Eir rural FTTH thread

gunnerfitzy · 08-09-2016 08:25PM

Hi guys,

I'm about 2KM from my FTTC enabled exchange and there are no cabinets any closer so no FTTC to for me.

I'm on the FTTH route (blue line passing the house). The openeir map indicates the following in relation to my exchange 'Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s is Winter 2016/ Spring 2017'.

Will the fact that I am approx 2KM (and quite rural) from the exchange mean that it could be months/years after the first FTTH service goes live on my exchange before I will get FTTH?

Or will this make no difference and I may get FTTH soon after my exchange goes live for FTTH?

The Cush · 08-09-2016 08:31PM

gunnerfitzy wrote: »

Will the fact that I am approx 2KM (and quite rural) from the exchange mean that it could be months/years after the first FTTH service goes live on my exchange before I will get FTTH?

Or will this make no difference and I may get FTTH soon after my exchange goes live for FTTH?

It should be available to you about the time they run the fibre cable past your house

gunnerfitzy · 08-09-2016 09:45PM

The Cush wrote: »

It should be available to you about the time they run the fibre cable past your house

Understandably so. If I may rephrase... Will the roll out from the exchange be in planned stages working out from the exchange AFTER it goes live - in this case the closer the property is to the exchange the sooner it will get the service OR will all the relevant cabling be put in place PRIOR to the exchange going live - in this case all properties on the routes can seek a connection when the exchange goes live ?

tsue921i8wljb3 · 08-09-2016 09:52PM

gunnerfitzy wrote: »

Understandably so. If I may rephrase... Will the roll out from the exchange be in planned stages working out from the exchange AFTER it goes live - in this case the closer the property is to the exchange the sooner it will get the service OR will all the relevant cabling be put in place PRIOR to the exchange going live - in this case all properties on the routes can seek a connection when the exchange goes live ?

Nobody outside of Openeir and KNN really knows yet. Certain areas are due to go "live" on the 28th of September. If Openeir publish the connection figures for FTTH as they have been doing for FTTC we should be able to answer the question.

My own opinion is that they will declare an exchange area as live even though all premises on the relevant blue lines will not be able to order so option A in your question.

Gonzo · 08-09-2016 09:56PM

gunnerfitzy wrote: »

Understandably so. If I may rephrase... Will the roll out from the exchange be in planned stages working out from the exchange AFTER it goes live - in this case the closer the property is to the exchange the sooner it will get the service OR will all the relevant cabling be put in place PRIOR to the exchange going live - in this case all properties on the routes can seek a connection when the exchange goes live ?

this is something I been thinking about since the announcement about rural FTTH was first made, but with 1 rural exchange in county Wexford already taking orders, it appears that only one segment of 1 blue line is taking orders while the rest of the blue line and other blue lines in the same area are not taking orders yet. So it seems they made part a certain route and do that first before moving onto others. One radial route could get done much faster than another radial route even if the person is living close to the village/town/exchange. We will know more in a month's time when a few more exchanges are taking orders. Ballyfarnan in County Leitrim and Athboy in County Meath will be live 28th September, or at least part of them will be.

damienirel · 09-09-2016 10:15AM

Gonzo wrote: »

this is something I been thinking about since the announcement about rural FTTH was first made, but with 1 rural exchange in county Wexford already taking orders, it appears that only one segment of 1 blue line is taking orders while the rest of the blue line and other blue lines in the same area are not taking orders yet. So it seems they made part a certain route and do that first before moving onto others. One radial route could get done much faster than another radial route even if the person is living close to the village/town/exchange. We will know more in a month's time when a few more exchanges are taking orders. Ballyfarnan in County Leitrim and Athboy in County Meath will be live 28th September, or at least part of them will be.

