The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

Dirty Dingus McGee · 12-02-2017 10:37PM

Shedite27 wrote: »

NFL CBA is having trouble even getting to keep players training in pads. No way they'd allow more football.

I doubt a few extra plays for the sake of a fairer system is going to be that controversial a proposal, I'm sure the players themselves would want a fairer system to decide important games.If its got to the stage that a few extra plays then the sport shouldn't be allowed to be played in the first place.

Whatever about leaving the rules as they are in the regular season for playoff games it needs to change.

OldMrBrennan83 · 12-02-2017 10:38PM

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Dirty Dingus McGee · 12-02-2017 10:44PM

Patww79 wrote: »

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I suspect that's because they don't want to appear like bad losers and all the flack they'll get for that.

Realt Dearg Sec · 12-02-2017 11:58PM

walshb wrote: »

I actually feel deflated after watching it.

We try to avoid the D word when complaining about a Patriots win, gives the wrong impression.

TOss Sweep · 13-02-2017 03:43AM

OT will never be fair no matter how you swing it. But I do hate the argument that oh the other team should get the chance. Such a cop out. As a coach in the game and someone involved here most coaches will tell you hey buckle up and get on with it. Your defense simply has to do its job if you don't get the ball first. Such a weak statement to say oh now their offense scored we should get a chance to score now also.

Football is made up of 3 teams, Offense, Defense and Special Teams. All 3 need to their job it is simple as that. If your defense is on the field first and folds and the other team marches downfield and wins the game, well that is on the coaching staff and the players on the field simply not doing a good enough job when the game is on the line.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 13-02-2017 09:05AM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

I suspect that's because they don't want to appear like bad losers and all the flack they'll get for that.

Well, they had the opportunity in the off-season to try and change the rules before the 1st game kicked off. Everyone knew this from the start.
By the way, these rules have been in place for a while, so why the indignation just now?

eagle eye · 13-02-2017 09:20AM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

I suspect that's because they don't want to appear like bad losers and all the flack they'll get for that.

There was no score in the first quarter. New England only scored a field goal in the first half.

Atlanta scored a td early in the third quarter, they didn't score for the rest of the game. Given how things went it's highly unlikely they would have scored against New England in overtime.

Beefy78 · 13-02-2017 09:51AM

walshb wrote: »

I know this...it's still a rotten system that decides the champion on a coin toss. Because that is how it's decided. You take possession because you won a coin toss, score a TD and you win. The other team should get their chance to reply.

A fair system then should be that if the coin toss winning team takes possession and does not score they lose..works both ways..

The 'fair' system you propose is actually as weighted towards the second team as the current system is to the first team. If the second team get a possession no matter what then the first team doesn't know if they should be punting, kicking a field goal or going all in for the TD. The second team has all the information, the first team has none.

I'm still sick that Atlanta lost but they had every chance to win that game in OT. They just had to stop the Patriots from scoring. It's an unfair system but so is every other system that has been proposed.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 13-02-2017 09:55AM

Salvatore Mysterious Tutti-frutti wrote: »

Well, they had the opportunity in the off-season to try and change the rules before the 1st game kicked off. Everyone knew this from the start.
By the way, these rules have been in place for a while, so why the indignation just now?

I've never liked them in the first place.I guess when it plays a role in deciding the biggest game of the year it brings more attention to the rule.

It probably would not have made any difference if the rule was different but we'll never know now.If Atlanta had won the coin toss they would have had a much better chance of winning the game though.

Just because everyone knows the rules doesn't mean they're perfect.Honestly I'm amazed teams have put up with such a rule particularly for the playoffs.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 13-02-2017 09:59AM

Beefy78 wrote: »

The 'fair' system you propose is actually as weighted towards the second team as the current system is to the first team. If the second team get a possession no matter what then the first team doesn't know if they should be punting, kicking a field goal or going all in for the TD. The second team has all the information, the first team has none.

I'm still sick that Atlanta lost but they had every chance to win that game in OT. They just had to stop the Patriots from scoring. It's an unfair system but so is every other system that has been proposed.

Use the college system expect maybe move the starting point back to the 50 and have no field goals allowed.Gives each team a fair chance.

If there is an interception returned for a touchdown game is over.

mcgratheoin · 13-02-2017 10:27AM

Beefy78 wrote: »

I'm still sick that Atlanta lost but they had every chance to win that game in OT. They just had to stop the Patriots from scoring. It's an unfair system but so is every other system that has been proposed.

Yep, college rules are just as reliant on the coin toss. Since the NFL changed the rules (TD needed for walk-off win) there have been 87 overtime games in the league. 45 have been won by the team who has the ball first, 5 ties and 37 won by the team who has to defend first. It's skewed towards the coin toss but not as badly as you'd think.
Those figures also don't show how many of the 45 wins came as first drive walk offs.

Overtime rules aren't fair

I heard a proposal from someone that the first team to score in regular time gets the ball in OT - interesting idea.

