SFC Final - Dublin v Mayo - Read Mod Note in post #1 & #1393

OldMrBrennan83 · 18-09-2016 07:58PM

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The Talking Bread · 18-09-2016 08:04PM

Replays in Championship finals have been the norm for as long as the GAA has been established. First one was 1894!!

Pretty sure they are not going to change a historic rule just because they feel a guilt trip about the money involved now!

TCDStudent1 · 18-09-2016 08:06PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Replays in Championship finals have been the norm for as long as the GAA has been established. First one was 1894!!

Pretty sure they are not going to change a historic rule just because they feel a guilt trip about the money involved now!

I dont really get why people dont like them - who wouldnt want to watch another match between Dublin - Mayo! Has to be the best rivalry in the GAA at the moment

Grandeeod · 18-09-2016 08:08PM

I think Mayo shot their bolt today and that's that. Could be wrong, but by the end of that game I was willing Mayo to do it and they couldn't. Dublin didn't even deserve the draw today and I'm a Dub.

The next day out, I really feel Mayo will be found wanting.

TCDStudent1 · 18-09-2016 08:16PM

Watching the match again now on TG4 - Keegan & McCauley were extremely lucky not to be black carded in the first half. Their 2 incidents were probably both more cynical than McCarthy's. It was interesting though that the black card call came from the linesman. Can McQuillan ref the replay? I think the reason the ref from the final doesnt do a replay is to ensure he doesnt bring any 'baggage' from that game.

18-09-2016 08:19PM

Grandeeod wrote: »

I think Mayo shot their bolt today and that's that. Could be wrong, but by the end of that game I was willing Mayo to do it and they couldn't. Dublin didn't even deserve the draw today and I'm a Dub.

The next day out, I really feel Mayo will be found wanting.

I dunno, Mayo werent meant to even draw today. They were only up there for Dublin's coronation we were told. I think Mayo are capable of a much better performance. I cant help feeling that the occasion plays on them too much. it will be interesting the next day but i dont think there is much between these teams on any given day

OldMrBrennan83 · 18-09-2016 08:22PM

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Grandeeod · 18-09-2016 08:23PM

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I dunno, Mayo werent meant to even draw today. They were only up there for Dublin's coronation we were told. I think Mayo are capable of a much better performance. I cant help feeling that the occasion plays on them too much. it will be interesting the next day but i dont think there is much between these teams on any given day

I agree there's not much between them, but Mayo brought something different to the game today. It dominated and forced Dublin into a battle, that they managed not to lose. But the next day....

Dyr · 18-09-2016 08:25PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I dunno, Mayo werent meant to even draw today. They were only up there for Dublin's coronation we were told.

Who told you that?

I felt if the ref had a howler or Dublin massively misfired it would be Mayos day.

Both happened but Mayo still didn't win it, and they should have.

If it's an experienced ref for the replay and dublin have no injuries, then Mayo will have a hard day winning next time

18-09-2016 08:29PM

Bambi wrote: »

Who told you that?

I felt if the ref had a howler or Dublin massively misfired it would be Mayos day.

Both happened but Mayo still didn't win it, and they should have.

If it's an experienced ref for the replay and dublin have no injuries, then Mayo will have a hard day winning next time

Lets face it the media, pundits, journalists, and perhaps general public probably found it very hard to envisage a Mayo win given their finals history and how dominant Dublin have been the last few seasons.

18-09-2016 08:32PM

Patww79 wrote: »

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Dublin were poor ill agree. They just werent themselves. Was there perhaps too much expectation on them to win today? They got the rub of the green with the two o.g's. Its a more closer matchup then we think though even when both play at their best. Its a game of inches and opportunities i suppose.

Rightwing · 18-09-2016 08:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I dunno, Mayo werent meant to even draw today. They were only up there for Dublin's coronation we were told. I think Mayo are capable of a much better performance. I cant help feeling that the occasion plays on them too much. it will be interesting the next day but i dont think there is much between these teams on any given day

Agreed. Just checking the odds for the replay, Dub still favs but not as strong as today, 4/9. Mayo favs with the 3 point handicap.

TheRiverman · 18-09-2016 08:46PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Watching the match again now on TG4 - Keegan & McCauley were extremely lucky not to be black carded in the first half. Their 2 incidents were probably both more cynical than McCarthy's. It was interesting though that the black card call came from the linesman. Can McQuillan ref the replay? I think the reason the ref from the final doesnt do a replay is to ensure he doesnt bring any 'baggage' from that game.

McCauley should have got a straight red for that round the neck tackle.

LeoB · 18-09-2016 08:49PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

I really didnt think it was harsh. He clearly barged into O'Connor who didnt have the ball. If he didnt take O'Connor out of it, then O'Connor could have pressured Kilkenny who was on the ball.

