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Leinster vs Munster buildup

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  • #252
    Mahatma Geansai
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    The team that scores the most points
    Won't be long before we see the same posters who derided Nagle a few years ago, calling for him to play for Ireland.

    He's been out of the professional game for 2 years, and he appears to be straight in as first choice lock for Leinster. Impressive going.


  • #253
    [Deleted User]
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    Munster
    No Kirchner, no Van De Flier, Nagle starting. Are we at the point where we can positively say "Lancullen curve ball".

    Definitely a surprising selection.


  • #254
    sullivlo
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    Mahatma Geansai wrote: »
    Won't be long before we see the same posters who derided Nagle a few years ago, calling for him to play for Ireland.

    He's been out of the professional game for 2 years, and he appears to be straight in as first choice lock for Leinster. Impressive going.

    It certainly won't have anything to do with him improving as a player.

    :rolleyes:


  • #255
    molloyjh
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    Delighted to see ROL get the start on the wing. Could have easily gone with Kirchner there. Centre partnership might be a bit of a weak spot for us until Robbie gets up to speed but it's a bloody exciting one. The back line get a thumbs up from me anyway.

    No VDF is a big call. But with Robbie only back I suppose a 6-2 split wasn't likely to happen so one of our stupidly good back rows was always going to be left out. Nagle is the bit of a surprise in the row. He was solid last week so there's a lot to build on there. It'll be interesting to see how he goes against his old teammates. Would be worried about our scrum though with Molony on the bench. Toner will play the 80 and will surely play at least some of that on the TH side when Molony comes on, but we'll still be vulnerable there in the last quarter. Wonder where that leaves Kearney in the overall pecking order. Selections over the next few weeks are going to be very interesting.


  • #256
    Clementine Clever Radium
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    Munster
    That isn't a first choice Leinster team really, given everyone who is fit. Interesting selection, not what I expected at all. Delighted to see O'Loughlin given a shot in such a big game, Leinster badly need some depth and quality in the back three.

    Henshaw, delighted obviously.


  • #257
    Podge_irl
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    Munster
    Mahatma Geansai wrote: »
    Won't be long before we see the same posters who derided Nagle a few years ago, calling for him to play for Ireland.

    He's been out of the professional game for 2 years, and he appears to be straight in as first choice lock for Leinster. Impressive going.

    No one derided him a few years ago because he never bloody played.


  • #258
    sydthebeat
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    nagle in to disrupt munster lineouts?? :)

    i dont think he showed that much against blues to demand inclusion over molony, but hey, love to see him give that "MOTM against Aussies" performance again


  • #259
    leakyboots
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    The team that scores the most points
    Surprised it's Killer over Cronin... delighted VdF ain't playing, think TOD will do well against Jordi. Conway must not be fit, pity, ROM is average enough in my eyes. There's a couple of players with fitness/injury worries on both sides - POM & Scannell... Henshaw & Kearney...

    So many mouthwatering clashes all over the park!


  • #260
    thomond2006
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    Mahatma Geansai wrote: »
    Won't be long before we see the same posters who derided Nagle a few years ago, calling for him to play for Ireland.

    He's been out of the professional game for 2 years, and he appears to be straight in as first choice lock for Leinster. Impressive going.

    Who derided him exactly? He was very talented but was behind all-time Irish greats at Munster and then couldn't stay fit.


  • #261
    molloyjh
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    Mahatma Geansai wrote: »
    Won't be long before we see the same posters who derided Nagle a few years ago, calling for him to play for Ireland.

    He's been out of the professional game for 2 years, and he appears to be straight in as first choice lock for Leinster. Impressive going.

    Anyone with an ounce of sense saw his potential but also realised he wasn't reaching it. If he can with Leinster then more power to him, it would completely vindicate his decision to take a break from the game.

    But let's not go getting ahead of ourselves here. If you want to consider this selection a definitive first choice 23 from Leinster fire away, but I'd say Josh would have something to say about that. I'd imagine we'll be seeing some rotation in a few positions over the next few weeks, both in the starting 15 and the match day 23.