Beefy78 · 13-02-2017 11:34AM

I would keep the current system but have the team going first having to start from their own 10 yard line.

If you can't stop a team going 90 yards you don't deserve to win and if you can force an early punt in that situation then the team going second have great field position only needing a field goal.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 13-02-2017 11:44AM

eagle eye wrote: »

There was no score in the first quarter. New England only scored a field goal in the first half.

Atlanta scored a td early in the third quarter, they didn't score for the rest of the game. Given how things went it's highly unlikely they would have scored against New England in overtime.

Different ball game in overtime.

Considering Atlanta had scored 4 touchdowns in the game it's pretty hard to say it's highly unlikely they wouldnt have scored. It's far more likely that the best offence in the NFL would score in OT.

mcgratheoin · 13-02-2017 01:23PM

Beefy78 wrote: »

I would keep the current system but have the team going first having to start from their own 10 yard line.

If you can't stop a team going 90 yards you don't deserve to win and if you can force an early punt in that situation then the team going second have great field position only needing a field goal.

There's another proposal that the team that wins the toss picks the starting point and the other team then decides whether to take the ball from there or defend from there.

TOss Sweep · 13-02-2017 03:48PM

mcgratheoin wrote: »

Yep, college rules are just as reliant on the coin toss. Since the NFL changed the rules (TD needed for walk-off win) there have been 87 overtime games in the league. 45 have been won by the team who has the ball first, 5 ties and 37 won by the team who has to defend first. It's skewed towards the coin toss but not as badly as you'd think.
Those figures also don't show how many of the 45 wins came as first drive walk offs.

So it doesn't look as unfair as some will make out though either. Really depends on how you want to look at the numbers. I grabbed the paragraph you quote also:

Since the NFL instituted its new overtime rules, there have been 87 overtime games. Five have been ties, and the team to get the ball first has won 45 of the remaining 82. That’s 54.8 percent, meaning simply winning the coin toss makes a team 9.6 percent more likely to win.

The key to it is in bold there. So if you win the coin toss you are 9.6% more likely to win? Really? Not as bad as some are making out right?

Overtime rules aren't fair

Also lets look at the title to this article:

I agree with this title:

The NFL’s Overtime Rules Aren’t Fair — but Neither Are the Alternatives

There are no alternatives really. No matter what way you swing it someone will always disagree with Overtime. But for 9.6% chance of winning if you win the toss it is not as bad as people are making out. Why is this? Because some teams defenses actually do their jobs and stop the team who wins the toss.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 13-02-2017 03:52PM

TOss Sweep wrote: »

So it doesn't look as unfair as some will make out though either. Really depends on how you want to look at the numbers. I grabbed the paragraph you quote also:

The key to it is in bold there. So if you win the coin toss you are 9.6% more likely to win? Really? Not as bad as some are making out right?

Also lets look at the title to this article:

I agree with this title:

[/SIZE]There are no alternatives really. No matter what way you swing it someone will always disagree with Overtime. But for 9.6% chance of winning if you win the toss it is not as bad as people are making out. Why is this? Because some teams defenses actually do their jobs and stop the team who wins the toss.

Or just play a full quarter of football. That's fair.

TOss Sweep · 13-02-2017 03:54PM

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Or just play a full quarter of football. That's fair.

What happens when that full quarter ends in a tie?

JaMarcusHustle · 13-02-2017 03:55PM

TOss Sweep wrote: »

What happens when that full quarter ends in a tie?

Overtime! :pac:

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 13-02-2017 03:59PM

TOss Sweep wrote: »

What happens when that full quarter ends in a tie?

It's a tie in the regular season. In the Playoffs another quarter although we should call them sixths at that point.

cosatron · 13-02-2017 04:15PM

with regards to this particular game, it didn't matter who won the overtime toss as the patriots were going to win it anyways, by the end of regulation, they were completely on top in every aspect of the game. For what its worth, I like the overtime, as you have to be aggressive on both sides of the ball to ensure your side wins.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 13-02-2017 04:18PM

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

It's a tie in the regular season. In the Playoffs another quarter although we should call them sixths at that point.

I can see the reply..................and if it's a tie at the end of that quarter?
As illustrated, there's <10% bonus for winning the coin toss.
The game has to end at some point.

TOss Sweep · 13-02-2017 04:19PM

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

It's a tie in the regular season. In the Playoffs another quarter although we should call them sixths at that point.

So in the playoffs you keep playing until someones wins when the clock runs out? Game could go on forever.

Knex* · 13-02-2017 04:21PM

I think the overtime rules are grand.

Atlanta lost because Patriots dominated the time of possession and their defense was gassed by overtime, coupled with Brady and the Pats offense getting into rhythm.

Falcons had plenty of opportunity throughout the game to avoid that situation, and I find it hard to muster any sympathy for losing in overtime, tbh.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 13-02-2017 04:26PM

TOss Sweep wrote: »

So in the playoffs you keep playing until someones wins when the clock runs out? Game could go on forever.

Yeah. Its the playoffs, it wont go on for ever. If that was the case there would be more tie's in the regular season. Or at least more overtimes.