Very interesting. I wonder why they would do it that way? It would be even more of a hassle moving from exchange area to exchange area and then coming back again to finish it off. But I guess it probably looks better on paper and word of mouth would help on it's uptake - very interesting indeed. Also assuming that this is the way they're doing it I presume they knock of the potentially busier lines first(this is good news for me if that is the case). I'm hopeful my line starts early 2017 even though it's one of the 2017-2020 exchange areas.
No flies on this new/old incumbent operator!

Gonzo · 09-09-2016 11:46AM

damienirel wrote: »

Very interesting. I wonder why they would do it that way? It would be even more of a hassle moving from exchange area to exchange area and then coming back again to finish it off. But I guess it probably looks better on paper and word of mouth would help on it's uptake - very interesting indeed. Also assuming that this is the way they're doing it I presume they knock of the potentially busier lines first(this is good news for me if that is the case). I'm hopeful my line starts early 2017 even though it's one of the 2017-2020 exchange areas.
No flies on this new/old incumbent operator!

So far this is the way its been happening even on Stage one which is the preparation of routes. They started Friday April 1st on my road and spent a week, they then dissappeared for 4 months and came back to do 1 more day of ducting early July and haven't been back since. During that day in July a neighbour was told that they are normally in the Ballyboden area doing work. The progress is very slow because it does seem the guys get moved around from one place to another many miles away. It is very frustrating for the customer who is dying to get their hands on decent broadband as soon as possible. I would have thought it would be much easier and efficient to start an area and keep at it till its live and move on.

There are 4 or 5 other radial routes from Dunshaughlin which are blue lined and ive yet to see any preparation work take place on them yet my road back to the cabinet seems like stage one is complete, but then the road splits into 2 and the other section isn't started yet either.

Like all areas, our area got pushed back from Autumn/Winter 2016 live date to Winter 2016, I even have my doubts now will anything happen before Christmas.

pegasus1 · 09-09-2016 12:05PM

I was talking with a friend of mine last night who was high up in eir...he was saying that even someone in eir who is high up does not know when anything is happening or even to get a blue line extended a few more houses beyond where it stops...
Its only a small team, 20ish people, who know anything at all, as they are the ones planning it...

damienirel · 09-09-2016 12:34PM

pegasus1 wrote: »

I was talking with a friend of mine last night who was high up in eir...he was saying that even someone in eir who is high up does not know when anything is happening or even to get a blue line extended a few more houses beyond where it stops...
Its only a small team, 20ish people, who know anything at all, as they are the ones planning it...

yeah I can see the logic in that - can you imagine all the strokes being pulled if more people had an influence on where the blue lines actually went. It would cost eir a fortune. They have to stick to plans or they have nothing. I know that will be very annoying for some within a hairs breadth of a blue line.

ED E · 09-09-2016 03:00PM

If your friend is in retail then he's not allowed to know, per regulation.

ItHurtsWhenIP · 09-09-2016 04:01PM

Even the guys in Open eir have trouble getting any info out of the higher ups.

My neighbour's brother is an Open eir linesman (one of the last of them and is soon to be retired). I asked him to enquire about what equipment was being fitted in my village's exchange and if it would provide both VDSL and ADSL2+. (I'm too far for VDSL, but could possibly get 10-12Mbps on ADSL2+).

He asked everyone he knew in wholesale and was passed from pillar to post and never got an answer to what I would have thought was a simple question.

p.s.- This is my 1,000th post :eek: - yay me! :P

damienirel · 09-09-2016 04:04PM

ED E wrote: »

If your friend is in retail then he's not allowed to know, per regulation.

ME(Pleb): When will I get fibre internet? -
EIR Top Brass: Sorry that's classified information.

Johnboy1951 · 09-09-2016 04:07PM

damienirel wrote: »

When will I get fibre internet? - Sorry that's classified information.

It certainly is commercially sensitive.

long_b · 09-09-2016 06:52PM

Surely this "connect one blue line at a time then move to different exchange" would make a nonsense of the scheduled dates though?

tsue921i8wljb3 · 09-09-2016 07:07PM

long_b wrote: »

Surely this "connect one blue line at a time then move to different exchange" would make a nonsense of the scheduled dates though?

