Eir rural FTTH thread

johnb25

Was not paying any attention to fibre in this area as I thought we would be years away, waiting on NBP. However, on Saturday a KN engineer pulled up outside the house. Told me he was doing a survey for fibre broadband, checking poles, ducting under ESB line crossings etc. On the mapping, he did say that sometimes the lines on the maps were wrong, running along ditches across fields instead of roads, and he would point these out. He also said myself and next door were last two houses on our line getting it. We live at top of a cul-de-sac with 6 more houses about 200M towards the end. When I queried the logic of this, he said it had to do with numbers.

Since then I have read most of this thread, and found the following on the map for my exchange:
DDT1_E01
Fibre Broadband Cabinet is Live

Dundrum
190 premises in this exchange can now access up to 70Mb/s fibre broadband. Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s is H2'2017

So looks like it is going to happen sooner that I thought, although maybe not by the date show above.
Kind of wish I hadn't met him though, as ignorance was bliss. The expectant waiting will be tough.

chewed

What I can't understand is that a village 4km from my village has a Blue (Fibre Services Planned) status. When I click this it states:

Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s is Winter 2016/ Spring 2017

But, in my village, which by the way is much bigger in size, has a Green (Fibre Build Commenced) Status. When I click this it states

Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s is H2'2017

How can a village that has work already started (I have seen the vans laying cables) have a later rollout date than an area where no work has commenced?

rob808

chewed wrote: »

What I can't understand is that a village 4km from my village has a Blue (Fibre Services Planned) status. When I click this it states:

Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s is Winter 2016/ Spring 2017

But, in my village, which by the way is much bigger in size, has a Green (Fibre Build Commenced) Status. When I click this it states

Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s is H2'2017

How can a village that has work already started (I have seen the vans laying cables) have a later rollout date than an area where no work has commenced?

They bypass the FTTC and use the exchange for FTTH rollout that might be one reason.The other reason might be down to planning,open eir are the only one that will tell you why but they don't give out any info to the public.

Johnboy1951

chewed wrote: »

What I can't understand is that a village 4km from my village has a Blue (Fibre Services Planned) status. When I click this it states:

Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s is Winter 2016/ Spring 2017

But, in my village, which by the way is much bigger in size, has a Green (Fibre Build Commenced) Status. When I click this it states

Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s is H2'2017

How can a village that has work already started (I have seen the vans laying cables) have a later rollout date than an area where no work has commenced?

Its a commercial roll-out so the company (eir) makes decisions that best suit their purposes, plans etc etc..

daraghwal

Was in openeir tent at ploughing. My exchange is live for FTTC and FTTH 2017-2020. I asked about the map and he said don't mind the 2017-2020, every blue line will be done by mid 2017... The employees don't even know what they're talking about

Johnboy1951

daraghwal wrote: »

Was in openeir tent at ploughing. My exchange is live for FTTC and FTTH 2017-2020. I asked about the map and he said don't mind the 2017-2020, every blue line will be done by mid 2017... The employees don't even know what they're talking about

I would love to believe HE knew what he was talking about

long_b

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I would love to believe HE knew what he was talking about

Sounds like he's been indulging in a few lines of Walt's blue stuff himself

pegasus1

daraghwal wrote: »

Was in openeir tent at ploughing. My exchange is live for FTTC and FTTH 2017-2020. I asked about the map and he said don't mind the 2017-2020, every blue line will be done by mid 2017... The employees don't even know what they're talking about

Oh you should have got that in writing....;)
You never know as if they do get the NBP they do say they can do it in less than three years and that's way more ground to cover than little blue lines, and it's just rolling out some fibre, don't you know...:cool:

legocrazy505

daraghwal wrote: »

Was in openeir tent at ploughing. My exchange is live for FTTC and FTTH 2017-2020. I asked about the map and he said don't mind the 2017-2020, every blue line will be done by mid 2017... The employees don't even know what they're talking about

This can also easily be confirmed by the two years of cold calling we've got from them asking us to move and when we say our connection is **** and Eir is just more expensive we get the "ah your line is being upgraded though as we speak, you should see it improve in a couple of months!"

Still waiting for that improvement...

