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Irish TV - gone?

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    #122
    donegal.
    Registered Users Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭donegal.


    Thargor wrote: »
    Well then you estimate wrong or do you think all the movie and music channels, Challenge, even Sky News recently are giving up 99% of their audiences on non-freesat boxes every time they move?

    i'd say all those stations have given up at least 99% of irish tv's demographic .


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    #123
    afatbollix
    Registered Users Posts: 4,047 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    It will keep going for a few days anyway. Arqiva who do the play out for them have a view on these things that if we keep them on air they might get a backer and will pay them!

    Drove past the office in Westport last week and not a car in sight all the lights off and joked to the wife about getting a job there to go home and see the news reports.


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    #124
    mackersdublin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭mackersdublin


    Irish TV no longer BARB reporting

    http://www.overnights.tv/public/content/news.aspx


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    #125
    Kristopherus
    Registered Users Posts: 11,907 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    mackersdublin wrote: »
    Irish TV no longer BARB reporting

    http://www.overnights.tv/public/content/news.aspx

    Excuse my ignorance, but what is BARB?

    Down County Matters has just started on it. How old that episode is, I do not know.


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    #126
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    mackersdublin wrote: »
    Irish TV no longer BARB reporting

    http://www.overnights.tv/public/content/news.aspx

    last report was in nov

    1 IRELAND'S COUNTRY (2) (MON 2202) 3 3
    2 THE FOSTER & ALLEN SHOW (2) (MON 1959) * -1
    3 THE COUNTRY HOUR (1) (MON 2102) * -1
    4 DUBLIN COUNTY MATTERS (11) (MON 1759) * -1
    5 PLAY IT BY EAR (1) (MON 2302) * -1
    6 BALLYBRADDAN (1) (MON 1218) * -1
    7 ROSCOMMON COUNTY MATTERS (11) (MON 1829) * -1
    8 CLARE COUNTY MATTERS (11) (MON 1502) * -1
    9 KILKENNY COUNTY MATTERS (11) (MON 1532) * -1
    10 CAVAN COUNTY MATTERS (11) (MON 2403) * -1

    -1,000!


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    #127
    The Parish priest
    Closed Accounts Posts: 184 ✭✭The Parish priest


    So how long more will it be playing ?


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    #128
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Kristopherus wrote: »
    Excuse my ignorance, but what is BARB?

    Down County Matters has just started on it. How old that episode is, I do not know.

    Broadcasters Audience Research Board (UK's TV Audience Measurement Ireland(TAMI)) tv audience Research


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    #129
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users Posts: 8,292 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Saw one episode-Kerry county matters- that was over a year old. So they're running repeats over and over now.


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    #130
    feez
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭feez


    Antenna wrote: »
    A number of issues:

    (1) Irish Newspapers/guide not printing the schedules for Irish TV even though they print schedules for low viewership UK channels. Again anyone know why?
    Looking for payment?
    The type of target audience mainly rely on newspaper schedules (or perhaps RTE guide) to plan their TV viewing rather than online listings or EPG.

    (2) not on cable TV providers, a particular issue in Dublin, also meaning the channel not visible to perhaps possible national advertisers.
    Again were UPC looking for a large payment to carry the channel?

    (3) a number of occasions during its life when change of satellite transponder resulted in retuning being needed of FTA satellite boxes for this and a few other smaller satellite broadcasters. The Saorview approved/satellite Combo boxes with a mimic Freesat mode would not automatically retune either. Retuning these things is beyond the grasp of most elderly people, and would probably live without the channel if they lost it rather than pay an installer to visit (or had a family member who could retune for them). Only if BBC etc reception was lost might they get an installer out.

    I'm not saying the above issues regarding distribution were the only challenges to Irish TV, but they were certainly significant contributory issues. Regarding programming it didn't make sense trying to do a County Matters show for every single county (regardless of size/population). Some of the smaller neighbouring counties could easily have been grouped together (say Kilkenny and Carlow, as is the case with local radio)

    They didn't even update the schedule on their own website, therefore no newspaper/guide could publish them.
    At one point (well before they went downhill) I checked their schedule on the website and it was 2 weeks out of date...

    The retuning issue happens often with FTA services because the service/transponder allocations are determined by Sky and Arqiva etc.
    All they really care about are the Sky boxes and service changes are updated automatically on those. I've seen it happen many times with music channels disappearing, once an adult channel popped up where another channel used to be.


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    #131
    feez
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭feez


    afatbollix wrote: »
    It will keep going for a few days anyway. Arqiva who do the play out for them have a view on these things that if we keep them on air they might get a backer and will pay them!

    Drove past the office in Westport last week and not a car in sight all the lights off and joked to the wife about getting a job there to go home and see the news reports.

    Irish TV is done, and they are past the point of getting new investors. Arqiva will pull the plug when the contract expires. Nothing in this industry gets done for free.
    A TV channel like this needs expensive resources; a dedicated playout server, broadcast MPEG 2 encoder, management and scheduling system plus a technician to monitor it 24x7. And multiply that by 2 because there are backups of everything. All of which they could use for something else.

    Whether Arqiva is providing the web stream for them, I don't know. They could be receiving if off air and streaming it that way, same for Eir TV.

