Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

The blue blaa

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Wasn't there or anything but to be fair Passage are a good team. Was surprised DLS were favourites for that match to be honest.

I completely agree but with the intercounty players that DLS have you'd expect them to beat Passage.
One thing though Passage are an unbelievably spirited team what they lack in skill they make for in heart.

PTH2009

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

There won't be any problem getting tickets for it. How many will be at it ? 12 to 15 thousand I'd say

hope they open 2 stands and not just the new stand like for the semi finals.

Galway wont bring many, expecting a big Waterford crowd

twistables

Was at the game, dls never got going, first touch was poor and never linked up their play. Passage on the other hand were up for it and sharp. Eoin kelly finished off a great well worked goal and added a great point minutes later out by the corner flag.
Dls got the penalty late on but was too late to rally, passage won't be a walk over for anyone.

Deisegodeo

U21 final throw in has been changed to 5pm Saturday 10th Sept

PTH2009

Deisegodeo wrote: »

U21 final throw in has been changed to 5pm Saturday 10th Sept

It was always that time I think ???

There I say it more time for us to get home and have a celebration pints lol

This is going to be a tough 7 days as the build up to the kilkenny vs Tipperary senior final begins and we realise how close we were too been there.

robopaddy2

The blue blaa wrote: »

I completely agree but with the intercounty players that DLS have you'd expect them to beat Passage.
One thing though Passage are an unbelievably spirited team what they lack in skill they make for in heart.

You would think but remember DLS only barely escaped relegation to intermediate last year. Many of those players are not as good as they are made out to be.

Cake Man

Not a great weekend for the underage teams, don't think any of them even made a semi final or final of their respective tournaments. As someone mentioned yesterday, the Tony Forristal team were just pipped by a point by Wexford while the Sonny Walsh team beat KK comfortable but lost by 3 or 4 to Tipp. Not sure how any of the U15 and U16 sides did but, as mentioned, I don't think any got out of their groups. Anyone able to give more info? Or players that stood out?


Also, any more match reports from senior championship? DLS seem to be in serious decline the last 2 or 3 years.

PTH2009

Derek McGrath was on the Sunday game tonight for the final preview. He remind us when asked about the under 21s that underage success doesn't guarantee senior success

Went for Kilkenny in a tight affair next weekend

No mention of his future with us

robopaddy2

Cake Man wrote: »

Not a great weekend for the underage teams, don't think any of them even made a semi final or final of their respective tournaments. As someone mentioned yesterday, the Tony Forristal team were just pipped by a point by Wexford while the Sonny Walsh team beat KK comfortable but lost by 3 or 4 to Tipp. Not sure how any of the U15 and U16 sides did but, as mentioned, I don't think any got out of their groups. Anyone able to give more info? Or players that stood out?


Also, any more match reports from senior championship? DLS seem to be in serious decline the last 2 or 3 years.

Our u15s got to a shield final but were beaten in it by Kerry. Our u16s had a good win over KK but then lost the other 2 games in the group so didn't get out of it. Definitely experiencing a bit of a lull at development squad level after being one of the stronger counties at underage for a period of 7 or 8 years.

One thing to note is Cork look to be on the way back. Looking very strong in these grades expect them to be back competing strongly at minor and u21s over the next few years.

windy shepard henderson

PTH2009 wrote: »

Derek McGrath was on the Sunday game tonight for the final preview. He remind us when asked about the under 21s that underage success doesn't guarantee senior success

Went for Kilkenny in a tight affair next weekend

No mention of his future with us

He is right , we have had an awful lot of promising young players win all irelands and yet fail to make the next jump , guys like oisin o'brien , david fitzgerald and aaron shanagher have made a far bigger impact on the clare senior side and won nothing compered to some of there all ireland wining counterparts ,limerick and galway would be a perfect example too

Waternut

Cake Man wrote: »

Not a great weekend for the underage teams, don't think any of them even made a semi final or final of their respective tournaments. As someone mentioned yesterday, the Tony Forristal team were just pipped by a point by Wexford while the Sonny Walsh team beat KK comfortable but lost by 3 or 4 to Tipp. Not sure how any of the U15 and U16 sides did but, as mentioned, I don't think any got out of their groups. Anyone able to give more info? Or players that stood out?


Also, any more match reports from senior championship? DLS seem to be in serious decline the last 2 or 3 years.

U14 lost to Wexford by a point and Wexford went on to contest the final so not too bad. I believe the U16 either drew or beat Kilkenny and lost to Wexford by a few points, so not so bad either. They are blitz games and so long as were are in contention and not getting beaten badly I'd be happy. It doesn't matter how good an underage team is as potentially one or two or at most three will go on and be up to standard for senior level and I can definitely think of two of three from each age group that have that potential. Cork have definitely got their act together underage. They had a clean sweep at all underage levels last year and pretty much cleaned up this year too (U14-U17)

Who is managing DLS this year? Disappointing result for them against Passage and not taking anything away from Passage, they are a top four team in the championship, but I though after last year debacle, DLS would have sorted themselves out. They have a lot of individual talent. Any match report available?

