Philip Cairns' Murder finally confirmed?

evolving_doors · 29-06-2016 07:42PM

Fuzzy Clam wrote: »

I've uploaded a recording of Cooke on Radio Dublin following the mutiny in 1978.
The entire tape is an interesting insight into the way he viewed people who had left his station but what is of special interest is what he says at from 6.55 minutes into the tape and also at 9.35 mins.
http://www64.zippyshare.com/v/KYOLG30K/file.html

What does he say? I've a shgt phone.

Allyall · 29-06-2016 07:58PM

*shudder*
UGH... He's a F**KING CREEP... His voice, and he says things with such complacency..

:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Gebgbegb wrote: »

What does he say? I've a shgt phone.

I've re-upped the same clip to a streaming service - http://vocaroo.com/i/s00fYvIAZmwQ

He refers to "2 little girls" (2 girls that worked in the station) and says that he's "unlikely to bite" whoever is responsible for manufacturing a tape and bringing it to the local Priest.

LorMal · 29-06-2016 08:00PM

Allyall wrote: »

*shudder*
UGH... He's a F**KING CREEP... His voice, and he says things with such complacency..

:mad::mad::mad::mad:

I've re-upped the same clip to a streaming service - http://vocaroo.com/i/s00fYvIAZmwQ

A complete lunatic - narcissistic megalomaniac.

Allyall · 29-06-2016 08:08PM

Listening to the whole thing, he says that the two girls were paid to manufacture a tape, and also starts telling them he found the bugs that they planted.

It's more disgusting with hindsight. I can't imagine what those people thought was their next move.

"If the two girls don't come down to Radio Dublin and provide and explanation, there will be serious consequences."

"You've got me at last? Unfortunately, there's no way, at present. I know what I'm dealing with now".

The priest must have gone to Cooke and given him the tape. :mad:

I wonder what he said on Sundays show. I downloaded the archives from that DX archive site, but they didn't work for me for some reason.

LorMal · 29-06-2016 08:09PM

Fleawuss wrote: »

O'Callaghans Facebook if you haven't been is worth a look. He also claims that Cooke had Alzheimer's.

His facebook page is just bizarre. For example....

It's time just for now to let the memory of Philip Cairns rest with this poignant photograph of him doing what he loved, namely fishing with his father. It was his favourite past-time. He adored heading off with Phil, his dad, for a weekend of fishing.

This from a man who NEVER met Philip.

And this...

I believe this case could have been solved many years ago if the cover-up that prevails hadn't been tolerated for so long. Sadly too many gullible people are prepared to read much of what's written in the newspapers (and online) and simply just accept without any questions that it's true because the 'so-called' authorities say it is.

...without any evidence of a cover up whatsoever.

Attention seeking gob****e.

Fleawuss · 29-06-2016 08:11PM

Looking at the pictures on O'Callaghans website of two separate Gardai handling the bag, the possibility of the people who found it handling it, the unknown number (possibly zero but possibly more) of people who handled it in between finding and storage and the manner in which it was stored means chances of retrieving evidence is slight. Even so, if DNA links Cooke or witnesses then that will be final. If it doesn't then this case will remain to be probed.

Allyall · 29-06-2016 08:13PM

Fleawuss wrote: »

Looking at the pictures on O'Callaghans website of two separate Gardai handling the bag, the possibility of the people who found it handling it, the unknown number (possibly zero but possibly more) of people who handled it in between finding and storage and the manner in which it was stored means chances of retrieving evidence is slight. Even so, if DNA links Cooke or witnesses then that will be final. If it doesn't then this case will remain to be probed.

Someone pointed out a page or so back, that those photos were taken during a reconstruction, so it's unlikely that's Philips bag.

LorMal · 29-06-2016 08:14PM

Fleawuss wrote: »

Looking at the pictures on O'Callaghans website of two separate Gardai handling the bag, the possibility of the people who found it handling it, the unknown number (possibly zero but possibly more) of people who handled it in between finding and storage and the manner in which it was stored means chances of retrieving evidence is slight. Even so, if DNA links Cooke or witnesses then that will be final. If it doesn't then this case will remain to be probed.

There was a reenactment. I think the pictures of the police handling the bag were publicity pics using a replica bag.

Fleawuss · 29-06-2016 08:21PM

LorMal wrote: »

There was a reenactment. I think the pictures of the police handling the bag were publicity pics using a replica bag.

Hope so.

Going Forward · 29-06-2016 09:59PM

LorMal wrote: »

There was a reenactment. I think the pictures of the police handling the bag were publicity pics using a replica bag.