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  • #262
    Albert Miniature Number
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    Munster
    Won't be long before we see the same posters who told us that Nagle should be starting for Ireland ahead of Toner a few years ago, deriding him for making such a positive career move.


  • #263
    former total
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    Kirchner has played every minute of the campaign so far so he needed a rest, and it's good to see O'Loughlin getting another run.

    Huge call to start Henshaw for his Leinster debut and his first game in five months...

    Is Tadhg Furlong now the first-choice tighthead?

    Fair play to Nagle if he's overtaken both Molony and Kearney; I think we'll miss McCarthy's aggression and work rate though, hope he gets back soon.

    No VDF in the 23 is a major surprise, I would guess he's injured?


  • #264
    thomond2006
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    Munster have a great chance here to win. A couple of factors...Henshaw's first match, an inexperienced player in ROL on the wing and VDF rested. The Aviva doesn't match the RDS for an intimidating atmosphere so the 'home' advantage isn't as big a factor.


  • #265
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    Munster
    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Munster have a great chance here to win. A couple of factors...Henshaw's first match, an inexperienced player in ROL on the wing and VDF rested. The Aviva doesn't match the RDS for an intimidating atmosphere so the 'home' advantage isn't as big a factor.

    Maybe, but I look at that game last week against Cardiff away with a weaker 23 than this and I do have to wonder.

    The home game against Ospreys again, we annihilated their forwards for 50 minutes.

    A lot of guys are about to get serious exposure to almost test level intensity on both sides which is great.


  • #266
    shootermacg
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    The team that scores the most points
    Munster with a two point lead at 60 minutes, bring on Keatly, Copeland, Archer and Cronin, Cronin / Copeland gives away a silly penalty and Keatly ensures that munster never make it out of their half for the remainder.

    For me, the subs could lose the game. They should have started Cronin, Killer is much more composed and has less chance of giving away a penalty in the final 20. Copeland also is a bit of a penalty machine at the ruck. Keatly can't close out a game either.


  • #267
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    Very excited about this now


  • #268
    leakyboots
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    The team that scores the most points
    shootermacg wrote: »
    Munster with a two point lead at 60 minutes, bring on Keatly, Copeland, Archer and Cronin, Cronin / Copeland gives away a silly penalty and Keatly ensures that munster never make it out of their half for the remainder.

    For me, the subs could lose the game. They should have started Cronin, Killer is much more composed and has less chance of giving away a penalty in the final 20. Copeland also is a bit of a penalty machine at the ruck. Keatly can't close out a game either.

    Composure is not something I associate with Killer, he strikes me as a bit of a lunatic! Cronin is prone to the odd brainfart, great scrummager though.

    I'd say Jack will be on before Robocope. Copeland reminds me of Spies, bit of a flat-track bully and good on hard ground with space in front him but afraid to do the dirty work.

    Keatley has landed us last minute dropgoals in the past to save us in big games... his form has been good this season to be fair but yeah, wouldn't put the house on him to bring us home!


  • #269
    former total
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    Munster
    With the exception of Chisholm/Kleyn in the second row, are Munster essentially at 100% strength?


  • #270
    Mahatma Geansai
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    The team that scores the most points
    former total wrote: »
    With the exception of Chisholm/Kleyn in the second row, are Munster essentially at 100% strength?

    Missing Saili/Arnold in the center too.


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  • #271
    case885
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    former total wrote:
    With the exception of Chisholm/Kleyn in the second row, are Munster essentially at 100% strength?


    Saili, Arnold, Conway would be involved if fit.


  • #272
    Anatidaephobia
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    former total wrote: »
    With the exception of Chisholm/Kleyn in the second row, are Munster essentially at 100% strength?

    There's Sailli and technically Sherry as well, but yeah this is as close to a full strength team as I've seen in years.


