Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 Updated Mod Note Post 1

HatchetMan7 · 20-08-2016 03:02AM

I would say that Barry Coughlan is probably the best natural full back in club hurling in Waterford. I'd have to admit though that i was hoping McGrath might try Shane Fives in there last year and put Stephan Daniels corner back. In fairness to Coughlan it couldn't have been easy for him to play 2-3 years with TDB sweeping in front of you and then all of a sudden TDB is back out at centre back. He must have felt very isolated which is not a good feeling when your full back against top quality full forwards. Kilkennys corner forwards were often standing right out by the sideline creating loads of space for Colin Fennelly. I wish that Waterford had a Brian Lohan or Daithi Burke type of player to play full back but we don't and i don't see any obvious alternative at the moment unless as some have said TDB plays there.

seananigans · 20-08-2016 07:24AM

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

I would say that Barry Coughlan is probably the best natural full back in club hurling in Waterford. I'd have to admit though that i was hoping McGrath might try Shane Fives in there last year and put Stephan Daniels corner back. In fairness to Coughlan it couldn't have been easy for him to play 2-3 years with TDB sweeping in front of you and then all of a sudden TDB is back out at centre back. He must have felt very isolated which is not a good feeling when your full back against top quality full forwards. Kilkennys corner forwards were often standing right out by the sideline creating loads of space for Colin Fennelly. I wish that Waterford had a Brian Lohan or Daithi Burke type of player to play full back but we don't and i don't see any obvious alternative at the moment unless as some have said TDB plays there.

You have to factor in Barry and SOK have played together in every team they ever played on , for the guts of 20 years now, through all the grades in ballygunner ,college and inter county,you cant make two players work together better than that

Horseboxhead · 20-08-2016 09:46AM

by stating the obvious i'm having a go a conor Gleeson, jesus stop.
WATCH THE MATCH, he had a cracker the first day, but second day experience cost him,

Walter walsh is having the season of his career though, and would trouble most, i agree though with the above and wonder is it Barry coughlan,? or the full back position you have issues with?,

either way i'm done
with it now,
everything is ****e world's going to end,
your right about everything, now onto the u-21's ,

i see Connor Gleeson is full back.................O Jesus.

PTH2009 · 20-08-2016 03:44PM

Decent enough crowd up here from Waterford. Old stand closed.

seananigans · 20-08-2016 03:58PM

"Y'know it's Waterford, the whole county is the most progessive county in the country at the moment"

Poor Antrim manager already given up but I'd hope they're happy for us right now, we weren't so different 20years ago

TGV · 20-08-2016 04:34PM

What's the score ?

tomwaterford · 20-08-2016 04:35PM

TGV wrote: »

What's the score ?

3.10
To 6pints

PTH2009 · 20-08-2016 04:44PM

Game over now.Antrim not near our level. A bit of a Backward championship

Final on Sat 10th sep in Thurles 6pm. Harvest festival on in Waterford the weekend of 9-11 Sep so there will be a great buzz around the city and county that weekend

Motivator · 20-08-2016 04:59PM

DJ Foran absolutely awful once again. He has been anonymous in a Waterford jersey for 2 years apart from his intermediate performance against Clare. It's like playing with 14 every time he starts.

Fellas calling for him to be involved in the senior set-up would want to get a grip. He's light years away from it.

PTH2009 · 20-08-2016 05:33PM

Easy win in the end. Final will be a completely different ball game. Something to look forward too

ObiwanKenoby · 20-08-2016 06:02PM

Foran had an excellent last 20 mins in fairness. Think he scored four from play. Hopefully this will give the lad the confidence to drive on in the final. Curran showed some sublime touches today. Bennett and Kearney brilliant. The talent there even with the subs that came on is mind boggling for Waterford supporters who aren't used to such riches. Up the Deise!

Deskjockey · 20-08-2016 07:01PM

Motivator wrote: »

DJ Foran absolutely awful once again. He has been anonymous in a Waterford jersey for 2 years apart from his intermediate performance against Clare. It's like playing with 14 every time he starts.

Fellas calling for him to be involved in the senior set-up would want to get a grip. He's light years away from it.

Maybe you should get a name change to Demotivator if that is the only point you can come on here to make after Waterford win an AI semifinal by 25 points or so ...

Potential banana skin avoided, massive score put up, well done to players and management team.

Hslaw · 20-08-2016 07:11PM

Guys just a quick question. My dad was talking to a few local gaa men. And they reckon that the kk keeper took something like 21steps at one point in the match. Just asking the question. I think its complete bull

Motivator · 20-08-2016 08:05PM

Deskjockey wrote: »

Maybe you should get a name change to Demotivator if that is the only point you can come on here to make after Waterford win an AI semifinal by 25 points or so ...

Potential banana skin avoided, massive score put up, well done to players and management team.