    It could keep going for days, weeks, months. Whatever they have paid up until.


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    #132
    JDxtra
    Registered Users Posts: 5,877 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    They must have paid some money owed to Blacknight for their website hosting as it's back online in recent days.


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    #133
    jrmb
    Registered Users Posts: 697 ✭✭✭jrmb


    JDxtra wrote: »
    They must have paid some money owed to Blacknight for their website hosting as it's back online in recent days.
    And it's interesting to see that the broadcast stream is running again


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    #134
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    jrmb wrote: »
    And it's interesting to see that the broadcast stream is running again

    Did it stop broadcasting?


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    #135
    jrmb
    Registered Users Posts: 697 ✭✭✭jrmb


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    Did it stop broadcasting?
    As far as I know it was playing out on Sky, but not being updated.


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    #136
    mackersdublin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭mackersdublin


    Kristopherus wrote: »
    Excuse my ignorance, but what is BARB?

    http://www.barb.co.uk/about-us/how-we-do-what-we-do/


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    #137
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    jrmb wrote: »
    As far as I know it was playing out on Sky, but not being updated.

    It has been broadcasting continuously as far as I am aware, which is why I asked if there was a break in the broadcasting.

    I dunno about Sky, but it is FTA, and I have not noticed a break. (not that I watch it very often)


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    #138
    JDxtra
    Registered Users Posts: 5,877 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    There was no web site (and hence no live stream) for a number of weeks. Playout on satellite continued.


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    #139
    h7nlrp2v0g5u48
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭h7nlrp2v0g5u48


    Still broadcasting on Sky channel 191.


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    #140
    Clonsk
    Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭Clonsk


    There must be hopes that a 'wind-up' of Irishtv may attract new investors to a new aligned TV company? Plenty of repeats of programming already recorded still showing on Sky platform! Silence from remaining directors! Will be more surprised if no attempt is made to launch in some format or guise!


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    #141
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,294 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Why? Who is watching?

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #142
    Clonsk
    Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭Clonsk


    Irishtv had a very 'niche' market. It's aims were to associate with a diaspora market. Needed more work and marketing to be a finished product. Yes, including more viewers. Cannot knock the idea though!


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    #143
    donegal.
    Registered Users Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭donegal.


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Why? Who is watching?

    I'd say a lot of over 60s in ireland were regular viewers.

    in fact irish tv was probably more popular , in ireland than boards.


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    #144
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    donegal. wrote: »
    I'd say a lot of over 60s in ireland were regular viewers.

    in fact irish tv was probably more popular , in ireland than boards.

    Aunt: At least they are trying something but perhaps they should think of something else

    Mam: reminds me of City channel particularly the ads

    Both over 60.


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    #145
    The Parish priest
    Closed Accounts Posts: 184 ✭✭The Parish priest


    donegal. wrote: »
    I'd say a lot of over 60s in ireland were regular viewers.

    in fact irish tv was probably more popular , in ireland than boards.

    Let's not get carried away


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    #146
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,294 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    donegal. wrote: »
    I'd say a lot of over 60s in ireland were regular viewers.

    I would wager the vast majority of over 60s in Ireland were entirely unaware of the existence of this channel.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #147
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users Posts: 8,292 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    I'm not even near 60, but I always got confused as to which channel it was-I used to skip past it because of some country channel, and that was only because of one show my mum likes.

    The rest of the time-God, I avoided it like the plague. Probably watched two programs in the entirety of the channels life, and one was just badly shot, with a camera where the white balance wasn't set properly.

    It all had this 'late 80s, early 90s vibe about it'-like the old kids shows where they went out and met the public, but viewed through a 2000's lense.


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    #148
    godfrey
    Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭godfrey


    Cara Embarrassed Pumpernickel wrote: »
    I wonder with irish tv now gone will this put pressure on the government or RTE to try and come up with some sort of solution to try and provide an international service for irish people living outside this country?

    RTE is not there to satisfy the needs of those living outside Ireland, and in fact has come under criticism for spending ANY money on it's online presence for years now from certain quarters. Sounds crazy, but it's a fact, and reasons given for this criticism were that the internet is only for people abroad. Just shows the lack of understanding some people and their departments have of how more and more people get their 'TV', right?

    g


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    #149
    Clonsk
    Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭Clonsk


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    I would wager the vast majority of over 60s in Ireland were entirely unaware of the existence of this channel.

    The biggest problem the IRISHTV channel seemed to have is simply the lack of ability to market the channel to any audience category. Most interest was generated by 'word of mouth' and local knowledge that their area would be featured. The saorview scenario did not help. Programmes were improving. However when looking for finance and dependant on one investor, you can understand the grief of Mr Griffin, when an event such as the Ploughing championship is a significant cost rather than bolstered by exhibitors advertisements. Would have wiser to advertise TV schdules on national newspapers or even local newspapers on a regular basis than visit Ploughing championship. Would have interested advertisers if channel was at least looking for market share.


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    #150
    Stasi 2.0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 295 ✭✭Stasi 2.0


    Bizzarely even though the channel is no longer broadcasting it still has an LCN on the Freesat EPG :confused:


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    #151
    liam7831
    Registered Users Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭liam7831


    Foster and Allens Christmas show was on a few days ago ...


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