Philip Cairns' Murder finally confirmed?

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http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0610/794730-philip-cairns-information/

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El Chapo

How could she stand idly by watching a family suffer knowing what she knew?

An absolute disgusting excuse for a human.

Tefral

Wow... how could someone be so callous!!

To make it worse on the family he was defiant to the end... if theres such a thing as hell, i hope he is there and hopefully she follows.

Arsemageddon

Rarely has a thread title been so apt.

If this is true, that woman can fvck right off if she thinks her conscience is cleared for coming forward at this late stage.

Will she now be charged with an offence?

Disgusting to think of how she has protected the man we can now presume to have killed Philip Cairns.

How, also, did that man go to his grave without indicating where the boy is buried? He had absolutely nothing to lose by telling the truth, and giving the Cairns family back their son for a family burial.

amikoalien2

Even an anynomyous tip off to the rozzers to at least point them in the right direction
absolutly disgusting to put that family through that for 30 years whilst sitting on your hands
the mind boggles

failinis

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Will she now be charged with an offence?

With holding evidence maybe?
Awful.

I don't know the full facts of this tbh but perhaps this woman was in genuine fear of Cooke or in fear of implication?

She could have done things better ill agree like anonymous tip off and my heart genuinely goes out to the cairns family but without knowing the state of the individual we'll never know why she kept this secret so long

B.A._Baracus

Stop me I'm wrong on this one...
So she has been keeping this a secret for donkeys years but only comes out with it when he died. So in other words only now when it would not cause him any hassle.

Then she claims she passed out and awoke in his car?

Well, maybe it's just me but this sounds fishy. Sounds more than a guilty conscience. like she had more to do with this than she is saying and since he is dead she is pinning everything on him. I mean, her fainting sounds like a selective memory.

And of course why tell now?

Barry Badrinath

The conspiracy theorist in me suspects that he is being used as a patsy.

Still a fcuking monster though.

PandaX9

This particular case has always been interesting for me because it is so sad how he seemingly just vanished without a trace.

The fact that this is all only coming to light now that the accused is deceased would lead me to believe that either 1) the informant was terrified of telling anyone, as the accused would be able to trace the source or 2) she felt guilty about having kept it to herself all these years, and for that reason decided to keep it a secret until the accused died.

What an awful, awful situation. That poor family. The article's title says "may have" but further down the author gave me the impression that the Gardai are satisfied that he was their man from interviews.

B.A._Baracus

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Stop me I'm wrong on this one...
So she has been keeping this a secret for donkeys years but only comes out with it when he died. So in other words only now when it would not cause him any hassle.

Apparently, she came forward when he was on his deathbed.

So probably more to do with her desire to see Cooke answerable for his actions whilst alive, and perhaps regretting her silence.

Warped behaviour, anyway.

ceadaoin.

It doesn't say how old the woman is or was at the time. It's possible she could have been only young herself and maybe even another victim of his and was too afraid to speak out?

Xyzforsure

She should be charged with for withholding information

Funny feeling she was involved!

And her conscience is getting the better of her

Cee-Jay-Cee

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Will she now be charged with an offence?

Disgusting to think of how she has protected the man we can now presume to have killed Philip Cairns.

How, also, did that man go to his grave without indicating where the boy is buried? He had absolutely nothing to lose by telling the truth, and giving the Cairns family back their son for a family burial.

Hopefully the full rigours of the law will come hammering down on her, regardless of her age. She should be charged with 'withholding information concerning a crime'

I can't imagine any plausible reason why she should hold onto the information for so long.

SEPT 23 1989

It's like when those bastards let Winnie Johnson go to her grave without telling her where her son Keith was buried

Putting a woman through a living nightmare of torment for her whole life

As twisted as the original crime they committed

eviltwin

How convenient he's just died. Not sure what to think of this one. If she's genuine she should face prosecution.

Armchair Andy

She only comes out after Cooke has died! Something smells like a bigger ring where these 2 being made scapegoats.

Laois_Man

Like lots of people, I have been following the Philip Cairns story since 1986, the odd time it recieves coverage.

The below story has me enraged that there isn't so much as a mention of even a potential prosecution against this woman who is saying she kept information about Philip's disappearance to herself all this .

If you had this information, and you kept your mouth shut for all these years, while the Cairns family suffering as they have, you'd as evil a bastard as they guy that killed him!

