Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 Updated Mod Note Post 1

Deisegodeo · 25-09-2016 08:27PM

When are the quarter finals due to be played?

DLS V Mount Sion the standout fixture, should be a feisty affair. I'd fancy DLS to come through, along with Dungarvan and Ballygunner. Passage v Fourmilewater should be another good game, hard to call. I'd have a slight fancy for Passage but Fourmilewater have some real quality and if they concentrate on the hurling could go far.

I was at the Ballygunner v Passage game today. Good game of hurling considering both teams had qualified already. Ballygunner lined up without Philip and Paudie Mahony and Shane Walsh, and Barry Coughlan didnt re-appear after half time. These are big players for them and they will need them back if they want to win the county and beyond. Passage were missing Eoin Kelly as well.

Passage had the wind in the first half and led by 2 at the break. With the wind in the second half the Gunners eventually got on top and got the scores to run out 5 point winners, 1-20 to 1-15. They should have too much for Abbeyside in the quarter finals.

JesusRef · 25-09-2016 08:35PM

Hopefully we get into a position in waterford where we have a harty school in Lismore, Dungarvan, Waterford City and Tramore - it woukd be great to get a return from Tramore, hopefully with a lad on the 21s panrl it might help

cul beag · 25-09-2016 10:34PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

There's always a few shocks every year and dungarvan can be shaky

I watched Roanmore v Cappoquin today and it was awful stuff! The scoreline tells its own tale. Dungarvan I think will have too much for them. They're well organised I'll give them that but they don't seem to have the firepower to trouble the better teams left in it.
Cappoquin and Portlaw could go anyway in the relegation final as both are very poor and seem to lack strength on the bench.

Deisegodeo · 25-09-2016 11:19PM

JesusRef wrote: »

Hopefully we get into a position in waterford where we have a harty school in Lismore, Dungarvan, Waterford City and Tramore - it woukd be great to get a return from Tramore, hopefully with a lad on the 21s panrl it might help

Hard to see Tramore ever having a school at Harty standard, the Tramore club minor team were beaten in a Division 3 quarter final the other day. While its encouraging for them to have a lad on the U21 panel, a mediocre division 3 team at minor level is really poor for a town with the population they have.

PTH2009 · 25-09-2016 11:34PM

Fixtures

JJ Kavanagh & Sons Co. Senior Hurling Championship (Quarter-Finals)
Saturday 1st October 2016 @ 7:45pm in Fraher Field
Dungarvan v Roanmore

Sunday 2nd October 2016 @2:45pm in Walsh Park
De La Salle v Mount Sion

Sunday 2nd October 2016 in Fraher Field
Passage v Fourmilewater @5:30pm
Ballygunner v Abbeyside @7:15pm

JJ Kavanagh & Sons Co. Senior Hurling Championship (Relegation Play-Off)
Sunday 2nd October 2016 @1pm in Walsh Park
Portlaw v Cappoquin

JJ Kavanagh & Sons Co. Minor A Hurling Championship (Semi-Final)
Thursday 29th September 2016 @7:30pm
De La Salle v Clonea in Carrickbeg
Ballygunner v St. Carthages in Fraher Field

robopaddy2 · 26-09-2016 12:31AM

Deisegodeo wrote: »

Hard to see Tramore ever having a school at Harty standard, the Tramore club minor team were beaten in a Division 3 quarter final the other day. While its encouraging for them to have a lad on the U21 panel, a mediocre division 3 team at minor level is really poor for a town with the population they have.