Well we have already seen a delay for many exchanges. I also think another important point is that the message from Openeir on the proposed exchanges is:

Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services is...

That word first is very important. It is not an estimated completion date but perhaps the very opposite.

It also has to be noted that if Openeir feel confident about winning one or both NBP lots then there is even less incentive on then to complete these 300000 homes out of their own funds.

Gonzo · 09-09-2016 07:09PM

long_b wrote: »

Surely this "connect one blue line at a time then move to different exchange" would make a nonsense of the scheduled dates though?

hopefully it doesn't end up that way, I can't see how its practical. Doing entire exchanges in clusters would make much more sense.

Dunshaughlin, Batterstown and Ratoath are all down for Winter 2014 and all located beside each other and blue lines cross from one exchange into the next. Hopefully all 3 will get completed at same time before Christmas, would make sense to cluster exchanges like this together.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 09-09-2016 07:10PM

Gonzo wrote: »

hopefully it doesn't end up that way, I can't see how its practical. Doing entire exchanges in clusters would make much more sense.

Dunshaughlin, Batterstown and Ratoath are all down for Winter 2014 and all located beside each other and blue lines cross from one exchange into the next. Hopefully all 3 will get completed at same time before Christmas, would make sense to cluster exchanges like this together.

Not a hope I believe.

Gonzo · 09-09-2016 07:17PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Not a hope I believe.

unfortunately your probably right, there are at least 4 or 5 exchanges per county for quite a few counties listed for Winter 2016, that's alot of exchanges, no way are they gonna be complete by end of Winter, at least half of them will still be waiting to be starting in Spring. It probably will be one blue line or a segment of 1 blue line active and then eventually they will finish the rest.

This is just an estimation, by December we should know more and really get to see how much of each exchange is getting completed. So far we have very little to go on other than some ground work and a cluster of houses live in a rural village of County Wexford.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 09-09-2016 07:24PM

Gonzo wrote: »

unfortunately your probably right, there are at least 4 or 5 exchanges per county for quite a few counties listed for Winter 2016, that's alot of exchanges, no way are they gonna be complete by end of Winter, at least half of them will still be waiting to be starting in Spring. It probably will be one blue line or a segment of 1 blue line active and then eventually they will finish the rest.

This is just an estimation, by December we should know more and really get to see how much of each exchange is getting completed. So far we have very little to go on other than some ground work and a cluster of houses live in a rural village of County Wexford.

Yes it is unfortunate but I just don't see where the incentive is for Openeir to complete this rollout on time. Siro have proven to be a damp squib of a competitor. ENET have no infrastructure. All the while in the near future there will be subsidies provided to connect these premises. I believe it is just too tempting for Openeir to holdout for the NBP. All just my opinion of course.

KOR101 · 09-09-2016 07:43PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Yes it is unfortunate but I just don't see where the incentive is for Openeir to complete this rollout on time. Siro have proven to be a damp squib of a competitor. ENET have no infrastructure. All the while in the near future there will be subsidies provided to connect these premises. I believe it is just too tempting for Openeir to holdout for the NBP. All just my opinion of course.

The one argument against this is that Openair are, in part, trying to provide themselves with a basis for a legal complaint should they lose out on the NBP, and it's also helpful to have the threat of this to boost their NBP chances. To have that legal basis they really need to have a concrete, evidence supported, rollout under way.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 09-09-2016 07:51PM

KOR101 wrote: »

The one argument against this is that Openair are, in part, trying to provide themselves with a basis for a legal complaint should they lose out on the NBP, and it's also helpful to have the threat of this to boost their NBP chances. To have that legal basis they really need to have a concrete, evidence supported, rollout under way.

They will have. A few premises here, a few there. Also I find it hard to envisage a scenario where they don't win at least one of the lots.

KOR101 · 09-09-2016 07:57PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

A few premises here, a few there.