Gardaí believe they may have solved the mystery of the disappearance of Philip Cairns, the 13-year-old schoolboy who went missing in Dublin nearly 30 years ago.

A woman came forward last month with new information which detectives believe to be credible.

The woman told gardaí that the convicted paedophile Eamon Cooke may have killed the child at the studios of his pirate radio station in October 1986.

The 79-year-old died last week and while he confirmed some aspects of the woman’s statement, he never told the gardaí where the child’s remains are buried - in spite of their efforts to have him do so.

Philip Cairns’ family have been informed of the latest developments but the case remains open and gardaí are still appealing for information.

Philip disappeared on the afternoon of 23 October 1986 while walking back to Coláiste Éanna school where he had been a first-year student for just over a month.

Six days later his schoolbag was found dumped in a laneway yards from his home on the Ballyroan Road in Rathfarnham.

The investigation remains ongoing but last October, on the anniversary of Philip's disappearance, the gardaí issued a new appeal for help from the public.

Last month a woman came forward to gardaí with new information.

The woman told detectives that on the day Philip disappeared, she was in a car with Cooke - the DJ and owner of the pirate radio station, Radio Dublin.

The woman told the gardaí that Cooke knew Philip and had promised to take him to visit the radio station.

She said however that when they got to the studios in Inchicore, a row broke out while she was in another room, and that Cooke struck the child with an implement.

She said she went into the room and saw the 13-year-old boy bleeding and unconscious on the floor.

She told gardaí that she then fainted and when she woke up, she was in a car being driven by Cooke. She kept this information to herself for decades.

Cooke died last week. The 79-year-old was a convicted paedophile who was serving a 10-year sentence for repeatedly sexually abusing two girls from January 1974 to May 1978.

The offences were committed years before Philip disappeared. By the time gardaí could act on the new information they received, Cooke was a dying man. They went to see him in Arbour Hill Prison but discovered he had been transferred to a Dublin hospice.

They spoke to Cooke at the hospice on a number of occasions but because of his condition and the fact that he was receiving palliative care he could not be questioned or interrogated fully.

He gave yes/no answers and, to a limited extent, confirmed aspects of the statement made to gardaí by the woman who came forward.

However, even though they pleaded with him to tell them where the remains of Philip were buried, he never told them.

The gardaí even offered Cooke the opportunity to give the information to a solicitor or a priest - only to be disclosed to detectives after his death - but he would not or could not and did not give them any information about Philip’s last resting place.

Gardaí are not looking at any other lines of inquiry at the moment. However, without knowing where Philip’s remains are the case remains open.

Keane2baMused

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Hopefully the full rigours of the law will come hammering down on her, regardless of her age. She should be charged with 'withholding information concerning a crime'

I can't imagine of any plausible reason why she should hold onto the information for so long.

You have no idea how old this person was at the time, or the reasoning behind her keeping it secret.

Very easy to sit behind a keyboard and declare someone should be hung drawn and quartered with little knowledge of the details.

Keane2baMused

Keane2baMused wrote: »

You have no idea how old this person was at the time, or the reasoning behind her keeping it secret.

Very easy to sit behind a keyboard and declare someone should be hung drawn and quartered with little knowledge of the details.

In the absence of countervailing information, it is perfectly sensible and legitimate to condemn this woman's silence.

If there was some legitimate reason for her protracted silence, and the agony which was compounded for the Cairns family on account of her silence, then let her explain it to the judge. Absolute count is what she is.

Ken.

Threads merged.

Arsemageddon

Keane2baMused wrote: »

You have no idea how old this person was at the time, or the reasoning behind her keeping it secret.

There is no justifiable reason for keeping quiet about the murder and disappearance of a child.

Fleawuss

Her reasons excuses and rationalizations and those made or implied on her behalf are a heap of steaming Shyte. She has condemned that boy's family to a 30 year sentence of agony. Fcuk her in jail for 30 years and we'll call it quits for that much.

Keane2baMused

Keane2baMused wrote: »

You have no idea how old this person was at the time, or the reasoning behind her keeping it secret.

Very easy to sit behind a keyboard and declare someone should be hung drawn and quartered with little knowledge of the details.