There was an initiative started by WIT a few years back, (perhaps about 5 or 6 years ago) to improve hurling in the town of Tramore. It was a project started by the students in the Sports & Rec department and involved students interested in coaching going out to the primary and secondary schools doing coaching sessions. I don't know if it was success or if it even lasted very long. The one thing Ive always noticed is that Tramore almost always have representatives on the Tony Forristal and Sonny Walsh teams every year, but very rarely see any representatives at minor or u21 level. They also play in the city leagues with the city and south Kilkenny clubs at u8/u10 level etc but at some stage after that they seem to be dropping the ball. I know players leaving and going to city clubs is a problem. 2 of the current DLS seniors at the moment are Tramore men, and a Ballygunner lad who played county minor a few years ago is originally from Tramore aswell. Maybe there are family ties but really this shouldn't be happening. It's up to Tramore at the end of the day to put the effort in themselves and make young players want to stay and represent Tramore. I think if they are to expect funding and cooperation from the co board or wit or whoever they need to show more initiative to improve the game themselves. Maybe some of our Tramore comerades on here can shed more light

seananigans · 26-09-2016 03:34AM

robopaddy2 wrote: »

There was an initiative started by WIT a few years back, (perhaps about 5 or 6 years ago) to improve hurling in the town of Tramore. It was a project started by the students in the Sports & Rec department and involved students interested in coaching going out to the primary and secondary schools doing coaching sessions. I don't know if it was success or if it even lasted very long. The one thing Ive always noticed is that Tramore almost always have representatives on the Tony Forristal and Sonny Walsh teams every year, but very rarely see any representatives at minor or u21 level. They also play in the city leagues with the city and south Kilkenny clubs at u8/u10 level etc but at some stage after that they seem to be dropping the ball. I know players leaving and going to city clubs is a problem. 2 of the current DLS seniors at the moment are Tramore men, and a Ballygunner lad who played county minor a few years ago is originally from Tramore aswell. Maybe there are family ties but really this shouldn't be happening. It's up to Tramore at the end of the day to put the effort in themselves and make young players want to stay and represent Tramore. I think if they are to expect funding and cooperation from the co board or wit or whoever they need to show more initiative to improve the game themselves. Maybe some of our Tramore comerades on here can shed more light

When I was growing up ,the main reason was Tramore people find drink and women a lot earlier due to having summer jobs and girls coming in on holidays constantly,doubt it's changed much ,but still shocking mores not being done though

cul beag · 26-09-2016 07:23AM

seananigans wrote: »

When I was growing up ,the main reason was Tramore people find drink and women a lot earlier due to having summer jobs and girls coming in on holidays constantly,doubt it's changed much ,but still shocking mores not being done though

At least there was some use being made of the small balls!!

Cornerstoner · 26-09-2016 09:03AM

Any reports from the Junior and Intermediate championships from the West?

thesultan · 26-09-2016 09:12AM

Lismore and Ballysaggert drew.

jive · 26-09-2016 02:51PM

robopaddy2 wrote: »

There was an initiative started by WIT a few years back, (perhaps about 5 or 6 years ago) to improve hurling in the town of Tramore. It was a project started by the students in the Sports & Rec department and involved students interested in coaching going out to the primary and secondary schools doing coaching sessions. I don't know if it was success or if it even lasted very long. The one thing Ive always noticed is that Tramore almost always have representatives on the Tony Forristal and Sonny Walsh teams every year, but very rarely see any representatives at minor or u21 level.

Most of the good players move at underage level to play for DLS or other city clubs. They also lose a lot of their better players to the soccer clubs once they get older and eventually have to focus on one or the other.

There's been plenty of Tramore men who have represented Waterford over the years but they haven't represented Tramore at club level (they have in football, not hurling). Whatever the reason for it happening, it's a hard trend to break. Historically they have been more of a football club but that's not the case anymore, I don't think they've actually won a championship game for a few years.

thesultan · 26-09-2016 07:11PM

Any report on any of the games at the weekend?