I'm calling a spade a spade. He offered nothing for 45 mins, fair enough he got 3 or 4 scores in the last 10 or 15 mins but he was poor again. I'd have Peter Hogan starting ahead of him in the final.

Also, potential banana skin? Are you serious? Obviously it's great for everyone to be back in a final after so many years but there are Junior club teams around the county who are better than Antrim. It was embarrassing to watch them play. Great to be in a final but I feel sorry for Antrim.

cul beag · 21-08-2016 12:27AM

Motivator wrote: »

I'm calling a spade a spade. He offered nothing for 45 mins, fair enough he got 3 or 4 scores in the last 10 or 15 mins but he was poor again. I'd have Peter Hogan starting ahead of him in the final.

Also, potential banana skin? Are you serious? Obviously it's great for everyone to be back in a final after so many years but there are Junior club teams around the county who are better than Antrim. It was embarrassing to watch them play. Great to be in a final but I feel sorry for Antrim.

You are probably right. But then would he offer as much as lets say Shane O Sullivan has in the past two years and he's still classed as an intercounty player?

Motivator · 21-08-2016 01:17AM

cul beag wrote: »

You are probably right. But then would he offer as much as lets say Shane O Sullivan has in the past two years and he's still classed as an intercounty player?

Ray Charles would offer more in a Waterford jersey than Shane

PTH2009 · 21-08-2016 01:39AM

So Galway in the u21 final in 3 weeks time. They look a good team and will not fear us. There extra time victory over Dublin could stand to them.

A lot of supporters think we just have to show up and the cup is ours. It's going to be tough and no way will be a non contest like the Antrim match.

Hopefully a much bigger crowd will attend the final. Just over 4000 there today (We had the biggest crowd by far, Dublin and Galway had small enough crowds, Antrim had less than 70 I'd say).

Ud swear we didn't play as there's not much chat about the game on here

Giveitfong · 21-08-2016 02:32AM

The main benefit to Waterford of this one-sided victory is that it gave five substitutes a decent run-out. I thought that Dermot Ryan looked very impressive when he came on for Austin Gleeson and Jack Fagan showed some good touches. The mentors took quite a risk in starting Shane Bennett after his warm-up ankle injury, but at least they were quick enough whipping him off. It was interesting to see Stephen Bennett starting on the wing with DJ Foran at full forward. I think the team’s scoring threat improved when they switched over in the second half, with Foran adding three points to the one he got in the first half.

It was disappointing to see Waterford players hitting wides from out the field in the second half, given the scoring threat which Stephen Bennett and Patrick Curran provided inside. Also, on several occasions Waterford forwards took tap-over points when if they looked up, there were unmarked Waterford forwards at the edge of the square.

I’m happy that Galway won their semi-final as I think Dublin, with a lot of senior panellists, might have offered a greater challenge in the final. Without playing well, Dublin should still have won the game, but some of their 21 wides were really bad. I thought their three previous championship games would stand to Dublin in extra time, especially in the second period when they had the strong wind behind them. But Galway really dug in and played very well in that closing period. As you would expect, they have a lot of handy hurlers but no real stand-out players, apart perhaps for their captain Brian Molloy. Conor Whelan is their only senior player, but apart from scoring two points and bringing a good save from the Dublin goalie, he didn’t do a whole lot. His form with the Galway seniors has also been poor enough this year – perhaps a case of second-season syndrome after his standout debut season last year. A lot of the Galway team were good at fetching the ball out of the air. They will be no pushover in the final.

Twelve of the Waterford team which started the 2013 minor final also started tonight, although presumably it would have been eleven if Jordan Henley hadn’t been injured. Those missing were Kevin Daly and Cian Leamy (both of whom have been hit by injury) and Adam Farrell, who was a sub tonight and came on in the second half. Conor Gleeson, a sub in 2013, started tonight. The two “new” players were Darragh Lyons and Conor Prunty.

Seven of the Galway team which started in the 2013 final also started tonight – the goalie Cathal Tuohy, fullback Darragh O’Donoghue, centre back Shane Cooney, midfielder Darragh Dolan, half forwards Brian Molloy and Conor Whelan and full forward Eanna Burke. Two more of the 2013 starting team – defender Sylvie Linnane and forward A. Morrissey – came on as subs tonight even though they were not listed in the programme. Two more 2013 starters – corner backs Maidhc Ó Conghaile and Michael Conneely – were listed as subs in tonight’s programme but were not brought on. Two other subs who were brought on tonight (Vincent Doyle and Eamon Brannigan) also came on as subs in the 2013 final.

Thus Galway had eight starting players (corner backs Conor Jennings and Declan Cronin, wing backs Fintan Burke and Seán Loftus, midfielder Dan Nevin, wing forward Kevin McHugo and corner forwards Tom Monaghan and Cian Burke) who had no involvement in the 2013 minor final. Of these, only Nevin and Monaghan (who hit three points) made any impression on me.