And my fear is that if people are prosecuted for withholding information it could make it all the more difficult for witnesses to come forward? I.e someone witnesses a gangland murder

Dolbert

Jesus Christ, before baying for her blood lads, maybe consider that she may also have been a child at the time and a possible victim of Cooke. It's possible that she felt unable to come forward until he was dying. I can't claim to know that kind of fear (thankfully!) Trauma is not always rational. Why assume she has acted out of malice?

Tbh, it's so incredibly convenient, and abhorrent, that I wonder is there any truth.

People "confess" to strange stuff all the time.

I'd be sceptical. All we have is a claim.

Lisha

I was about 9 when Philip disappeared. I clearly remember being so scared that a child could just disappear. Every time I hear his name I remember his photo wearing the red rosette.
I can't imagine how his family coped all this time. Just too heartbreaking to contemplate.

It just compounds the evil that this vile man would not tell, even on his deathbed, where he disposed of Philip.

This woman should be charged with withholding information and perverting the course of justice. I don't care about why she couldn't tell earlier. Once he was in jail he could no longer hurt her.

Or maybe she was a young daughter of that baastard at the time I dunno. It's just so sad.

Allyall

I wonder if there is a horrible reason as to why he wouldn't tell them where his body is.. If there are more too.

She must know more than she's letting on.

Harry Palmr

This is a case that I've always remembered for some reason. Hard to know what to say when you read something like this beyond yelling with sheer anger at such supine behaviour

Keane2baMused

Arsemageddon wrote: »

There is no justifiable reason for keeping quiet about the murder and disappearance of a child.

How do you know she wasn't a child herself? And a victim at that.

There could be so much more to this, but yeah, keep the pitch forks at the ready.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Tbh, it's so incredibly convenient, and abhorrent, that I wonder is there any truth.

People "confess" to strange stuff all the time.

I'd be sceptical. All we have is a claim.

Strange that he couldn't disclose where the body was disposed.

Dolbert

Deleted User wrote: »

Strange that he couldn't disclose where the body was disposed.

He was on his deathbed. He could probably barely articulate his own name.

Allyall

Allyall wrote: »

I wonder if there is a horrible reason as to why he wouldn't tell them where his body is.. If there are more too.

She must know more than she's letting on.

Or she knows less, and the whole thing is a fabrication. He wants to mess with the Gardai, she has a story that gives some false hope.

Allyall

Deleted User wrote: »

Or she knows less, and the whole thing is a fabrication. He wants to mess with the Gardai, she has a story that gives some false hope.

I doubt she knows less..
The Gardaí have had some of her statement confirmed by Cooke before he died.
She must know more. She must have asked him questions when she came to in the car, she must have asked him questions at least once over the 30 years.
She must remember where they were in the car that day..

Arsemageddon

Deleted User wrote: »

Or she knows less, and the whole thing is a fabrication. He wants to mess with the Gardai, she has a story that gives some false hope.

That was my first impression, but the RTE story says the Gardaí confirmed some of the details with Cooke. We'll have to wait until we get more information to find out whether this woman fabricated the story or not.

Either way, this woman doesn't come out of this well.

Allyall

He was a horrible freak - http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dj-put-away-for-10-years-over-abuse-of-girls-in-home-26273302.html

Arsemageddon

Keane2baMused wrote: »

How do you know she wasn't a child herself? And a victim at that.

There could be so much more to this, but yeah, keep the pitch forks at the ready.

The boy disappeared 30 years ago. That's long enough for anyone to have gone to the Gardaí and made a statement.

If this story is true its way too little and way too late.

prinzeugen

She should be locked up for attempting to defeat/perverting the course of justice or whatever the equivalent is here.

anewme

There are a lot of questions on this.

If, as the woman said, Philip knew Cooke, surely, given Cookes history that this avenue was investigated before now.? Or maybe it was at the time.

It's one of those cases where you hope someone somewhere finds their conscience or a breakthrough is made.

I always think of Philip in the photo with his red rosette. I'm only a couple of years older than him and it scared us so much at the time.

I do think we need to know the circumstances to see why the woman kept the secret till now. Or even if as someone said, it's not a fabrication.

I hope for the family's sake that the truth will out and I hope against the odds and pray that the Cairns family (I see Philips Father has passed)find their son and finally lay him to rest.

notsoyoungwan

Keane2baMused wrote: »

How do you know she wasn't a child herself? And a victim at that.

There could be so much more to this, but yeah, keep the pitch forks at the ready.

