Philip Cairns' Murder finally confirmed?

Going Forward · 30-06-2016 02:08PM

kbannon wrote: »

I wasn't thinking Cooke. It had occurred that if Fr. Cleary had been given the tape (as brooke 2 had said) as he worked in the station, could he be a suspect?
He had grey curly hair in his later years. No idea if he had a car or what colour it was.
Being a priest would have meant that the religious young Philip would have trusted him.
Another line of enquiry?

I think the whole Cooke thing is a load of codswallop.

brooke 2 · 30-06-2016 02:10PM

Means Of Escape wrote: »

Michael Cleary in the mix ?
The mind boggles

Again birds of a feather
Time to pull the files in Dr Martins palace .

Cleary was more than in the mix! He actually spoke up for Cooke after he was accused of abusing girls and insisted there was no truth in the rumours.

Stasi 2.0 · 30-06-2016 02:38PM

Going Forward wrote: »

I think the whole Cooke thing is a load of codswallop.

Was sceptical myself at first but not so sure now remember a lot of people were sceptical for decades about the child abuse allegations or that his "interests" included boys. A lot of codswallop is being spouted in the media though. Suspect the links with Saville might be exaggerated.

LorMal · 30-06-2016 02:39PM

brooke 2 wrote: »

Cleary was more than in the mix! He actually spoke up for Cooke after he was accused of abusing girls and insisted there was no truth in the rumours.

He was another nasty little ****er. Gay Byrne used to allow him to pontificate on the Late Late and he had an incredibly high profile at one stage.
I would not be at all surprised if he was involved in dark acts. Didnt he help pay off one of Cookes victims - bought the parents silence with money and intimidation. Evil ponce.

LorMal · 30-06-2016 02:53PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZVbmHlV_jc

Means Of Escape · 30-06-2016 03:33PM

LorMal wrote: »

He was another nasty little ****er. Gay Byrne used to allow him to pontificate on the Late Late and he had an incredibly high profile at one stage.
I would not be at all surprised if he was involved in dark acts. Didnt he help pay off one of Cookes victims - bought the parents silence with money and intimidation. Evil ponce.

"Got any proof?"

brooke 2 · 30-06-2016 04:27PM

LorMal wrote: »

He was another nasty little ****er. Gay Byrne used to allow him to pontificate on the Late Late and he had an incredibly high profile at one stage.
I would not be at all surprised if he was involved in dark acts. Didnt he help pay off one of Cookes victims - bought the parents silence with money and intimidation. Evil ponce.

'Show me your company............'

Cooke was friendly with Bill Carney, another paedophile priest, who died in jail. Several of
Cleary's pals in The Singing Priests were paedophiles. At least one served with Cleary in Ballyfermot. The whole place seems to have been a cesspit!

As a matter of interest, Carney was involved with the scouts in the Tallaght area. Could Philip Cairns have encountered him in those circles, I wonder?

Ted111 · 30-06-2016 04:36PM

The documentary and various media reports contain all these vague remarks of what people thought of him. In the 70s and early 80s.

They go along the lines of -

"Everyone knew what he was up to"
"There was obviously something wrong"
"Everyone knew what was going on"

It's important to know what these people mean because depending on what they mean non action on their part was straight up Criminal. They would basically be accessories not to mention it being morally reprehensible to do nothing. Were the victims parents informed? Were the authorities/gardai informed? If so what did the gardai do?

1. Was he creeping on girls, leering, inappropriate comments.

2. Was he Groping, frisky, brushing up against.

3. Serious sexually assaulting.

4. Rape.

For every person in this documentary that made such a comment - "everyone knew what was going on", they should have to provide a full account of what they meant. Who do they mean by everybody. What did everybody know. ***What did they themselves know? What did they themselves do about it?***

And I don't want to hear any horse sh1t about mutinys. They weren't sailing with Captain Bligh on her majesty's Bounty. They may or may not have been aware of child abuse and it needs to be clarified whether they were or not and who they reported it to. Leaving your job doesn't cut it.

The documentary was unable to inform when the first complaint was made against Cooke. Who was the first victim that went to Gardai. And what happened. And how many more, each subsequent case what happened. If "everybody" knew what was going on then did any parents or others take matters into their own hands. Because that's exactly what you would expect.

Going Forward · 30-06-2016 04:46PM

brooke 2 wrote: »

'Show me your company............'

Cooke was friendly with Bill Carney, another paedophile priest, who died in jail. Several of
Cleary's pals in The Singing Priests were paedophiles. At least one served with Cleary in Ballyfermot. The whole place seems to have been a cesspit!

As a matter of interest, Carney was involved with the scouts in the Tallaght area. Could Philip Cairns have encountered him in those circles, I wonder?

Philip was in the scouts according to the article on broadsheet.

Separately Fr. Sean Fortune in Wexford was also interested in scout groups. And swimming.

30-06-2016 04:56PM

Abused daughter of Eamon Cooke speaks out on Philip Cairns claims: 'My father would abuse any child...but I don't think he killed Philip'

Irish Mirror, 30 June 2016

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/abused-daughter-eamon-cooke-speaks-8313538

Stasi 2.0 · 30-06-2016 04:58PM

For someone who claims to have been a victim of his she seems very keen to defend him.