Gonzo

daraghwal wrote: »

Was in openeir tent at ploughing. My exchange is live for FTTC and FTTH 2017-2020. I asked about the map and he said don't mind the 2017-2020, every blue line will be done by mid 2017... The employees don't even know what they're talking about

where's he getting that from lol, even Eir themselves don't admit that.
This first phase is taking along time to even get going proper. Sure there is a few small exchanges planned for 28th of September but only a portion of those exchanges is due to go live and there is 1 for mid October, after that who knows. It's a huge undertaking and they clearly don't have enough manpower to complete 100,000 during 2017 when you factor in they still have 64 cabs to finish, there will be winter storms and other work for them to do at same time. There is months of waiting between each phase of development, thats enough to tell that the manpower has to spread itself widely from one area to the next.

rob808

Gonzo wrote: »

where's he getting that from lol, even Eir themselves don't admit that.
This first phase is taking along time to even get going proper. Sure there is a few small exchanges planned for 28th of September but only a portion of those exchanges is due to go live and there is 1 for mid October, after that who knows. It's a huge undertaking and they clearly don't have enough manpower to complete 100,000 during 2017 when you factor in they still have 64 cabs to finish, there will be winter storms and other work for them to do at same time. There is months of waiting between each phase of development, thats enough to tell that the manpower has to spread itself widely from one area to the next.

It even made worse when you can't even get any info of open eir.I wonder how there gona handle NBP and there rural commercial rollout.I think there gona have get another third party partner to help them if they win.

Johnboy1951

Gonzo wrote: »

where's he getting that from lol, even Eir themselves don't admit that.
This first phase is taking along time to even get going proper. Sure there is a few small exchanges planned for 28th of September but only a portion of those exchanges is due to go live and there is 1 for mid October, after that who knows. It's a huge undertaking and they clearly don't have enough manpower to complete 100,000 during 2017 when you factor in they still have 64 cabs to finish, there will be winter storms and other work for them to do at same time. There is months of waiting between each phase of development, thats enough to tell that the manpower has to spread itself widely from one area to the next.

Yet openeir seem to believe they can deliver ....... which to me means delivering the fibre roll out which is separate to the individual connections to homes.
I suppose it is possible to have all the fibre laid by openeir within the time-frame ..... but it does look exceedingly unlikely IMO.

Gonzo

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Yet openeir seem to believe they can deliver ....... which to me means delivering the fibre roll out which is separate to the individual connections to homes.
I suppose it is possible to have all the fibre laid by openeir within the time-frame ..... but it does look exceedingly unlikely IMO.

I think the problem is they were over confident with their initial March 2017 completion of 100,000 premises. We already know that target is no more and some of those premises wont be even looked at till next Autumn. I am not bashing Eir, they are the only ones who are doing something to fix the rural problem, it's just that the time frame didn't add up when they have lots of other stuff going on at same time against the sheer number of KM's of fiber to be laid over a relatively short period of time.Also look at the opposition, Siro have completed 3/4 towns in 2 years with another 40+ to go by end of 2018, not a chance they are going to meet their target either. It's nearly October and there has been very little action when you look at the amount of premises/km's of fiber that has to be laid. A few months ago I would've thought several places be completed by now and that we would be seeing reports all over the place at this stage. Let's see what happens between now and mid December. I think it would be a safe bet that if your area is not on the live list by end of November, your looking at 2017 before going live. Fingers crossed we see a huge increase in action over the next week or 2 for the Winter 2016 exchanges.

tsue921i8wljb3

Gonzo wrote: »

I think the problem is they were over confident with their initial March 2017 completion of 100,000 premises. We already know that target is no more and some of those premises wont be even looked at till next Autumn. I am not bashing Eir, they are the only ones who are doing something to fix the rural problem, it's just that the time frame didn't add up when they have lots of other stuff going on at same time against the sheer number of KM's of fiber to be laid over a relatively short period of time.Also look at the opposition, Siro have completed 3/4 towns in 2 years with another 40+ to go by end of 2018, not a chance they are going to meet their target either. It's nearly October and there has been very little action when you look at the amount of premises/km's of fiber that has to be laid. A few months ago I would've thought several places be completed by now and that we would be seeing reports all over the place at this stage. Let's see what happens between now and mid December. I think it would be a safe bet that if your area is not on the live list by end of November, your looking at 2017 before going live. Fingers crossed we see a huge increase in action over the next week or 2 for the Winter 2016 exchanges.