It could be that she's a victim of his, but I also wondered if it was his wife. Perhaps she's one of those brow-beaten, emotionally battered (and possibly physically) women who are under their husband's control, and was too terrified of him to say anything until he was in hospice care and on his deathbed, then she knew he could no longer control her or react to her disclosing info. She'd also be quite elderly if that's the case, and may be having pangs of conscience now.

Whoever she is, I suspect there are complex reasons for her withholding the info rather than her simply not being ar5ed, or not giving a fcuk.

Arsemageddon

Arsemageddon wrote: »

That was my first impression, but the RTE story says the Gardaí confirmed some of the details with Cooke. We'll have to wait until we get more information to find out whether this woman fabricated the story or not.

Either way, this woman doesn't come out of this well.

As a convicted child abuser, it's highly possible he may have come into some information about the incident that would not be too public. I presume the child abuse ring is fairly tight and info passes between them.

But that's a long way short of saying he did it, she knew, she covered up etc. The one thing we can say with certainty, when he had nothing to lose, when pressed on details like where the body was, he didn't answer.

The whole thing is almost too depressing to think about. Such a dark dark world.

Kristopherus

To the morons who are baying for blood, the woman first made contact with the Gardai after an appeal for info in 2011. She then made a statement in May this year. What happened in between we do not know.But the fact is, she made the statement before Cooke died. http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-believe-paedophile-dj-eamon-captain-cooke-may-have-killed-schoolboy-philip-cairns-34790504.html

prinzeugen

prinzeugen wrote: »

She should be locked up for attempting to defeat/perverting the course of justice or whatever the equivalent is here.

Only if it is proved that she did so eg. when questioned, she lied.

Coming forward years later is not an offence. And either way I'd be highly sceptical about the entire story.

Uriel.

You may have seen that one of Ireland's most well known missing persons case has had a massive break through in recent weeks.

Convicted paedophile Eamon Cooke may have killed 13-year-old Philip Cairns - reports http://jrnl.ie/2817164

I was very young when Philip disappeared in 1986 but I have read details and updates of his story on several occasions over the years. It was always believed, I think, that someone who know Philip and whom Philip knew was involved in his disappearance.

His family suffered for so many years, never knowing the detail of his fate and perhaps more than anything never had an opportunity to lay him to rest.

According to media reports an unnamed woman recently came forward with significant new evidence that would have painted the full (or at least a major amount) picture as to his disappearance.

It does not yet seem clear as to the circumstances behind the woman coming forward at this time.

It seems that her coming forward was too late to 1) bring the primary suspect to justice and 2)to identify Philip's final resting place.

I don't know why she waited 3 decades to come forward with this key information, and I really don't know how anyone could live with such a thing on their conscience for so long - especially IF she was not involved in the murder.

I have to question her involvement, but even if she did not participate in the killing I hope she's charged with withholding information (unless she had some overriding reason to do so, though I cannot imagine what it might be).

If there is an afterlife, I hope the perpetrator suffers greatly.

I hope that there is some further shred of evidence that could lead to finding Philip's remains for his mother and his family.

philstar

would Eamon Cooke have been a well known character/celebrity for 13 yr old schoolboy to know back then???

punisher5112

We need to stop been so good to these absolute scum.

He hopefully died an excruciating horrible painful death may he never rest in peace.

That woman should do time no questions.

How in god's name can that filth get the best of care in a hospice when people who really should be given that care that are in need.

andekwarhola

So heartbreaking to think his Dad died without them finding his son or who did it.

ceadaoin.

Didn't they dig up an area of a golf course a few years ago in relation to this case? I wonder if that was based off her info?

Atlantic Dawn

The woman needs to be named and publically identified in the media so she can never enjoy one minute of what remains of her life in this country. The heartbreak of Philips family not knowing what happened to him and the amount of man hours that went in to the search when she knew all along where she last saw him.

punisher5112

punisher5112 wrote: »

We need to stop been so good to these absolute scum.

He hopefully died an excruciating horrible painful death may he never rest in peace.

That woman should do time no questions.

How in god's name can that filth get the best of care in a hospice when people who really should be given that care that are in need.

Turn around that situation and you have an innocent bystander who witnesses a gangland or IRA murder and for 30 years they keep this info to themselves? If they get an attack of the conscience, do they report it and face heavy prosecution or is the actual facts of the situation that are taken into account?

What you suggest would set an awful precedent. The actual facts are important