DiscoStew · 26-09-2016 07:28PM

IanVW wrote: »

Waterford SHC Quarter Finals
Ballygunner v Abbeyside,
De La Salle v Mount Sion,
Dungarvan v Roanmore,
Passage v Fourmilewater

Could possibly see all 4 teams from group one getting through to the semi finals, as was the case last year. Fourmilewater are probably the best bet to get through from group two. Roanmore could cause Dungarvan some difficulties but I think Dungarvan should have enough to pull through despite some erratic form of late. Portlaw and Cappoquin in the relegation final will be an interesting game also, Cappoquin would seemingly have the better hurlers but if Shane O'Rourke is absent Portlaw could make this a tight game. Interesting that 2 teams who battled in the county semi final last year find their seasons over now, although given the way their respective seasons went I would imagine both are relatively content in avoiding the relegation playoff. The other 2 semi finalists from last year topped their respective groups.

thesultan · 26-09-2016 08:17PM

DiscoStew wrote: »

Could possibly see all 4 teams from group one getting through to the semi finals, as was the case last year. Fourmilewater are probably the best bet to get through from group two. Roanmore could cause Dungarvan some difficulties but I think Dungarvan should have enough to pull through despite some erratic form of late. Portlaw and Cappoquin in the relegation final will be an interesting game also, Cappoquin would seemingly have the better hurlers but if Shane O'Rourke is absent Portlaw could make this a tight game. Interesting that 2 teams who battled in the county semi final last year find their seasons over now, although given the way their respective seasons went I would imagine both are relatively content in avoiding the relegation playoff. The other 2 semi finalists from last year topped their respective groups.

It seems ballygunner have stepped ahead of the rest. Win their first two games and afford to leave players off for the remaining games and still win. Tallow and Ballyduff seems destroyed with injuries and retirements.

robopaddy2 · 27-09-2016 05:57AM

Should be 4 teams in the relegation play-offs imo. 2nd from bottom plays the bottom in opposing group in 2 semi finals. And both losers play in final.

I think Ballyduff and Portlaw deserve to be in the relegation final they've been the 2 worst teams.

cul beag · 27-09-2016 07:04AM

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Should be 4 teams in the relegation play-offs imo. 2nd from bottom plays the bottom in opposing group in 2 semi finals. And both losers play in final.

I think Ballyduff and Portlaw deserve to be in the relegation final they've been the 2 worst teams.

Yes but unfortunately Cappoquin put in their worse performance of the year when they needed it most and the opposite applied to Ballyduff Upper. It's a big ask to go to Walsh Park on Sunday without Shane O Rourke to take on Portlaw. Last year's intermediate winners looked good in the first half against Ballyduff but were taken apart in the second half especially by Mikey Kearney and Jamie Kearney who were excellent.
Unfortunately the league tables don't lie and the worse 2 teams in the championship finish in the bottom two.

robopaddy2 · 27-09-2016 07:12AM

cul beag wrote: »

Yes but unfortunately Cappoquin put in their worse performance of the year when they needed it most and the opposite applied to Ballyduff Upper. It's a big ask to go to Walsh Park on Sunday without Shane O Rourke to take on Portlaw. Last year's intermediate winners looked good in the first half against Ballyduff but were taken apart in the second half especially by Mikey Kearney and Jamie Kearney who were excellent.
Unfortunately the league tables don't lie and the worse 2 teams in the championship finish in the bottom two.

Yea I don't think Cappoquin envisaged ending up in a relegation final this year after an excellent first season up senior. But I guess you're right league tables are what they are at the end of the day. I fancy Portlaw to go now, they really did struggle and considering they were deserving intermediate winners it doesn't bode well for any prospective intermediate sides coming up. The gap is big and clubs like Ballyduff and Tallow are seasoned campaigners and seem to know how to survive at this level even in years they are struggling.

DiscoStew · 27-09-2016 03:05PM

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Yea I don't think Cappoquin envisaged ending up in a relegation final this year after an excellent first season up senior. But I guess you're right league tables are what they are at the end of the day. I fancy Portlaw to go now, they really did struggle and considering they were deserving intermediate winners it doesn't bode well for any prospective intermediate sides coming up. The gap is big and clubs like Ballyduff and Tallow are seasoned campaigners and seem to know how to survive at this level even in years they are struggling.

It's tough on Cappoquin in that they were not heavily beaten in games like Ballyduff and Tallow were more than once this year but that's the nature of it. They were unlucky on more than one occasion not to pick up points this year but perhaps that's a lack of experience at playing at this level over a period of time.

thesultan · 27-09-2016 08:18PM

How is the relegation final on in Walsh park? Crazy stuff. The fixtures this year are poorly timed and the venue doesn't need to be Father field the whole time.