Or that it was what many people thought at the time. An attempted land grab in advance of the NBP which the Department did not fall for.

Johnboy1951

Gonzo wrote: »

I think the problem is they were over confident with their initial March 2017 completion of 100,000 premises. We already know that target is no more and some of those premises wont be even looked at till next Autumn. I am not bashing Eir, they are the only ones who are doing something to fix the rural problem, it's just that the time frame didn't add up when they have lots of other stuff going on at same time against the sheer number of KM's of fiber to be laid over a relatively short period of time.Also look at the opposition, Siro have completed 3/4 towns in 2 years with another 40+ to go by end of 2018, not a chance they are going to meet their target either. It's nearly October and there has been very little action when you look at the amount of premises/km's of fiber that has to be laid. A few months ago I would've thought several places be completed by now and that we would be seeing reports all over the place at this stage. Let's see what happens between now and mid December. I think it would be a safe bet that if your area is not on the live list by end of November, your looking at 2017 before going live. Fingers crossed we see a huge increase in action over the next week or 2 for the Winter 2016 exchanges.

I am regarding this as two separate 'strings to the one bow'.
It might well be possible for openeir to have their promised (100,000) fibre in place by Mar 2017. Heck it might even be possible for the 300,000 to be in place by July 2017 as mentioned above.

That, to me, means little when considering actual connections to premises by eir, which is of course what concerns most people. I expect those connections to take a long time which, I believe, will see some premises actual connections delayed quite some time.

Gonzo

Many people are also just getting frustrated over the lack of information concerning their address or phone number and the difficulty in checking if an when their area might get looked at.

it would put many peoples minds at ease if the line checker was updated for those who go live within 3 months such as 'good news, your line 01-1234xxxx will be activated for Eir Fiber Extreme November 2016, click here to pre-order' etc.

then if your going live within 28 days 'good news,Eir Fiber Extreme will be available on your line 01-1234xxxx from 28th November 2016, click here to order'

This would at least show that you are in line for getting fiber at some stage soon, rather than just looking at a blue line on a map hoping for the best.

The Open Eir mapping is being worked on with a new update, hopefully it will be much easier to see where is being worked on down to individual blue lines and how soon will different lines be activated.

long_b

Encouraging to see some updates on the tracker spreadsheet of at least some work being done around the place.

daraghwal

It was also quite funny when they got in a tech guy to set fibrerollout.ie as the homepage on internet explorer because someone closed the browser. They were like ooooooh ok. That's how to do it...
In fairness yes, they are doing really good work regarding rural fibre but the people sent to the ploughing didn't have a clue.

pegasus1

Gonzo wrote: »

This would at least show that you are in line for getting fiber at some stage soon, rather than just looking at a blue line on a map hoping for the best.

Gonzo, you're getting it sooner than most here, stop with the oh no, I wont be getting it for crimbo..:rolleyes:
I repeat, You're getting it soon, no wait isn't there a small chance that they will pass on by your multi house road that has no blue line on..?
Hah, I think I see where you are coming from...you better get some tay and donuts ready...;)

pegasus1

daraghwal wrote: »

It was also quite funny when they got in a tech guy to set fibrerollout.ie as the homepage on internet explorer because someone closed the browser. They were like ooooooh ok. That's how to do it...
In fairness yes, they are doing really good work regarding rural fibre but the people sent to the ploughing didn't have a clue.

Were they Eir or OpenEir? If the Latter They sure would have a clue...They are there to talk mainly to farmers like, so Hit them with hard questions,I am sure they will keep stum...

Now, there's a word I haven't used in a long time...

ED E

Wasnt there but wouldnt be surprised if they were just outsourced PR.

damienirel

Pat Kenny on newstalk now with an openeir representative from the ploughing.

damienirel

it was Carolan Lennon - same old promotional nonsense - no question on deadlines.
Mentioned that only 1000 homes have FTTH now. But that 300k would get it.
You don't need to be a mathematician to estimate the dates on this rollout are grossly exaggerated.

digiman

99% of the homes will be done within 3 years according to Caroline Lenihan. Let's just say that they can roll out the network to 900k homes in 3 years and there is 25% take up then you need to also connect 333 homes a day. I would think that a lot of these homes will be very difficult to install and could take a couple of days for some homes to be connected and probably on average about 1 day for a lot or private dwelling houses. It's really difficult to see where the manpower is going to come from especially as we are not the only country who are currently doing this as you will also have SIRO doing their plan and with VM also talking fibre in new builds it just doesn't add up to me.