The follow-through from minor to Under-21 in the Waterford team is exceptionally high, but then the 2013 minor team was itself exceptional and should have walked the championship that year rather than stumbling to the title. At the time I thought that up to nine of that team was capable of making the grade at senior intercounty level, and although not all have made the step up (at least yet) that would have been an unprecedented number of senior players to get from a single minor team.

Utopia Parkway · 21-08-2016 02:41AM

Giveitfong wrote: »

The main benefit to Waterford of this one-sided victory is that it gave five substitutes a decent run-out. I thought that Dermot Ryan looked very impressive when he came on for Austin Gleeson and Jack Fagan showed some good touches. The mentors took quite a risk in starting Shane Bennett after his warm-up ankle injury, but at least they were quick enough whipping him off. It was interesting to see Stephen Bennett starting on the wing with DJ Foran at full forward. I think the team’s scoring threat improved when they switched over in the second half, with Foran adding three points to the one he got in the first half.

It was disappointing to see Waterford players hitting wides from out the field in the second half, given the scoring threat which Stephen Bennett and Patrick Curran provided inside. Also, on several occasions Waterford forwards took tap-over points when if they looked up, there were unmarked Waterford forwards at the edge of the square.

I’m happy that Galway won their semi-final as I think Dublin, with a lot of senior panellists, might have offered a greater challenge in the final. Without playing well, Dublin should still have won the game, but some of their 21 wides were really bad. I thought their three previous championship games would stand to Dublin in extra time, especially in the second period when they had the strong wind behind them. But Galway really dug in and played very well in that closing period. As you would expect, they have a lot of handy hurlers but no real stand-out players, apart perhaps for their captain Brian Molloy. Conor Whelan is their only senior player, but apart from scoring two points and bringing a good save from the Dublin goalie, he didn’t do a whole lot. His form with the Galway seniors has also been poor enough this year – perhaps a case of second-season syndrome after his standout debut season last year. A lot of the Galway team were good at fetching the ball out of the air. They will be no pushover in the final.

Twelve of the Waterford team which started the 2013 minor final also started tonight, although presumably it would have been eleven if Jordan Henley hadn’t been injured. Those missing were Kevin Daly and Cian Leamy (both of whom have been hit by injury) and Adam Farrell, who was a sub tonight and came on in the second half. Conor Gleeson, a sub in 2013, started tonight. The two “new” players were Darragh Lyons and Conor Prunty.

Seven of the Galway team which started in the 2013 final also started tonight – the goalie Cathal Tuohy, fullback Darragh O’Donoghue, centre back Shane Cooney, midfielder Darragh Dolan, half forwards Brian Molloy and Conor Whelan and full forward Eanna Burke. Two more of the 2013 starting team – defender Sylvie Linnane and forward A. Morrissey – came on as subs tonight even though they were not listed in the programme. Two more 2013 starters – corner backs Maidhc Ó Conghaile and Michael Conneely – were listed as subs in tonight’s programme but were not brought on. Two other subs who were brought on tonight (Vincent Doyle and Eamon Brannigan) also came on as subs in the 2013 final.

Thus Galway had eight starting players (corner backs Conor Jennings and Declan Cronin, wing backs Fintan Burke and Seán Loftus, midfielder Dan Nevin, wing forward Kevin McHugo and corner forwards Tom Monaghan and Cian Burke) who had no involvement in the 2013 minor final. Of these, only Nevin and Monaghan (who hit three points) made any impression on me.

The follow-through from minor to Under-21 in the Waterford team is exceptionally high, but then the 2013 minor team was itself exceptional and should have walked the championship that year rather than stumbling to the title. At the time I thought that up to nine of that team was capable of making the grade at senior intercounty level, and although not all have made the step up (at least yet) that would have been an unprecedented number of senior players to get from a single minor team.

Conor Whelan by early accounts anyway badly damaged his shoulder and won't be available for the final.

cul beag · 21-08-2016 05:20AM

Motivator wrote: »

Ray Charles would offer more in a Waterford jersey than Shane

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Deskjockey · 21-08-2016 08:30AM

Motivator wrote: »

I'm calling a spade a spade. He offered nothing for 45 mins, fair enough he got 3 or 4 scores in the last 10 or 15 mins but he was poor again. I'd have Peter Hogan starting ahead of him in the final.

Also, potential banana skin? Are you serious? Obviously it's great for everyone to be back in a final after so many years but there are Junior club teams around the county who are better than Antrim. It was embarrassing to watch them play. Great to be in a final but I feel sorry for Antrim.