I have some sympathy for the Falcons losing the Superbowl like that. I think they at least deserve the chance to reply to the TD.

I mean the team with the ball first still has the advantage, score a TD then you just have to stop the other team scoring a TD.

TOss Sweep · 13-02-2017 04:33PM

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Yeah. Its the playoffs, it wont go on for ever. If that was the case there would be more tie's in the regular season. Or at least more overtimes.

But the chance of a tie is there and there is no way they are going to let it happen in a Playoff game or keep playing hoping that one team will eventually with it.

I have some sympathy for the Falcons losing the Superbowl like that. I think they at least deserve the chance to reply to the TD.

So their defense get a let off for not doing their jobs is what you are saying. Oh dont worry lads they scored but our offense has a shot also. I am sorry but this is BS the Defense should be doing their jobs and stopping them. No excuses really. You stop the team with the ball and then you get a chance to win the game. Such a cop out really.

I mean the team with the ball first still has the advantage, score a TD then you just have to stop the other team scoring a TD.

The only advantage they have is that they get to go first. Someone asked me yesterday would I have been happy with OT had Atlanta gotten the ball and won on the first drive in OT. My answer: : "As a fan of the Patriots no I would not because my team lost. But I don't dislike OT my answer would be Fook you Pats defense for not doing your jobs something you did so well to get to OT in the first place."

But anyways those are my feelings on it. Agree to disagree moments really.

cosatron · 13-02-2017 04:34PM

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Yeah. Its the playoffs, it wont go on for ever. If that was the case there would be more tie's in the regular season. Or at least more overtimes.

I have some sympathy for the Falcons losing the Superbowl like that. I think they at least deserve the chance to reply to the TD.

I mean the team with the ball first still has the advantage, score a TD then you just have to stop the other team scoring a TD.

ah come on, man, they had loads of opportunities on the second half to kill the game off and they sh*t the bed. I've no sympathy what's so ever for them,

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 13-02-2017 04:41PM

cosatron wrote: »

ah come on, man, they had loads of opportunities on the second half to kill the game off and they sh*t the bed. I've no sympathy what's so ever for them,

That's your opinion and your entitled to it. I disagree with you.

Put the Atlanta offence out there in OT and they probably drive the length of the field and win. Such is life, didn't happen.

Christy42 · 13-02-2017 04:47PM

TOss Sweep wrote: »

But the chance of a tie is there and there is no way they are going to let it happen in a Playoff game or keep playing hoping that one team will eventually with it.

So their defense get a let off for not doing their jobs is what you are saying. Oh dont worry lads they scored but our offense has a shot also. I am sorry but this is BS the Defense should be doing their jobs and stopping them. No excuses really. You stop the team with the ball and then you get a chance to win the game. Such a cop out really.

The only advantage they have is that they get to go first. Someone asked me yesterday would I have been happy with OT had Atlanta gotten the ball and won on the first drive in OT. My answer: : "As a fan of the Patriots no I would not because my team lost. But I don't dislike OT my answer would be Fook you Pats defense for not doing your jobs something you did so well to get to OT in the first place."

But anyways those are my feelings on it. Agree to disagree moments really.

I think OT is the best way they can have it but I disagree on the defense getting a let off. I mean surely the Pats defense got a let off there because they didn't even have to take to the field!

What about play starts from the 25 on every drive. You have to score one and then defend one to win (or defend one and then score if you don't start with the ball). No punts, no field goals, no pats. 4 down football for both sides. If you go 4 and out the ball still goes to the 25 yard line for the opposing offense to go 75 yards.

Not sure what to do with turnovers though. Having said that I am quite happy to leave as is. Just figured I would put in the suggestion.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 13-02-2017 04:48PM

TOss Sweep wrote: »

But the chance of a tie is there and there is no way they are going to let it happen in a Playoff game or keep playing hoping that one team will eventually with it.

So their defense get a let off for not doing their jobs is what you are saying. Oh dont worry lads they scored but our offense has a shot also. I am sorry but this is BS the Defense should be doing their jobs and stopping them. No excuses really. You stop the team with the ball and then you get a chance to win the game. Such a cop out really.

The only advantage they have is that they get to go first. Someone asked me yesterday would I have been happy with OT had Atlanta gotten the ball and won on the first drive in OT. My answer: : "As a fan of the Patriots no I would not because my team lost. But I don't dislike OT my answer would be Fook you Pats defense for not doing your jobs something you did so well to get to OT in the first place."

But anyways those are my feelings on it. Agree to disagree moments really.

I just think the OT rules should give both teams a possession. This has nothing to do with this Superbowl by the way. I've always felt it's unfair, ever since Tebow hoofed one down the sideline against the Steelers. I just feel like both teams should get a possession. Go to sudden death then if you want but the first possession I just think is unfair. Just my opinion.

Beefy78 · 13-02-2017 05:14PM

They should bring on soccer goals and have a penalty shoot-out. Everyone loves penalties.

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