It may have been a replica, but the original bag couldn't have been treated back then as it would be today.

DNA testing was in its infancy in 1985 and fingerprints were not possible to lift from fabric so I doubt if it had been stored or handled particularly well as the importance of doing so might not have been understood in the initial years.

Even today cross checking DNA that may have been inadvertently added to the bag could be a nightmare.

But hopefully it'll deliver something.

Going Forward · 29-06-2016 10:02PM

LorMal wrote: »

His facebook page is just bizarre. For example....

It's time just for now to let the memory of Philip Cairns rest with this poignant photograph of him doing what he loved, namely fishing with his father. It was his favourite past-time. He adored heading off with Phil, his dad, for a weekend of fishing.

This from a man who NEVER met Philip.

And this...

I believe this case could have been solved many years ago if the cover-up that prevails hadn't been tolerated for so long. Sadly too many gullible people are prepared to read much of what's written in the newspapers (and online) and simply just accept without any questions that it's true because the 'so-called' authorities say it is.

...without any evidence of a cover up whatsoever.

Attention seeking gob****e.

What's his motivation?

He doesn't seem to want Cooke to be the suspect, has he been more specific as to who he suspects at all?

Fleawuss · 29-06-2016 10:35PM

Going Forward wrote: »

What's his motivation?

He doesn't seem to want Cooke to be the suspect, has he been more specific as to who he suspects at all?

On his FB page he believes a local connection. Interestingly the retired CS on TV3 went to the trouble of pointing out that Cooke had a place in Tallaght: near enough. GOC in fairness to him acknowledges someone told him that Cooke also abused boys.

Like a lot of people who look at the case from outside there are a few clear possibilities. The claims of the women add a different dimension and tying the two together is difficult.

Allyall · 30-06-2016 12:15AM

GOC's a twat.
The less attention he gets, the better.

tylercheribini · 30-06-2016 12:41AM

A sad indictment of the times, people trusting a priest with the tape. If anything he prob knocked one out to it.

Esel · 30-06-2016 01:02AM

tylercheribini wrote: »

A sad indictment of the times, people trusting a priest with the tape. If anything he prob knocked one out to it.

Unless it was a videotape, I don't think so. Sure the audio tapes from the confession box would beat that hands down...

Means Of Escape · 30-06-2016 01:07AM

Going Forward wrote: »

It may have been a replica, but the original bag couldn't have been treated back then as it would be today.

DNA testing was in its infancy in 1985 and fingerprints were not possible to lift from fabric so I doubt if it had been stored or handled particularly well as the importance of doing so might not have been understood in the initial years.

Even today cross checking DNA that may have been inadvertently added to the bag could be a nightmare.

But hopefully it'll deliver something.

And then what ?
No body no case.
Too late

amdublin · 30-06-2016 07:29AM

Going Forward wrote: »

It may have been a replica, but the original bag couldn't have been treated back then as it would be today.

DNA testing was in its infancy in 1985 and fingerprints were not possible to lift from fabric so I doubt if it had been stored or handled particularly well as the importance of doing so might not have been understood in the initial years.

Even today cross checking DNA that may have been inadvertently added to the bag could be a nightmare.

But hopefully it'll deliver something.

Completely agree re the storing and handling of the bag over the last 30 years. Something stored now, for the next 30 years might be ok. But now, back 30 years is a different story altogether.

Don't think we should pin hopes on DNA on the bag giving any clues, let alone solving.

Stasi 2.0 · 30-06-2016 11:21AM

tylercheribini wrote: »

A sad indictment of the times, people trusting a priest with the tape. If anything he prob knocked one out to it.

Did Dillon not think of making a copy of the tape before handing it over ? According to "Playing in the Dark" Cooke claimed the tape was passed on to him although the Cops never found it when they searched his place although its likely there were thousands of tapes there and it was a case of not being able to identify the specific one. Its also likely that Cooke owned more than one car as his habit of hording junk in various states of repair probably extended to vehicles.

When Cookes gaff was ransacked during the "mutiny" incriminating photo's were found. What happened to these?

Much is being made of Cooke's facination with digging holes but this may have been for the sole purpose of securing the equipment from theift/vandalism as there were a couple of spates of such activities -mostly initiated by Cooke himself.

brooke 2 · 30-06-2016 12:30PM

Going Forward wrote: »

What's his motivation?

He doesn't seem to want Cooke to be the suspect, has he been more specific as to who he suspects at all?

It is interesting that O'Callaghan went to work with Cooke after the mutiny by the other DJs. Heard him on Joe Duffy weeks ago denying that he had ever heard the rumours about Cooke. Incredible. :mad:

brooke 2 · 30-06-2016 12:35PM

Allyall wrote: »

GOC's a twat.
The less attention he gets, the better.