This "respect for the dead" bolix was brought up by a mod on a pirate radio board. The ****er had plenty opportunity to defend himself on several occasions in a court of law
http://members7.boardhost.com/PirateRadio/

"Ted111 wrote: »

"" depending on what they mean non action on their part was straight up Criminal. They would basically be accessories not to mention it being morally reprehensible to do nothing,they should have to provide a full account of what they meant. Who do they mean by everybody. What did everybody know. ***What did they themselves know? What did they themselves do about it?***.

Mandatory reporting is a fairly recent legal development and may not even have been applicable here. There was no such thing in 1978 and Cookes knack for intimidating witnesses mustnt be under estimated.

Ted111 · 30-06-2016 05:19PM

Stasi 2.0 wrote: »

Mandatory reporting is a fairly recent legal development and may not even have been applicable here. There was no such thing in 1978 and Cookes knack for intimidating witnesses mustnt be under estimated.

Mandatory Reporting is something for state agencies in the modern era.

Being an accessory after the fact to a felony, which includes acts of omission, is an offense at Common Law - in any era.

You're missing my point anyway. I don't want Radio Dublin DJ's charged. I would like a detailed clarification on what they knew or believed exactly. As I suspect the TV3 documentary is misrepresenting this for dramatic value. I mention their legal culpability to stress the importance of an accurate and truthful representation of Cookes position in the 70's and what his colleagues knew of him and what the authorities knew of him.

It's clear that by the mid eighties allegations had been made to the authorities and court cases initiated. I think the documentary may not have been accurate on his earlier known profile.

Means Of Escape · 30-06-2016 05:31PM

The fact that the Gardai put up with Cookes' Steve Mc Garret bs speaks volumes

twill · 30-06-2016 05:40PM

Stasi 2.0 wrote: »

For someone who claims to have been a victim of his she seems very keen to defend him.

Claims? Good to know that victims' credibility depends on their not rocking the boat.

She says Cooke had Alzheimer's and would not have been able to tell the Gardai what they say he did. This is a serious allegation.

Allyall · 30-06-2016 05:41PM

I don't believe his daughter would know what he was or wasn't capable of. She was only 9 when he went to prison, and he was in the hospice the next time, apart from the once she saw him in prison.
I think it's a misguided loyalty.

Another victim in the same paper:

“Eamon Cooke was the most vile, evil, violent psychopathic individual you are ever likely to meet.

“He had no conscience and yes he had it in him.

“I don’t know whether he did kill Philip Cairns or not but I know he certainly had it in him.”

Stasi 2.0 · 30-06-2016 05:48PM

There is a recording of Cookes mutiny broadcast without the popup spam on the dxarchive site.

twill wrote: »

Claims? Good to know that victims' credibility depends on their not rocking the boat.

Why would a victim visit him, defend him or demand "respect for the dead" ? Many people were so intimidated by Cooke they fled town -some left the country.

If she is a victim she seems to be suffering an extreme case of Stockholm/battered wife syndrome ?

LorMal · 30-06-2016 09:31PM

Parent child bond is incredibly strong. Children love unconditionally. Please do not judge her for this - it is perfectly natural.

Stasi 2.0 · 30-06-2016 11:02PM

LorMal wrote: »

Please do not judge her for this - it is perfectly natural.

There is a difference between judging someone and pointing out that theyre talking ****e.

Means Of Escape · 30-06-2016 11:16PM

Stasi 2.0 wrote: »

There is a difference between judging someone and pointing out that theyre talking ****e.

When this post opened your head would have been taken clean off if you had posted that
Anyone who questioned the timing of the revelations were jumped upon by s few misguided individuals .
Happily the same crowd have calmed down having realised that the revelations were too little too late and non productive as a result .

LorMal · 01-07-2016 05:23AM

Stasi 2.0 wrote: »

There is a difference between judging someone and pointing out that theyre talking ****e.

Not really.

Means Of Escape · 01-07-2016 09:26AM

andekwarhola wrote: »

It's easy to take out the pitchforks for her and quite understandable, but nobody knows the background. She may have even been a victim of him and afraid or in receipt of the kind of circumstantial witness information that she mistakenly feared she may be implicated erroneously.

Probably best not to jump to conclusions. Some of the posts here are completely OTT.

3 weeks ago.
Defending the indefensible

30 YEARS too late
Nothing new
People were rightly annoyed about it
Yet those who vented the annoyance were classed as unsympathetic pitchfork wielding morons

Sympathy for the Cairns family and relatives .

Allyall · 01-07-2016 09:32AM

The Mirror headline is "I'm sorry for what I did to Philip"
Alleging that a letter has been found in one of Cookes lockups.

