Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 Updated Mod Note Post 1

cul beag · 24-08-2016 06:58AM

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Well no its not actually one week, it's another 3 weeks. there would be no club game played until the week of the 17th if your logic is anything to go by. The Munster club championships start around mid October and then what you ask the club players to sacrifice the opportunity to compete in that aswell just so the u21s can be wrapped in cotton wool for an extra few weeks. They've already been sitting on their holes all summer waiting to start their championship. If we were in the senior final it might be a different story, but its not and the show must go on. Get a round in this weekend then fair enough give the clubs with the u21 players a free weekend the following weekend. Shur someone can get injured in training just as easy anyway. Always easy to tell who are the genuine gaa people here and the county bandwagoners who don't give a hoot about the clubs (who actually produce all these county players btw)

Add to that the"travelling expenses" of the outside coach that teams are forking out as teams are still expected to train while fixtures are up in the air waiting on the progress or lack of it of our county teams. Young players are going off to America for the summer,missing no games here,and the hierarchy are trying to come up with ways of stopping the exodus instead of putting a proper structure in place here so they at least they find it harder to go. Yes I'm well aware students will want to travel for the summer months but it's definitely alot more easier for them to go now as there's no gaa here to hold them back. An absolutely ludicrous situation and in all honesty the county board are being dictated to by the management of these teams.

seananigans · 24-08-2016 11:31AM

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Well no its not actually one week, it's another 3 weeks. there would be no club game played until the week of the 17th if your logic is anything to go by. The Munster club championships start around mid October and then what you ask the club players to sacrifice the opportunity to compete in that aswell just so the u21s can be wrapped in cotton wool for an extra few weeks. They've already been sitting on their holes all summer waiting to start their championship. If we were in the senior final it might be a different story, but its not and the show must go on. Get a round in this weekend then fair enough give the clubs with the u21 players a free weekend the following weekend. Shur someone can get injured in training just as easy anyway. Always easy to tell who are the genuine gaa people here and the county bandwagoners who don't give a hoot about the clubs (who actually produce all these county players btw)

No, it its being delayed by one week, if there is one round of games being deferred ,therefore the club season would finish only one week later.

cornerboy · 24-08-2016 01:04PM

One week....three weeks, doesnt matter. Now that Waterford are out of the senior championship, the clubs take precedence.

PTH2009 · 24-08-2016 01:40PM

cornerboy wrote: »

One week....three weeks, doesnt matter. Now that Waterford are out of the senior championship, the clubs take precedence.

under 21s are important too

Its an all ireland final at the end of the day (only ever played in 2 finals and the last was 24 years ago) and it would be devastating for a player to miss out due to injury etc

Theres 3 rounds left (r4 is this weekend, R5 and R1) and were out in the munster senior club QF on sunday 23rd Oct in Thurles against the Tipp champions

best of luck to all the players and hopefully no injurys to any player

danganabu · 24-08-2016 02:03PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Theres 3 rounds left (r4 is this weekend, R5 and R1) and were out in the munster senior club QF on sunday 23rd Oct in Thurles against the Tipp champions

Very doubtful that Tipp will have their championship finished in time, 7 rounds to be played still.

tomwaterford · 24-08-2016 06:41PM

seananigans wrote: »

No, it its being delayed by one week, if there is one round of games being deferred ,therefore the club season would finish only one week later.

Delayed one week.....all Ireland the weakend after....AFAIK no games tradionally and the u21 the week after.....easy to see how your one week runs into three

Either way there going ahead

seananigans · 25-08-2016 12:56AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Delayed one week.....all Ireland the weakend after....AFAIK no games tradionally and the u21 the week after.....easy to see how your one week runs into three

Either way there going ahead

run the games on the sat shur, tipp will be well behind regardless, 3 games in 5 weeks isnt a big issue

PTH2009 · 25-08-2016 12:13PM

seananigans wrote: »

run the games on the sat shur, tipp will be well behind regardless, 3 games in 5 weeks isnt a big issue

If the senior hurling final is a draw than there rightly screwed

The semi final loss to Kilkenny is hurting more than ever now as the place would be on cloud nine now.

Read something in the Munster that it would cost too much to put flags up for the under 21 final ???

mickotallow · 25-08-2016 10:39PM

seananigans wrote: »

we're talking one week not 6 months, after that the calender is wide open,this is a once in 24 year opportunity, even most club players should recognise that .