  • #273
    Anatidaephobia
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    case885 wrote: »
    Saili, Arnold, Conway would be involved if fit.

    I highly doubt Arnold would be starting ahead of Scannell.


  • #274
    molloyjh
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    Killer isn't a scrummaging prop to fear so the one weapon I saw Munster having is weakened with his selection. If you look at the units:

    Tight 5: Leinster surely win this one. In the loose they are undoubtedly better. Munster may have the edge in the scrum, but Killer does mitigate that. Leinsters line-out with Toner, Nagle, Ruddock, Murphy and Heaslip is better too.

    Back Row: Munster have the better unit here, but Leinsters is still pretty strong. And Heaslip always seems to raise his game for this one. And with POM just back from a long lay off will he be able to deliver as people might expect? He only got 20 mins last week against paper opposition. He'll be in for a real test of his match fitness tomorrow.

    Half-Backs: For me Leinster edge this. Murray > McGrath, Sexton > Bleyendaal but I think the difference between the two 9s is less than that between the two 10s.

    Centres: Robbie having his first game back probably pushes this in Munsters favour, but if he can hit the ground running this could be an area of real strength for Leinster. All he really needs to do is distribute well and create some space for Ringrose.

    Back Three: Can't help but feel a lot depends on how Rob fares here. ROL is probably better than ROM, but is still inexperienced. Isa is better overall than Sweetnam, but the Munster man has the kind of pace and step that Leinster are really lacking (and really hurt us in the Pro12 final). Zebo from FB can be very good if given a sniff, but I still think he's a winger playing FB. If Rob can deliver that we might edge this one.

    Bench: Leinster all the way here. Other than Casey is there anyone on Munsters bench who is better than their Leinster equivalent?

    EDIT: Probably also worth mentioning that Leinster are relatively battle hardened given their start to the season. Munster have had a far easier ride until now.


  • #275
    case885
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    molloyjh wrote:
    Bench: Leinster all the way here. Other than Casey is there anyone on Munsters bench who is better than their Leinster equivalent?


    Taute and JOD


  • #276
    molloyjh
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    case885 wrote: »
    Taute and JOD

    JOD over Leavy? Not for me anyway. Leavy has been outstanding this season.

    Haven't seen Taute so can't comment there, but he's only played the 1 game for Munster so can anyone?


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  • #277
    Mahatma Geansai
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    The team that scores the most points
    It'll be very interesting to see how the scrum goes. If Munster had Cronin starting, I wouldn't have much doubt that the Munster scrum would have the upper hand. Ryan and Scannell need to attack Cronin in the scrum as he is an obvious weakness there.


  • #278
    kingofthekong
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    Is Jordi Murphy bribing Leo or something? , how does he keep managing to get selected over both Leavy and VDF who are consistently out performing him??


  • #279
    dub_skav
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    kingofthekong wrote: »
    Is Jordi Murphy bribing Leo or something? , how does he keep managing to get selected over both Leavy and VDF who are consistently out performing him??

    To be fair it seems (to me anyway) to be a bit of a mixed selection.
    Young / new guys getting the experience of a big match for Leinster, match sharpness for some, new partnerships and rest for others.

    People are querying whether VdF is dropped and nagle in the row (admittedly one of those suggesting he is now 1st choice is only saying so to have a go), but I think if you look at no Zane plus Jack McGrath on the bench, there is no way this is a straight up first team.

    Will be very interesting to see how this selection does and then to see what the selection is for Europe.


  • #280
    shootermacg
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    The team that scores the most points
    Why are people saying munster in the scrum? They haven't played anyone worth comparing themselves to. Playing vs 3 internationals, stop this madness will ye. Killer is a terrible scrummager.


  • #281
    stephen_n
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    Munster
    Couple of big calls in the pack, I'm surprised at Nagle getting the nod, maybe less so at Healy starting. Is VDF injured, I missed that?


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  • #282
    stephen_n
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    Munster
    kingofthekong wrote: »
    Is Jordi Murphy bribing Leo or something? , how does he keep managing to get selected over both Leavy and VDF who are consistently out performing him??