DiscoStew · 29-09-2016 08:14AM

thesultan wrote: »

How is the relegation final on in Walsh park? Crazy stuff. The fixtures this year are poorly timed and the venue doesn't need to be Father field the whole time.

Is it part of a double header? Would have thought leamybrien would be the ideal venue there.
Fraher Field is definitely overused. There was 4 games played their last Sunday alone. The pitch is starting to show the signs of this too unfortunately.

thesultan · 29-09-2016 08:42AM

DiscoStew wrote: »

Is it part of a double header? Would have thought leamybrien would be the ideal venue there.
Fraher Field is definitely overused. There was 4 games played their last Sunday alone. The pitch is starting to show the signs of this too unfortunately.

Yea its like we have lights we must use them. Wouldn't a double header Sunday afternoon suited people better?

mickotallow · 30-09-2016 10:38PM

thesultan wrote: »

Yea its like we have lights we must use them. Wouldn't a double header Sunday afternoon suited people better?

Totally agree. Couple of years ago the relegation match was played under lights on a Thursday night and Tallow had to play DLS in a quarter final under lights on the Friday with 2 other quarter finals in Fraher field on the Saturday. The Tallow manager at the time put in a request to play the game on Saturday or Sunday as they had lads in college etc. The response from our esteemed ex county board secretary from Clashmore was that the lights were there to be used not just as ornaments.
When I heard that it summed up the man and the attitude of the county board. While every club was being asked to pay a levy the county board were still throwing around money like confetti.
There's more pitches in Waterford than fraher field and Walsh park. Use them and let players prepare properly for quarter finals that they've trained all year to play in. Just cos Dublin and Cork play club championships mid week under lights doesn't make it right. More respect has to be given to amateur players and not asking them to play under lights after a day's work isn't too much to ask when it wouldn't take too much effort to arrange another pitch for a weekend daytime match.

OldBoro · 01-10-2016 09:50PM

Wasn't able to make the game tonight but fair Dew's to the county board and there twitter feed for the live video of the action. First time seeing it so not sure if it's new but a welcome addition to coverage

PTH2009 · 01-10-2016 10:23PM

OldBoro wrote: »

Wasn't able to make the game tonight but fair Dew's to the county board and there twitter feed for the live video of the action. First time seeing it so not sure if it's new but a welcome addition to coverage

Its a good app. Hopefully I will watch the double header in fraher field on it tomorrow night. Knw roanmore would cause them trouble but dungarvan came out on top after ET. Pa Curren scoring 2-16 out of dungarvans 3-23 .

I knw this is a Waterford thread but my heart goes out to Mayo and there supporters. Cruel way too lose an All Ireland but to take an equalising free under that much pressure is something else I imagine.

seananigans · 02-10-2016 07:56AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Its a good app. Hopefully I will watch the double header in fraher field on it tomorrow night. Knw roanmore would cause them trouble but dungarvan came out on top after ET. Pa Curren scoring 2-16 out of dungarvans 3-23 .

I knw this is a Waterford thread but my heart goes out to Mayo and there supporters. Cruel way too lose an All Ireland but to take an equalising free under that much pressure is something else I imagine.

To be fair we were near enough in the exact same situation against KK this year, in some ways I think I knoe how they feel.

OldBoro · 02-10-2016 01:50PM

Paddy Power has Cappoquin Portlaw game as 7-45 throw in might be worth keeping an eye on. Not promoting gambling now of course

PTH2009 · 02-10-2016 03:21PM

Portlaw won

Mount sion 0-10-0-9 up at ht against DLS

PTH2009 · 02-10-2016 03:53PM

Dls 0-17-14 up now 9 mins left

PTH2009 · 02-10-2016 03:59PM

Mt sion goal level 3 mins to go

PTH2009 · 02-10-2016 04:05PM

All over mt sion 1-16-DlS 0-19

Extra time

Gleeson with mt sions final 2 pts

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