I think in fairness to McCarthy he could have put O'Connor in the stand but tried to stop himself. This black card is a disaster and Lane had no bottle to dish out cards when they were needed. If the rules were applied correctly 5 Mayo and 4 Dublin players would have been black carded, which could ruin a game.

tomwaits48 wrote: »

The anti Dublin commentary was hilarious

Nothing hilarious about it!! Its a joke. Carney is a disgrace. Totally anti-Dublin.

Heffoman wrote: »

For all the winding up of Connolly he gets away with an awful lot. Got away with a fairly obvious black card later on then struck Lee Keegan a few times in the face in their tussle.

He was right to slap Keegan, did you see Connollys jersey?. People give out about Connolly but Keegan is a bit thuggish and getting away with murder over the last few years. Connolly like other good ball players does not get any protection from the officials, like Andy Moran and Cillian O'Connor. Keegan should have been black carded before Dublin goal and Lane let a few Mayo lads away with blatant checks. A few Dubs got away with it also. Connolly could have got a black card also but Lane hadnt the bottle to give it to him after Keegan had pulled him down earlier. So just forget the black card. Connolly for his weaknesses is class, Keegan has not the ability to out play him so resorts to the sly digs .

The game as a spectacle was great. The errors and turnovers made it. Mayo I felt when they levelled would go on and win.
Thought Cooper was superb today. I have had no faith in him at all but the last 2 games have shown how good he is. Johnny Small was also very good and probably Dublins best player. Fenton and McAuley tried hard. Agree with the post that Dublin from 10-15 were very poor. Can they be as bad again up front? I dont think so.

For Mayo, Parsons was decent, worked really hard. Keith Higgins was good also. O'Connors equaliser was class. Shows how good he actually is. McLoughlin very good early in the game.

As for A.O'S rumours are that he will be issued with his own cards and be in charge of the replay;). He was running after the referee moaning while Dublin came walking out with the ball and scored. Few Mayo lads will be reffing soon by the looks of things. Thought is was disgusting to see Mayo lads running trying to get lads black carded. No class in that sort of stuff at all. Hate to see any player doing this.

The replay...... I dont think Mayo have shot their bolt at all. When they play direct football they can match Dublin we have seen that enough now. They are a powerful group of players with 6 or 7 lads who can do serious damage. Will Dublin be as poor up front again? I dont think so. Flynn, McMenamen and Brogan were not good today and Rock missed a few chances. If they are as bad up front Dublin will be in bigger trouble than today. I hope Dublin win but like before today I felt Mayo could put it up to Dublin big time and they did. Not sure if they can do it twice. Who will recover best? Who has picked up an injury?

Dublin by 2 in replay

Moo Moo Land · 18-09-2016 08:49PM

Rightwing wrote: »

Agreed. Just checking the odds for the replay, Dub still favs but not as strong as today, 4/9. Mayo favs with the 3 point handicap.

Mayo were 10/3 at 3pm today. They are 5/2 for replay which is strange but apart from the 2 soft goals, I thought they had the measure of Dublin.

TCDStudent1 · 18-09-2016 08:54PM

What was Cillian O'Connor complaining to the referee about just before the final whistle? It looked a clear free to Dublin - the Mayo just drive straight into him. I didnt see why O'Connor was getting into such a tizzy over it.

TCDStudent1 · 18-09-2016 08:58PM

LeoB wrote: »

I think in fairness to McCarthy he could have put O'Connor in the stand but tried to stop himself. This black card is a disaster and Lane had no bottle to dish out cards when they were needed. If the rules were applied correctly 5 Mayo and 4 Dublin players would have been black carded, which could ruin a game.

Nothing hilarious about it!! Its a joke. Carney is a disgrace. Totally anti-Dublin.

He was right to slap Keegan, did you see Connollys jersey?. People give out about Connolly but Keegan is a bit thuggish and getting away with murder over the last few years. Connolly like other good ball players does not get any protection from the officials, like Andy Moran and Cillian O'Connor. Keegan should have been black carded before Dublin goal and Lane let a few Mayo lads away with blatant checks. A few Dubs got away with it also. Connolly could have got a black card also but Lane hadnt the bottle to give it to him after Keegan had pulled him down earlier. So just forget the black card. Connolly for his weaknesses is class, Keegan has not the ability to out play him so resorts to the sly digs .

The game as a spectacle was great. The errors and turnovers made it. Mayo I felt when they levelled would go on and win.
Thought Cooper was superb today. I have had no faith in him at all but the last 2 games have shown how good he is. Johnny Small was also very good and probably Dublins best player. Fenton and McAuley tried hard. Agree with the post that Dublin from 10-15 were very poor. Can they be as bad again up front? I dont think so.

For Mayo, Parsons was decent, worked really hard. Keith Higgins was good also. O'Connors equaliser was class. Shows how good he actually is. McLoughlin very good early in the game.

As for A.O'S rumours are that he will be issued with his own cards and be in charge of the replay;). He was running after the referee moaning while Dublin came walking out with the ball and scored. Few Mayo lads will be reffing soon by the looks of things. Thought is was disgusting to see Mayo lads running trying to get lads black carded. No class in that sort of stuff at all. Hate to see any player doing this.