I'm sure Wexford u21s a few years ago thought they just had to turn up against Antrim, and Mt Sion were beaten by Dunloy 13 years ago as well so yeah I'll stand over that comment as a potential banana skin, every game has the potential to take on a life of its own...
Agree Antrim were poor though, they offered nothing
Look you are entitled to your opinion but I do think it's poor form when your first thoughts are to come on here slating various players who have shed blood sweat and tears for the jersey when we have just qualified for a final for the first time in 24 years.

Fred C Dobbs · 21-08-2016 12:42PM

Under age success doesn't automatically translate into Senior AIs (e.g. Limerick and Galway) but there is a progression about Waterford under age hurling that's looks irresistible. There's a great mix to the U21s ; lots of skill, small nippy players allied to some big, powerful ones.

Wasn't at the match but Galway looked ordinary enough on TV ; can see Curran, Devine and Stephen Bennett making hay in the Final, not forgetting another potential masterclass from Gleeson (who never had to get out of 2nd gear yesterday). Crazy that Galway walk straight into semi final and Ulster winners likewise (not the counties fault, I know) and while Antrim surprised Wexford in the past, would it not be better to throw both counties into Leinster with the 2 'provincial' winners meeting in the final itself.

Motivator · 21-08-2016 01:51PM

Deskjockey wrote: »

I'm sure Wexford u21s a few years ago thought they just had to turn up against Antrim, and Mt Sion were beaten by Dunloy 13 years ago as well so yeah I'll stand over that comment as a potential banana skin, every game has the potential to take on a life of its own...
Agree Antrim were poor though, they offered nothing
Look you are entitled to your opinion but I do think it's poor form when your first thoughts are to come on here slating various players who have shed blood sweat and tears for the jersey when we have just qualified for a final for the first time in 24 years.

Should he start in the all Ireland final? Yes or no?

PTH2009 · 21-08-2016 01:52PM

Fred C Dobbs wrote: »

Under age success doesn't automatically translate into Senior AIs (e.g. Limerick and Galway) but there is a progression about Waterford under age hurling that's looks irresistible. There's a great mix to the U21s ; lots of skill, small nippy players allied to some big, powerful ones.

Wasn't at the match but Galway looked ordinary enough on TV ; can see Curran, Devine and Stephen Bennett making hay in the Final, not forgetting another potential masterclass from Gleeson (who never had to get out of 2nd gear yesterday). Crazy that Galway walk straight into semi final and Ulster winners likewise (not the counties fault, I know) and while Antrim surprised Wexford in the past, would it not be better to throw both counties into Leinster with the 2 'provincial' winners meeting in the final itself.

I'd put Galway into Leinster

Have Munster and Ulster championships stay the same

Introduce a backdoor for losing Munster and Leinster finalists

Qf- losing Leinster finalists vs Losing Munster finalist

Semis will contain Munster, Leinster and Ulster champions and Winner of the qf

cornerboy · 21-08-2016 03:41PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

I'd put Galway into Leinster

Have Munster and Ulster championships stay the same

Introduce a backdoor for losing Munster and Leinster finalists

Qf- losing Leinster finalists vs Losing Munster finalist

Semis will contain Munster, Leinster and Ulster champions and Winner of the qf

Theres enough county fixtures without a backdoor in U21. Its less county games we need not more.

KevIRL · 21-08-2016 06:50PM

Which Waterford players do ye think will get an all star? Gleeson for sure, but surely one or two others?

PTH2009 · 21-08-2016 06:54PM

KevIRL wrote: »

Which Waterford players do ye think will get an all star? Gleeson for sure, but surely one or two others?

Jamie Barron and maybe the Brick

hurler on de ditch · 21-08-2016 06:54PM

KevIRL wrote: »

Which Waterford players do ye think will get an all star? Gleeson for sure, but surely one or two others?

J.Barron

mickmackmcgoo · 21-08-2016 06:57PM

KevIRL wrote:

Which Waterford players do ye think will get an all star? Gleeson for sure, but surely one or two others?

The problem is that the 2 teams in the final will usually get around 10 or 11 between them leaving very few for the rest . Galway should get 2. Daithi Burke and maybe Canning. Outside of the top 4 teams there will be nominations aplenty . Players like Lee Chin. Liam Rushe. Tony Kelly etc but can't see anyone outside of top 4 getting them. Aussie is a certainty and we should get 2 others but reckon we will only get one . Any from Brick, Moran. Pauric or Barron. I predict we will get 12 nominations and 2 all stars.

KevIRL · 21-08-2016 07:36PM

I'd agree we'll get 2, possibly 3. Gleeson a shoe in of course

I reckon there is a chance to make a few quid on the other one in the PP market.

Gleeson is 1/100 and unbackable

Next shortest Waterford player is Connors at 4/1 followed by Paudie at 13/2. Moran and Barron both 10/1.

Considering most likely ones are odds on it is a matter of getting the likely Waterford second All Star.

Think that Moran and Barron in the middle are fantastic value at 10/1

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