Yea it's one week along with all the other weeks that have turned into months. Club players are treated with no respect in this county. Fellas on here saying that inter-county players should not play a game for their own club a week before an inter-county game( I'm talking about season in general not just the 21's) but the county board will expect club players to play 3 games in 4 weeks. Some at the ridiculous time of 8.30 on a Friday night after a day's work. God help any dual players who could end up playing hurling at the weekend and football mid-week. How is that good for the county when club players will get fed up and walk away. Club players cannot plan holidays with their families without risking missing a game they've trained all year for cos the county board are not strong enough to set out a club fixture timeline and stick to it.

seananigans · 26-08-2016 12:00AM

mickotallow wrote: »

Yea it's one week along with all the other weeks that have turned into months. Club players are treated with no respect in this county. Fellas on here saying that inter-county players should not play a game for their own club a week before an inter-county game( I'm talking about season in general not just the 21's) but the county board will expect club players to play 3 games in 4 weeks. Some at the ridiculous time of 8.30 on a Friday night after a day's work. God help any dual players who could end up playing hurling at the weekend and football mid-week. How is that good for the county when club players will get fed up and walk away. Club players cannot plan holidays with their families without risking missing a game they've trained all year for cos the county board are not strong enough to set out a club fixture timeline and stick to it.

OK confession, im not skillfull enough for hurling, i didn't develop the wrists as a kid , and since i ended up 6 3 and 16 stone i play rugby.

thankfully none of our players will get pulled for leinster or the like, but i understand the frutration, i only have 3 unbooked weekedns before christmas, and if a game gets rescheduled too late ot make plans because of conditions then i lose one of them.

its not that im not sympathetic, i just think as a county, the club players would make the sacrifice for this once in 24 year event , in reality this could have been planned before the antrim game given the odds in our favour and agreed upon, yet it wasnt

deiseach · 26-08-2016 09:29AM

It might only be 'one week', but how many dry weeks are left in 2016? Watching the ball fail to hop off the sponge-like ground on numerous occasions last Saturday, it really brought home that hurling is meant to be a summer sport yet we ask the vast majority of participants to play the game when pitches are like glue pots. It's great that there has been no serious suggestion of postponing these games, and I say that as someone whose main interest is the inter-county scene. A small step towards ensuring club players can look forward to playing lots of games when they are meant to be played and can plan their summer around a fixture list that won't be frequently changed? Probably not where we are going, but the journey of a thousand miles starts with one step.

PTH2009 · 26-08-2016 12:39PM

intercounty scene first for me always

wud people rather we exit the senior intercounty championship early each year so the clubs can play there games ????

The club players seem more than happy to watch there team mates play for Waterford

danganabu · 26-08-2016 02:04PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

intercounty scene first for me always

Unfortunately all inter-county managers and the vast majority of county boards seem to share your sentiments, without of course taking into consideration where the inter-county players actually come from and who developed them.

The current mistreatment and contempt of the ordinary club player is the biggest threat to the GAA right now, not rugby, soccer, sky or whatever else some would have you believe, and its going to come to a head very soon.

A master fixture plan from congress needs to be set in stone from the start of the year and no exceptions, no 13 day rule etc and at least everyone knows then when and when not they are playing.

robopaddy2 · 27-08-2016 12:45AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

intercounty scene first for me always

wud people rather we exit the senior intercounty championship early each year so the clubs can play there games ????

The club players seem more than happy to watch there team mates play for Waterford

I am a ex-club player who emigrated a couple years ago. Honestly the GAA is what was keeping me at home for a good few years, sad as it may sound now. I was on a ****e wage but my summers were spent training for feckall and then nothing to do only down the pub at the weekend. I know a lot of other fellahs were the same. It was all about waiting for Waterford to get beat in the championship so we'd know when we would be playing again honestly it was ****e looking back on it. Of course we used to love going to support Waterford but I realised I was putting my life on hold for nothing. The GAA was all about the elite group of county players. Haven't looked back since. Love me county and all that but won't be home any time soon

robopaddy2 · 27-08-2016 12:46AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

intercounty scene first for me always

wud people rather we exit the senior intercounty championship early each year so the clubs can play there games ????

The club players seem more than happy to watch there team mates play for Waterford

I am a ex-club player who emigrated a couple years ago. Honestly the GAA is what was keeping me at home for a good few years, sad as it may sound now. I was on a ****e wage but my summers were spent training for feckall and then nothing to do only down the pub at the weekend. I know a lot of other fellahs were the same. It was all about waiting for Waterford to get beat in the championship so we'd know when we would be playing again honestly it was ****e looking back on it. Of course we used to love going to support Waterford but I realised I was putting my life on hold for nothing. The GAA was all about the elite group of county players. Haven't looked back since. Love me county and all that but won't be home any time soon

blackcard · 27-08-2016 08:31AM

As a KK man, I would have to side with those who think that the club games should go ahead, the club players have been playing with a certain date in mind and there is plenty of time for U21 players to get ready for their final. I think it is extremely short sighted to prioritise the county players as these club men are going to be the county men of the future. A lot of the club players are going to be asking why do I train for months with a particular day in mind only to have a game deferred. You wouldn't blame lads for upping sticks and heading off to the States. The club game and the people who support the club games, through good times and bad, are the lifeblood of the Gaa.

thesultan · 27-08-2016 11:22AM

Anyone at the games last night.