Cake Man

Yeah I meant to make reference to Cork in those underage tournaments, they've been cleaning up last year and this year so they'll surely start churning out stronger minor and U21 teams in the next few years. Wouldn't see it as a big deal that we're not winning these tournaments, as mentioned it's more about developing players with potential to go onto minor, U21 and senior but no surprise that the strong teams we had in these competitions a few years ago yielded a nice return of top quality players (Gleeson, Bennetts, Gavin O'Brien, Paddy Curran et al).


When is the next round of senior championship?

cul beag

Do remember this lads,we won the Forristal in 07 and of that team we now have 2 from it on our senior squad. Jake Dillon and Gavin O Brien so to be reading too much into these blitzes is not the right approach. Yes we need to be competitive but these competitions aren't the real barometer in which to be gauging our future on. From any u18 or u21 team if you get 3-4 players that improve your senior squad you're doing ok,our successful minor team from 3 years ago is an exception to the rule with probably more than normal coming through from it.

robopaddy2

Being consistently good at underage is important, but you need to be producing quality players to really make it count. You see many successful underage sides, well coached, well drilled and fiercely competitive but without any star names. You need the few lads with that x-factor aswell, the likes of Austin Gleeson or Tony Kelly. Without that genuine quality, underage successes can be false dawns. Galway haven t produced enough quality players from their successful underage teams. Limerick didn t really produce anyone of that calibre from their 3-in-a row u21 side of the early noughties. The jury is still out on a lot of the successful Clare team that did similar recently. We are still progressing we only have 1 minor win and hopefully 1 AI 21 win in a couple of weeks, but that could be it for a while. So hopefully there is the real quality coming through in this group that s needed to transform underage success into senior

Waternut

Waterford's minor team from three years ago wasn't really that much of an exception either. The minor team was made up of lads who were U18 and U17. You had two or three lads from that year who were U18 (Austin, Stephen Bennett and Divine) and another 2 or three who were U17 (Curran, Shane Bennett and Conor Gleeson). Getting 2 or three from each age group is generally pretty good and is what we should be striving for and is what we got from those two years of players. I'm pretty hopeful that at least two lads will come through from last years minor team and hopefully one or two from this years minor team.

Cork and Tipperary will always be strong at these underage tournaments because of the huge numbers playing the game within the county. It's hard for Waterford to compete, but shouldn't mean that we can't produce the type of player need for senior hurling. The schools are important in this respect and it is important that Waterford Schools are regularly playing in White Cup, Dean Ryan and Harty cup competitions.

Cake Man

You could see the minor team from 2013 coming from as far back as 2010 or 2011 I think it was when they won the Tony Forristal handy enough, then I recall a year or two later they won one of the shield competitions U16 so expectations were high with that group. Funny to think though Austin Gleeson played in goal for one of the U14 teams, not sure if it was Tony Forristal or Sonny Walsh and was a relatively unheard of name before he got to minor for Mount Sion.

The schools are important in this respect and it is important that Waterford Schools are regularly playing in White Cup, Dean Ryan and Harty cup competitions.

Whatever about the U14,15 & 16s not winning tournaments, I'd be a little more concerned with the above. Our Harty cup teams haven't been doing too well the last 2-3 years. Not that they've been bet out the gate, they are definitely competitive but struggle to get out of their groups. Granted, it's a very tough competition with all teams packed full of intercounty players but it's no coincidence our 2013 AI minor win came off the back of successful DLS and Dungarvan Colleges sides. Since then, our schools teams have been decent but not spectacular and the same could probably be said about our minor teams since also.

Waternut

I was very critical of DLS School for the last few year but then they got to a Harty semi final, Dean Ryan Final and White Cup final this year. Not too shabby. Blackwater is the only other large hurling school and they lack numbers, drawings from only a handful of clubs in and around the Lismore area. You can't be expecting Blackwater to compete with the likes of DLS, Flannan's, Thurlas or Ard Scoil Ris.

mountgomery burns

PTH2009 wrote: »

Derek McGrath was on the Sunday game tonight for the final preview. He remind us when asked about the under 21s that underage success doesn't guarantee senior success

Went for Kilkenny in a tight affair next weekend

No mention of his future with us

Joanne Cantwell obviously wasn't there to ask him so

Johngoose

Deisegodeo wrote: »

U21 final throw in has been changed to 5pm Saturday 10th Sept

This is a stupid question I'm sure but here goes: Was the u21 final always going to be September 10th? I put Waterford u21 into an accumulator bet at the weekend,might have to wait till this day nxt week to collect.;-)

Road-Hog

Can anyone confirm when, where and what time the u21 final is on? I'm fairly sure it's sat 10th sept in thurles but throw in time is varying from 5pm to 7:30 pm. Can anyone cinfirm

deiseach

Road-Hog wrote: »

Can anyone confirm when, where and what time the u21 final is on? I'm fairly sure it's sat 10th sept in thurles but throw in time is varying from 5pm to 7:30 pm. Can anyone cinfirm

5pm.