Well that's a really weak basis for a legal complaint. Also, it is absolutely clear that Eir is presently pivoting from their FTTC programme onto the FTTH one. I think the available teams will simply be set to work on FTTH. It would even be helpful to Eir if they could demonstrate clearly that they can rollout 600km a month. That might completely knockout SIRO.

ED E · 09-09-2016 08:28PM

If eir don't capture a large FTTH market they wont survive. Long term thats gospel. With 500m in debt they need to think long term if shareholders will ever see a cent.

They can gamble on the NBP paying for it all but in the, IMO small, chance they don't get one or both lots that's them in big trouble or they can take the safe route and go on anyways and hope the state helps push it further than they'll take it themselves.

A customer outside a developed core once captured is yours for 20yrs, you wont have a two player market out there. HSQ know that.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 09-09-2016 08:46PM

KOR101 wrote: »

Well that's a really weak basis for a legal complaint. Also, it is absolutely clear that Eir is presently pivoting from their FTTC programme onto the FTTH one. I think the available teams will simply be set to work on FTTH. It would even be helpful to Eir if they could demonstrate clearly that they can rollout 600km a month. That might completely knockout SIRO.

Hopefully they will and I am proved wrong. The next few months will certainly be telling.

pegasus1 · 09-09-2016 09:22PM

ED E wrote: »

If your friend is in retail then he's not allowed to know, per regulation.

He was not in retail.

Gonzo · 09-09-2016 10:25PM

KOR101 wrote: »

It would even be helpful to Eir if they could demonstrate clearly that they can rollout 600km a month. That might completely knockout SIRO.

That's very true, the pace at which Siro is developing, is far too slow, 3 towns in 2 years and they have what, another 30 towns in their list, at the current pace it will take them 12 to 13 years to complete their first phase.

If Eir really rollout 600km per month they will destroy Siro.

rob808 · 09-09-2016 11:27PM

Gonzo wrote: »

That's very true, the pace at which Siro is developing, is far too slow, 3 towns in 2 years and they have what, another 30 towns in their list, at the current pace it will take them 12 to 13 years to complete their first phase.

If Eir really rollout 600km per month they will destroy Siro.

siro using ESB network which is dangerous because of the electric power cables.were as Eir just using normal poles it doesn't surprise me siro taking longer with it rollout.There doing 50 towns looking at there site it 7 towns probably 8 by end of this year.

Gonzo · 10-09-2016 02:43AM

rob808 wrote: »

siro using ESB network which is dangerous because of the electric power cables.were as Eir just using normal poles it doesn't surprise me siro taking longer with it rollout.There doing 50 towns looking at there site it 7 towns probably 8 by end of this year.

I didn't think Siro were using esb cables? I thought that idea was put to bed years ago? I presume they using normal fiber just like Eir?

tsue921i8wljb3 · 10-09-2016 02:57AM

Gonzo wrote: »

I didn't think Siro were using esb cables? I thought that idea was put to bed years ago? I presume they using normal fiber just like Eir?

I think he means that they are running the fibre alongside power cables therefore making it more dangerous. A pretty lame excuse. Surely they knew this when they launched. Their rollout has been largely disappointing so far. There is no point saying they will have seven or eight towns covered by the end of this year. How many premises have they passed and how many live connections do they have? Enet claimed in July to have connected more homes in the previous six months than Siro had in all it's time in existence.

David McCourt wrote:

We've built more homes (broadband connections) in the last six months than they have in the years they've had their Siro partnership.

http://www.independent.ie/business/the-billiondollar-boston-mogul-who-aims-to-fix-irelands-broadband-34906474.html

Redriddick · 11-09-2016 03:26PM

ED E wrote:

Get Vodafone Simply Fibre BB and keep Sky. If you take TV from Eir or Vodafone you're shaving 20Mb off your line for a worse product.

Update.....
All hedges now trimmed where the blue lines are running and even a bit passed them.

Eir rural FTTH thread

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