Giveitfong · 27-08-2016 01:59PM

I was at the games in Fraher Field. Dungarvan romped to a very easy (4-27 to 0-19) win over a game but very limited Ballyduff Upper side. Dungarvan are a very skillful side who can do this to teams who don't put it up to them, although things might be different where they have to fight for every ball. The Curran brothers (minus the injured Cathal) in particular have great mutual understanding and scored 3-16 between them, with Patrick the star of the show with a total of 3-7 (3-4 from play). The latest Curran, John, togged out at wing back and was very effective (I think he might be a minor again next year). Ryan Donnelly had an excellent second half and racked up 1-5. Kieran Power was very strong at centre back and the other wing back, Kenny Moore, hurled a lot of ball. Darragh Lyons limped off towards the end, but hopefully it is nothing serious. Eoghan Murray (0-8, 3 from play) was Ballyduff's leading scorer and could be a useful addition to next year's county under 21 team.

Abbeyside should have won the second game by about 20 points but, as has become familiar to their long-suffering supporters (if they have any left) actually managed to lose it in the closing minutes. Playing very confident and smooth hurling, they were 0-11 to 0-2 up after 15 minutes and it looked like being as one-sided as the first game. Then, possibly presuming they had the game won, their concentration went and their standards dropped, leading to one of the most error-strewn senior hurling games I have ever seen. Two misplaced passes by Conor Prunty gifted Tallow two points, while goalkeeper Stephen Enright dropped a high ball into the square which a Tallow corner forward finished to the net. Enright did the same in the second half, conceding a converted 65. Tallow did up their game considerably and were just one point behind at half time, 0-12 to 1-8.

I would say that Abbeyside had 70% of the play in the second half, with their defence totally in control of a weak Tallow attack, but their own forwards just couldn't score, due to a combination of poor shooting, terrible decision-making, a long series of basic errors and one brilliant save by the Tallow goalkeeper, Brian Henley. Despite this, Abbeyside were still four points ahead (thanks to a well-taken Mark Ferncombe penalty), 1-16 to 1-12, with about two minutes left. Then Tallow corner back and captain Mark O'Brien came up the field to land an excellent point. A minute later Tallow got a free about 50 metres out on the right near the sideline. Although Ryan Gray had been their normal freetaker, Tommy Ryan came out to take this one. He played a ball across field to the inrushing James Murray who buried the ball in the net from 30 metres.

A draw would still have been enough to qualify Abbeyside for the quarter finals, but further disaster followed. From the puckout Tallow again gained possession, and, typical of Abbeyside's legendary ill-discipline, one of their players was needlessly fouled out on the left sideline near the halfway line. Up stepped Ryan Gray to send a marvellous effort over the bar for the winning score, with the game finishing on the puckout.

For Abbeyside, Mark Ferncombe had an excellent game (1-9, 3 from play) before going off, apparently injured, late in the game. Maurice Power gave a powerful defensive performance in the second half while county minor Neil Montgomery also caught the eye with a skillful and hard working performance, including two nice points from play.

Deisegodeo · 27-08-2016 03:04PM

Tony Forristal team beaten by a point by Wexford and are out. Beat Offaly earlier today. Bit unlucky, had chances to beat Wexford, couldnt get enough ball into the dangerous forwards in the full forward line

Deisegodeo · 27-08-2016 03:13PM

Ballygunner had a comfortable win over Portlaw, as expected. Think it finished about to 2-19 to 1-11. Portlaw were brave and aggressive but there was a real gulf in class and the game was over by half time - the pace of the game slowed dramatically in the second half as it petered out to a finish. The Gunners played some quality hurling at times, the fast, low balls to the pacey forwards had Portlaw in trouble from the start.

Probably the most notable thing about this match was the placing of Barry Coughlan at wing back for the entire game, with the outfield Stephen O'Keeffe playing full back for Ballygunner. Coughlan played well too, showed lots of pace and skill at times.

Alf Tupper · 27-08-2016 07:17PM

Any word on Jordan Henley?

I heard he received a nasty injury while training with Tallow and he wasn't playing last night

thesultan · 27-08-2016 09:13PM

Heard he'll do a bit of training this week and hope to be back the following week.

cul beag · 28-08-2016 07:03AM

Very enjoyable game between FMW and Roanmore last night. The city side have definitely improved since last year,there's a togetherness about them and they can be the surprise package this year. Billy Nolan was excellent from placed balls and Gavin O Brien did very well around the middle of the field. I wouldn't fancy meeting them because I can see them taking a big scalp this year. FMW just seem to lack a forward that could turn a game from them but again Barron was excellent all through this game. Both sides will feel they had chances to win it but a draw was probably a fair result.