Dick phelan

I think KK have shown that you really don't need a superstar team at minor or under 21 to be successful, We've had an exceptional bunch of players come through and make the step up from minor recently but that's not the norm, If you can get 3 lads a year off your under 21 panel who are able to make the step up that's pretty good likewise a handful of quality minor hurlers making the jump in level is good. I'ts unreal the number of lads we've had come through of late.

PTH2009

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unreserved seating and both stands open

culbaire

Waternut wrote: »

I was very critical of DLS School for the last few year but then they got to a Harty semi final, Dean Ryan Final and White Cup final this year. Not too shabby. Blackwater is the only other large hurling school and they lack numbers, drawings from only a handful of clubs in and around the Lismore area. You can't be expecting Blackwater to compete with the likes of DLS, Flannan's, Thurlas or Ard Scoil Ris.

Blackwater School has had more than its fair share of talented players in the last five years. Blackwater also draws players from parts of East Cork. Maybe you should ask why it has failed to win as much as one Harty Cup?

thesultan

Could someone put up the De la salle and colaiste Deise teams that won all Ireland's?

culbaire

thesultan wrote: »

Could someone put up the De la salle and colaiste Deise teams that won all Ireland's?

Harty Cup winners 2012:
COLÁISTE NA DÉISE: E Kearns (St Mary’s); K Looby (St Oliver’s), T Tobin (St Mary’s), S O’Donovan (Modeligo); E Collins (Abbeyside), T Devine (Modeligo), T Burke (Clashmore); C Dunford (Colligan), Cormac Curran (Brickey Rangers); R Donnelly (Dungarvan), M Harney (Bunmahon), K Power (Kilrossanty); M Kiely (St Mary’s), Cathal Curran (Dungarvan), P Curran (Dungarvan).
Croke Cup Final victors 2013.
DUNGARVAN COLLEGES: Laurence Power (Abbeyside); Michael Cronin (St Olivers), Brian Looby (Abbeyside), Keelan Looby (Ardmore); Tom Devine (Modeligo), Kevin Daly (Dungarvan), Tadhg Burke (Clashmore/Kinsalebeg); Cormac Curran (Brickey Rangers), Colin Dunford (Colligan Emmets); Cristoir Breathnach (An Rinn), Michael Harney (Bunmahon), Seamus Keating (Ardmore); Darragh Lyons (Dungarvan), Ryan Donnelly (Dungarvan), Patrick Curran (Dungarvan).

hurler on de ditch

culbaire wrote: »

Harty Cup winners 2012:
COLÁISTE NA DÉISE: E Kearns (St Mary’s); K Looby (St Oliver’s), T Tobin (St Mary’s), S O’Donovan (Modeligo); E Collins (Abbeyside), T Devine (Modeligo), T Burke (Clashmore); C Dunford (Colligan), Cormac Curran (Brickey Rangers); R Donnelly (Dungarvan), M Harney (Bunmahon), K Power (Kilrossanty); M Kiely (St Mary’s), Cathal Curran (Dungarvan), P Curran (Dungarvan).

Fair Team all the same ,

dubcat51

Can anyone tell me why mahony went for a jab lift on rhe last free against kk.he roll lifted all rhe orher frees.maybe nerves or he thought he needed extra distance.

robopaddy2

culbaire wrote: »

Blackwater School has had more than its fair share of talented players in the last five years. Blackwater also draws players from parts of East Cork. Maybe you should ask why it has failed to win as much as one Harty Cup?

They won the Dean Ryan in 2011 which is the u16 equivalent. A fair achievement for a small school. The following year fair enough they didn't get out of the group in the Harty, they got a fierce tough group, very lobsided with 3 or the 4 heavy-weights all in the one group. Aswell as that Stephen Bennett missed a lot of colleges hurling due to hip problems. In 2013 they were pipped by that Dungarvan colleges in the quarter finals who don't forget were an amalgamated team so no shame in that.
The only Cork lads I remember them having were Shane O'Brien (Cork minor captain) and Ring from Fermoy who was the principals own son. Other than that, very little East Cork influence. Small pick of 5 or 6 clubs max and don't forget many from the far west go to Colman's of Fermoy aswell. You seem very quick to draw conclusions

thesultan

Many of the far west used to go to colmans not anymore(no bus).