The replay...... I dont think Mayo have shot their bolt at all. When they play direct football they can match Dublin we have seen that enough now. They are a powerful group of players with 6 or 7 lads who can do serious damage. Will Dublin be as poor up front again? I dont think so. Flynn, McMenamen and Brogan were not good today and Rock missed a few chances. If they are as bad up front Dublin will be in bigger trouble than today. I hope Dublin win but like before today I felt Mayo could put it up to Dublin big time and they did. Not sure if they can do it twice. Who will recover best? Who has picked up an injury?

Dublin by 2 in replay

Yeah, I agree. When I saw it first in realtime on TV, I thought he could be in trouble. It would have been interesting if he started dishing out black cards. Just after watching the match back on TG4 again and there were a number of other more cyncial incidents that probably warranted black cards under current rule. Then if he applied the rule, we would all be whinging that the ref ruined the match (even though its the players who do the fouling). It does make me wonder about the future of the black card.

PARlance · 18-09-2016 09:00PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

What was Cillian O'Connor complaining to the referee about just before the final whistle? It looked a clear free to Dublin - the Mayo just drive straight into him. I didnt see why O'Connor was getting into such a tizzy over it.

It doesn't take much for Cillian to be looking for something but there must have been something off the ball as the linesman was brought in.

TCDStudent1 · 18-09-2016 09:06PM

PARlance wrote: »

It doesn't take much for Cillian to be looking for something but there must have been something off the ball as the linesman was brought in.

Dont think there was anything off the ball. The linesman was facing that incident while the ref had turned away. That was what the black card was for.

Personally, I think it was a harsh black. And if it hadnt been given, I doubt anybody would even remember the incident. However, I also believe that McCarthy could have avoided O'Connor if he wanted to and there was an element of cynicism in it.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 18-09-2016 09:09PM

The few Dublin fans whinging about Mayo apparently being cursed is hilarious.

How can something so harmless and jokey clearly wind up anybody, it's not even got anything to do with Dublin in any way.

Dyr · 18-09-2016 09:14PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

What was Cillian O'Connor complaining to the referee about just before the final whistle? It looked a clear free to Dublin - the Mayo just drive straight into him. I didnt see why O'Connor was getting into such a tizzy over it.

He's Cillian O'Connor, whinging at refs is what he does.

As for the McCarthy black, O'Connor stepped into him and then went down like he'd been murdered, as per usual

I don't if it's noticeable that I don't have any time for Cillian.

gormdubhgorm · 18-09-2016 09:16PM

Fair play to Mayo today.
But I feel they missed a trick.
Weather conditions suited Mayo (they are well used to that weather in the west) and Dublin are a footballing team.

The amount of Dublin players off form was shocking. Only a few emerged with credit Small/ Cian O'Sullivan and Paddy Andrews (paddy andrews in the first half) imo.

God knows what Aidan O'Shea was doing with that aimless final ball he played near the end.

Dublin cannot play any worse, Mayo cannot play much better (despite giving two goals away). The weather will be better surely?

PARlance · 18-09-2016 09:17PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Dont think there was anything off the ball. The linesman was facing that incident while the ref had turned away. That was what the black card was for.

Personally, I think it was a harsh black. And if it hadnt been given, I doubt anybody would even remember the incident. However, I also believe that McCarthy could have avoided O'Connor if he wanted to and there was an element of cynicism in it.

You were talking about the incident in the final minute? I was, it looked like the linesman came in for that.

The black card was a very harsh one.

TCDStudent1 · 18-09-2016 09:20PM

PARlance wrote: »

You were talking about the incident in the final minute?
The black card was a very harsh one.

Sorry, got confused in my replies!

The Talking Bread · 18-09-2016 09:21PM

18-09-2016 09:24PM

Nonsense, McCauley should of been off a clear red. The ref saved Dublin with that decision. That could of been a life changing tackle, can't see other refs been as lenient.

Moo Moo Land · 18-09-2016 09:27PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

What was Cillian O'Connor complaining to the referee about just before the final whistle? It looked a clear free to Dublin - the Mayo just drive straight into him. I didnt see why O'Connor was getting into such a tizzy over it.

I might be wrong but did he think the Dublin player picked the kickout straight off the ground?

Dyr · 18-09-2016 09:28PM

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Lets face it the media, pundits, journalists, and perhaps general public probably found it very hard to envisage a Mayo win given their finals history and how dominant Dublin have been the last few seasons.

All I was hearing all week was about what Mayo needed to do to beat this Dublin team

OldMrBrennan83 · 18-09-2016 09:35PM

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Ted111 · 18-09-2016 09:37PM

Luckily no one will under estimate them again.
No more of this under dog rubish.
It's mayos to lose now.

SFC Final - Dublin v Mayo - *Read Mod Note in post #1 & #1393*

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SFC Final - Dublin v Mayo - Read Mod Note in post #1 & #1393