Trying to deflect from Cooke, as he was bound to have known something of what was going on. His denial of ANY knowledge of Cooke's abuse seems rather
suspicious to me.

brooke 2 · 30-06-2016 12:38PM

tylercheribini wrote: »

A sad indictment of the times, people trusting a priest with the tape. If anything he prob knocked one out to it.

Did the priest not give the tape to Michael Cleary to show it to Cooke?
Cleary did a night slot on Radio Dublin at the time.

Seth Brundle · 30-06-2016 12:48PM

brooke 2 wrote: »

Did the priest not give the tape to Michael Cleary to show it to Cooke?

Really?
Didn't the witness see a young fella get into a car with a man with curly grey hair? What colour car did the good father have?

Stasi 2.0 · 30-06-2016 01:05PM

brooke 2 wrote: »

It is interesting that O'Callaghan went to work with Cooke after the mutiny by the other DJs. Heard him on Joe Duffy weeks ago denying that he had ever heard the rumours about Cooke. Incredible. :mad:

A lot of people did work for Cooke post mutiny (some of the Mutineers even returned to work for him) in spite of hearing the roumers. The fact that he had never been questioned (letalone arrested) about the allegations made his denials seem credible and it seemed reasonable to give him the benefit of the doubt (despite other highly questionable aspects of his behaviour) but its hard to imagine anyone being completely unaware of the allegations.

The theory that Cooke was only interested in girls is debunked in "Playing in the dark" he was arrested in the late 1990's in relation to allegations concerning a boy but the victim subsequently withdrew his statement.

brooke 2 · 30-06-2016 01:17PM

kbannon wrote: »

Really?
Didn't the witness see a young fella get into a car with a man with curly grey hair? What colour car did the good father have?

Did not make that connection. Might explain why that tip off was not followed up. Although, most people would have known Michael Cleary at the time!

brooke 2 · 30-06-2016 01:20PM

Stasi 2.0 wrote: »

A lot of people did work for Cooke post mutiny (some of the Mutineers even returned to work for him) in spite of hearing the roumers. The fact that he had never been questioned (letalone arrested) about the allegations made his denials seem credible and it seemed reasonable to give him the benefit of the doubt (despite other highly questionable aspects of his behaviour) but its hard to imagine anyone being completely unaware of the allegations.

The theory that Cooke was only interested in girls is debunked in "Playing in the dark" he was arrested in the late 1990's in relation to allegations concerning a boy but the victim subsequently withdrew his statement.

What is intriguing about O'Callaghan is that he totally denies that he had
heard anything about those rumours.

Stasi 2.0 · 30-06-2016 01:22PM

Also worth mentioning that there were three mutiny's one in 1978 one in the late 90's and the final one in 2003.

Its hard to imagine how anyone with an interest (be it professional or as an enthusiast) in Dublin's pirate radio scene wouldnt have heard something?

Means Of Escape · 30-06-2016 01:28PM

brooke 2 wrote: »

Did the priest not give the tape to Michael Cleary to show it to Cooke?
Cleary did a night slot on Radio Dublin at the time.

Michael Cleary in the mix ?
The mind boggles

Again birds of a feather
Time to pull the files in Dr Martins palace .

Means Of Escape · 30-06-2016 01:29PM

brooke 2 wrote: »

Did the priest not give the tape to Michael Cleary to show it to Cooke?
Cleary did a night slot on Radio Dublin at the time.

Michael Cleary in the mix ?
The mind boggles

Again birds of a feather
Time to pull the files in Dr Martins palace .

Going Forward · 30-06-2016 01:40PM

kbannon wrote: »

Really?
Didn't the witness see a young fella get into a car with a man with curly grey hair? What colour car did the good father have?

It wasn't a white Jag with Radio Dublin on the side of it anyway.

Here's a picture of Cooke in 1986.

Hard to determine his hair colour. Doesn't look curly though.

Seth Brundle · 30-06-2016 02:02PM

Going Forward wrote: »

It wasn't a white Jag with Radio Dublin on the side of it anyway.

Here's a picture of Cooke in 1986.

Hard to determine his hair colour. Doesn't look curly though.

I wasn't thinking Cooke. It had occurred that if Fr. Cleary had been given the tape (as brooke 2 had said) as he worked in the station, could he be a suspect?
He had grey curly hair in his later years. No idea if he had a car or what colour it was.
Being a priest would have meant that the religious young Philip would have trusted him.
Another line of enquiry?

Philip Cairns' Murder finally confirmed?

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