EDIT - It's online now, couldn't find it ealier.
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/sorry-what-philip-gardai-investigating-8321037

Also reported here
http://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/philip-cairns-missing-sorry-what-11551067

'Sorry for what I did to Philip': Gardai investigating note stashed in paedophile Eamon Cooke's lock-up

It has been claimed that a handwritten letter found in a Dublin lock-up was handed to gardai by a Cooke family member two days after the 79-year-old died in a hospice last month.

It’s understood detectives investigating the cold case are now trying to determine if the note, which states its author was “sorry for what I did to Philip”, was referring to the 13-year-old who disappeared three decades ago.

A source close to the Cooke family told the Irish Mirror that along with the note, hundreds of video tapes, mini discs and documents were also found in the storage unit in West Dublin.
Missing schoolboy Philip Cairns

The source said: “A member of his family came across one of his storage units and they were going through it and came across a letter that said ‘Sorry to Phillip for everything that happened’.

“It said Philip used to love maths and geography in school and how much he loved his trips to the radio station.

“He was saying ‘his son Philip’ in parts of the letter but he never had a son called Philip.

“It was written in 2004 or 2005. The second the person realised what it was they handed it over to gardai.

“There was no address on it. It was just a handwritten note he wrote in prison.

“It’s believed he may have placed it in the storage unit after he was released after his first abuse case collapsed or when he was out on bail following the charges.

“The letter was found two days after the story came out about him being connected to Philip, a couple of days after he died.

“The storage unit in West Dublin was one of those 24-hour places. Everything in there was given to the gardai. There were also hundreds upon hundreds of video tapes, mini discs, voice recorders found that would take years to go through.

“He would have put stuff into it when he was released on bail or when he had his conviction overturned it’s believed.”

Means Of Escape · 01-07-2016 09:43AM

Allyall wrote: »

The Mirror headline is "I'm sorry for what I did to Philip"
Alleging that a letter has been found in one of Cookes lockups.

EDIT - It's online now, couldn't find it ealier.
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/sorry-what-philip-gardai-investigating-8321037

Also reported here
http://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/philip-cairns-missing-sorry-what-11551067

Too little too late .
"Accused"is dead.
No body.
No case .

Fleawuss · 01-07-2016 10:10AM

Allyall wrote: »

The Mirror headline is "I'm sorry for what I did to Philip"
Alleging that a letter has been found in one of Cookes lockups.

EDIT - It's online now, couldn't find it ealier.
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/sorry-what-philip-gardai-investigating-8321037

Also reported here
http://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/philip-cairns-missing-sorry-what-11551067

Extraordinary development. If this is true and the note is legitimate then the Cooke link is clearly made. A lot of other questions might emerge but at least the Cairns family would have some peace. There have been so many twists in the story that you just never know.

Stasi 2.0 · 01-07-2016 10:11AM

Means Of Escape wrote: »

Too little too late .
"Accused"is dead.
No body.
No case .

If the stories about a pedophile ring are true other members may still be alive ?

Allyall · 01-07-2016 10:19AM

Means Of Escape wrote: »

Too little too late .
"Accused"is dead.
No body.
No case .

If it turns out to be true, it will be peace of mind for Philips family.

Means Of Escape · 01-07-2016 10:49AM

Allyall wrote: »

If it turns out to be true, it will be peace of mind for Philips family.

30 years too late
No peace of mind
They knew he was gone but had to endure 30 years not knowing exactly what happened .

Pure psychological torture

Even if the authorities find a detailed map in Cookes belongings it matters not ..

Stasi 2.0 · 01-07-2016 12:14PM

LorMal wrote: »

Not really.

Yes really.

Shes talking shyte

There may be valid reasons why shes talking shyte (both you and I have offered possible explanations)

But nevertheless she is talking shyte.

Allyall · 01-07-2016 12:21PM

To be fair, she's struggling to come to all sorts of terms with what is happening around her. Having been abused by him as a very young child, and then he was arrested and put in prison by the time she was 9.
She would have all sorts of mixed memories of him, especially not being as old as his other children. Then to find out he was dying, and it's less than a month later.

I don't think she's talking shíte, more like a daughter grieving her father no matter how vile he may have been to the rest of the world. I also doubt she went to the paper, more likely someone pestered her for a quote, especially that rag.

Means Of Escape · 01-07-2016 12:43PM

Allyall wrote: »

To be fair, she's struggling to come to all sorts of terms with what is happening around her. Having been abused by him as a very young child, and then he was arrested and put in prison by the time she was 9.
She would have all sorts of mixed memories of him, especially not being as old as his other children. Then to find out he was dying, and it's less than a month later.

I don't think she's talking shíte, more like a daughter grieving her father no matter how vile he may have been to the rest of the world. I also doubt she went to the paper, more likely someone pestered her for a quote, especially that rag.

And told no one about what she saw ?
Don't buy it
I believe others knew and also said nothing
In fact she probably knows everything as to what happened to the boy
Offering piecemeal information to clear a guilty conscience knowing that fa will ever be able to be done about it now .
To hell with others attitude .
Selfish
An anonymous tip years ago was all it would have taken to have prevented 30
years of misery for a family ,time lost in searches and appeals and fruitless efforts

Philip Cairns' Murder finally confirmed?

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