    Have you not watched any matches this season, or is it a pre-existing bias?

    Jordi has been playing superbly this season.


  • #283
    awec
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    Fair play to Cullen for going with ROL on the wing.

    A brave but very welcome selection.


  • #284
    irishbucsfan
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    Munster
    stephen_n wrote: »
    Have you not watched any matches this season, or is it a pre-existing bias?

    Jordi has been playing superbly this season.

    Leavy and JvDF have both been superb this season as well. Murphy has only played about 2 and a half games worth of rugby though so it's a good chance to get some more miles on the clock before the European rugby starts.


  • #285
    stephen_n
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    Munster
    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Leavy and JvDF have both been superb this season as well. Murphy has only played about 2 and a half games worth of rugby though so it's a good chance to get some more miles on the clock before the European rugby starts.

    Yes they both have, but with all three playing well, the selections are marginal. Mind you I'm still surprised that VDF is omitted completely if he's not carrying a knock. All in all a great headache for Leo to have.


  • #286
    molloyjh
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    stephen_n wrote: »
    Yes they both have, but with all three playing well, the selections are marginal. Mind you I'm still surprised that VDF is omitted completely if he's not carrying a knock. All in all a great headache for Leo to have.

    I think there's some really good squad management at play here. Imagine just how pumped all our flankers are going to be to perform so that they can keep getting selected?


  • #287
    Clementine Clever Radium
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    Munster
    VdF has played some part in every game this season, including four starts. He was due a rest. Shame it's against Munster but there's other very good options and he'll be back for Europe.


  • #288
    sillysocks
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    Kind of feel like I'm crashing the rugby thread with this question but not sure where else to ask .... usually when I go to the Aviva I'd stroll out from town but will have two kids this time. Hoping to park at Pembroke hockey club tomorrow but haven't done that before-does anyone know if the car park there usually fills up or would there be spaces until close to kick off time?


  • #289
    thomond2006
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    sillysocks wrote: »
    Kind of feel like I'm crashing the rugby thread with this question but not sure where else to ask .... usually when I go to the Aviva I'd stroll out from town but will have two kids this time. Hoping to park at Pembroke hockey club tomorrow but haven't done that before-does anyone know if the car park there usually fills up or would there be spaces until close to kick off time?

    Probably best to call them and check: http://www.pembrokewanderers.ie/


  • #290
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    Munster
    sillysocks wrote: »
    Kind of feel like I'm crashing the rugby thread with this question but not sure where else to ask .... usually when I go to the Aviva I'd stroll out from town but will have two kids this time. Hoping to park at Pembroke hockey club tomorrow but haven't done that before-does anyone know if the car park there usually fills up or would there be spaces until close to kick off time?

    I'm also bringing young kids and the plan is to park somewhere near booterstown or Blackrock and get the train in.


  • #291
    vienne86
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    Munster
    Some surprising calls here by Leo - not our best team IMO, but obviously there is an eye to Europe the following two weeks.


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  • #292
    thomond2006
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    Charleigh Shapely Numskull wrote: »
    VdF has played some part in every game this season, including four starts. He was due a rest. Shame it's against Munster but there's other very good options and he'll be back for Europe.

    I wouldn't have played him in the opener against Treviso if it meant he could play tomorrow.


  • #293
    molloyjh
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    I wouldn't have played him in the opener against Treviso if it meant he could play tomorrow.

    We had to rotate someone out in fairness.


  • #294
    molloyjh
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    Match thread here.


  • #295
    Felix Jones is God
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Munster have a great chance here to win. A couple of factors...Henshaw's first match, an inexperienced player in ROL on the wing and VDF rested. The Aviva doesn't match the RDS for an intimidating atmosphere so the 'home' advantage isn't as big a factor.

    That and Munster are clearly the better side.



    ;)


  • #296
    awec
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    Matchday thread here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057656590


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