeed the south east "region". Just because you don't want to hear that equals you going berserk- it's hilarious and also very telling.

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

Gone a bit off topic here folks haven't we? One would assume that every sane person living within the catchment area would want sub-90 minute 24/7 interventionist cardiac care even if that meant the acute regional hospital in the neighbouring jurisdiction if unavailable in their local general surely??

Not really. I'd prefer go to Dublin where all the very best hospitals and medics are. For the sake of 20 or 30 mins further it's sort of a no brainer....in a small country with good motorways, it make sense to concentrate specialist stuff in a few places i.e. Dublin

road_high wrote: »

Lol. YOU'RE the ones continually referencing Kilkenny, constantly talking about it- so as it's where I happen to live obviously I'm here to give my point of view. Just because it's the opposite to yours, doesn't mean it's bitterness (which you wreak of, you come across as unbelievably aggressive - Id hate to deal with you in real life, I'd say it must be next to impossible).
Waterford is not the centre of the universe, nor indeed the south east "region". Just because you don't want to hear that equals you going berserk- it's hilarious and also very telling.

Isn't it amazing that R-H is obsessed with trolling ,trawling the Waterford fora to denigrate and undermine positive ideas that surface related to how Waterford as the largest urban area in the south east might perform its regional role, just as it does for the acute medical provision of the south east region. It would be better for us all if R-H ceased and desisted, but freedom of speech prevents that.Anyway his obsession gives us all some light relief. Failure to indicate support for 24/7 interventional cardiology at UHW is begrudgery made visible. Kilkenny doesn't have it, so neither should Waterford?

azimuth17 wrote: »

As I expected, Road-high will not support anything in Waterford that might be seen to elevate it above Kilkenny, even when Kilkenny does not have the facilities concerned. I am obsessing alright, with a clear matter of regional importance for all the cardiologists and GPs in the south east and all the county hurling teams but dismissed by R_h because it might imply a region based on Waterford.

I just have a different POV as to how co Kilkenny should proceed from here. Should it wed itself to the slow growing, peripherally located Waterford or the burgeoning Mid East region and Dublin which is where the most people and economic activity is based.
I clearly pick the latter all day long. Waterford then can continue doing its own thing as it always has really.

azimuth17 wrote: »

Isn't it amazing that R-H is obsessed with trolling ,trawling the Waterford fora to denigrate and undermine positive ideas that surface related to how Waterford as the largest urban area in the south east might perform its regional role, just as it does for the acute medical provision of the south east region. It would be better for us all if R-H ceased and desisted, but freedom of speech prevents that.Anyway his obsession gives us all some light relief. Failure to indicate support for 24/7 interventional cardiology at UHW is begrudgery made visible. Kilkenny doesn't have it, so neither should Waterford?

Deflect deflect deflect because you can't bare another point of view you don't share. You should shut your account down if it bothers you that much. I'll say what I want to say. I don't care what you think of it.
Infantile comeback with the trolling. Think I seen you on the kk forum. I could call you a troll back but you're not that relevant

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

Road_high, you're a hoot, that last one made me smile. So as you (or you're Ma/Da)are lying in the back of the Ambulance passing Naas clutching your chest in pain as the permanent damage to your heart increases, you're thinking " I could be getting a stent in UHW now but arragh fcukit it's only another 20 minutes to the Mater/Vincents/James's...UP THE CATS!!!!!!" 😂

:D:D

Irishlad2014 wrote: »

Let the trolls big up KK and knock Waterford in the Kilkenny forum, they are adding nothing of value to the Boundary Expansion discussion here - they are just looking for reaction.

yes god damn people having a different opinion to yours!

robtri wrote: »

I for one am fully behind 24 hour cardiac care in the south east...

If we could get it in waterford it be excellent for the region.

but that has nothing to do with the boundary....

Would you support 24 hour care been moved to Kilkenny or Wexford? as it would be potentially better to get to for more of the South east 500,000 ?
The south east is Carlow, Kilkenny, Waterford, Wexford, Tipperary... not just waterford city and asking people in Carlow to travel to waterford is madness when Dublin is nearer.. surely KK is a better option for the REGION

I am afraid that you do not fully comprehend the 24/7 position Robtri nor indeed the disposition of services within the region. Everyone acknowledges that there will be people in Carlow, North Wexford and West Waterford who will leak out or seek out health care in other regions. There are no regional services in St Luke's Kilkenny (maybe a small piece of one?) , UHW is the regional acute hospital service provider for the 500,000 people in the region. This forum is about a boundary extension necessary to allow Waterford to develop in a more coherent manner for the betterment of the region. Road-high and others in KK (and its only KK) don't want that region, but they should not (IMHO) be here telling us why we can't support issues we believe will better things for us all. We have to listen to thunder I suppose.

azimuth17 wrote: »

I am afraid that you do not fully comprehend the 24/7 position Robtri nor indeed the disposition of services within the region. Everyone acknowledges that there will be people in Carlow, North Wexford and West Waterford who will leak out or seek out health care in other regions. There are no regional services in St Luke's Kilkenny (maybe a small piece of one?) , UHW is the regional acute hospital service provider for the 500,000 people in the region. This forum is about a boundary extension necessary to allow Waterford to develop in a more coherent manner for the betterment of the region. Road-high and others in KK (and its only KK) don't want that region, but they should not (IMHO) be here telling us why we can't support issues we believe will better things for us all. We have to listen to thunder I suppose.

emmmmm u brought up 24 hour care here.... u raised it...
so you dont support it being anywhere else than Waterford..

i agree its about whats best for the region and the people..

Part of it has to listen to the 19,000 people who said no change
whether you agree with them or not they have as much right to be heard as the 35 in favour...

the region needs a strong capital and it is logically Waterford.but bulldozing over people ignoring peoples wishes is not the way to do it...

As said previously i dont see the need for the change... I believe like us Dubs that Waterford should work with its neighbors and develop the area in conjunction with KK....
Waterford needs it neighbors if it is too succeed.

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

Road_high, you're a hoot, that last one made me smile. So as you (or you're Ma/Da)are lying in the back of the Ambulance passing Naas clutching your chest in pain as the permanent damage to your heart increases, you're thinking " I could be getting a stent in UHW now but arragh fcukit it's only another 20 minutes to the Mater/Vincents/James's" 😂

But we are where we are...WUH is never going to offer the same level of care as St. James or the one in Cork, UCH. I accept that not every service can be in every region or small city. Perhaps you should too and spend more time improving linkages to those centres of excellence where outcomes are going to be better. It's why we stopped cancer treatment years ago in smaller hospitals and centred it on Dublin and Cork. It would be great if everything was as close as possible but in a small country, resources do have to be prioritised.

Do you really think the medical professionals and HSE are deliberately risking lives in the dramatic (for effect) manner you want to portray? And for the really critical cases an Air ambulance can't be arranged to transport them to Cork or Dublin? See, I just don't buy into the scaremongering, doomsday, dying- in-ambulances stuff you want me to.
I'm certainly not averse to the 24/7 Cath Lab at Waterford regional in any sense but I'm not coloured with blue/white rose tinted glasses on the issue- if the appropriate medical experts say its warranted I'll gladly agree with them.