rob808

digiman wrote: »

99% of the homes will be done within 3 years according to Caroline Lenihan. Let's just say that they can roll out the network to 900k homes in 3 years and there is 25% take up then you need to also connect 333 homes a day. I would think that a lot of these homes will be very difficult to install and could take a couple of days for some homes to be connected and probably on average about 1 day for a lot or private dwelling houses. It's really difficult to see where the manpower is going to come from especially as we are not the only country who are currently doing this as you will also have SIRO doing their plan and with VM also talking fibre in new builds it just doesn't add up to me.

The take up will be alot higher than 25% in rural Ireland it be more like 100% since the speeds are slow.It be lower in urban areas that has FTTC and cable were the uptake might be slower.

digiman

rob808 wrote: »

digiman wrote: »

99% of the homes will be done within 3 years according to Caroline Lenihan. Let's just say that they can roll out the network to 900k homes in 3 years and there is 25% take up then you need to also connect 333 homes a day. I would think that a lot of these homes will be very difficult to install and could take a couple of days for some homes to be connected and probably on average about 1 day for a lot or private dwelling houses. It's really difficult to see where the manpower is going to come from especially as we are not the only country who are currently doing this as you will also have SIRO doing their plan and with VM also talking fibre in new builds it just doesn't add up to me.

The take up will be alot higher than 25% in rural Ireland it be more like 100% since the speeds are slow.It be lower in urban areas that has FTTC and cable were the uptake might be slower.

I obviously don't know exactly what it will be, 25% was just to show as an example that even at that rate her numbers are not realistic. But you also have to factor in that people will be tied Into existing contracts with wisps, lots of homes won't see the need for it, some people won't want new cables run into their homes, and there's is an older generation of people who don't have internet already and have no interest at all in it. The rollout also won't be fully complete so 225k connections to fibre in rural Ireland would be huge witching the first 3 years. We will never get to 100% or even close to it in first 3 years, I would think if there was 50% take up it would be a huge success and that means 666 connections a day!!

damienirel

rob808 wrote: »

The take up will be alot higher than 25% in rural Ireland it be more like 100% since the speeds are slow.It be lower in urban areas that has FTTC and cable were the uptake might be slower.

Not a chance I don't live in a particularly rural area - and when I moved here I asked my neighbor was there any better alternative internet provider than eir and dsl? He told sure isn't it grand. He gets the exact same as me about 2.6 mb max. If all people use the internet for is a few emails and facebook. The explosion of netflix in recent times may mean peoples demands have changed slightly. But I'd bet that figure is pretty accurate. Sure loads of people are happy enough to check FB on their phones and not bother having an extra bill coming in.

pegasus1

The Three year fibre rollout is just that....The fibre passing 95% of houses...It does not mean 95% of houses etc physically connected...
When the fibre is rolled past your house, more than likely as most people won't straight away want to be connected and you do, there won't be a delay if doing this....that's how supply and demand is worked out...When flat screens came out everyone didn't run out and buy one....same with anything...It takes time for things to get moving, but when it does...

rob808

digiman wrote: »

I obviously don't know exactly what it will be, 25% was just to show as an example that even at that rate her numbers are not realistic. But you also have to factor in that people will be tied Into existing contracts with wisps, lots of homes won't see the need for it, some people won't want new cables run into their homes, and there's is an older generation of people who don't have internet already and have no interest at all in it. The rollout also won't be fully complete so 225k connections to fibre in rural Ireland would be huge witching the first 3 years. We will never get to 100% or even close to it in first 3 years, I would think if there was 50% take up it would be a huge success and that means 666 connections a day!!

They most like gona leave the connection outside of the home.Then when the customer order it they come out and connect up the home.It true not everyone would know the difference in broadband both urban and rural Ireland mainly old age people,and the difference between DSL and Fibre.The NBP gona take 5 to 6 years so 100% of rural Ireland getting fibre broadband it a long way off.

pegasus1

The 25 year plan is just that 25 years until they see every house etc connected to FTTH as that will be how long they see it...they see that within 25 years everyone will want to be connected as they see that people will definitely need it by then...imo..