Liam Lawlor is dead

vibrant

Just saw the news on Aertel. Apparently he was killed in a car crash in Moscow. Holy crap!

http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/1022/russia.html

Liam Lawlor killed in Moscow car crash

22 October 2005 15:50
The former Fianna Fáil TD, Liam Lawlor, has been killed in a car crash in Moscow.

Mr Lawlor was a passenger in the car which hit a street lamp in Himki in northern Moscow.

The Mercedes car had been travelling from the city's main airport when the accident happened at around 1am local time.

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The driver of the car, believed to be a local man, was also killed.

A Ukrainian woman who was a back seat passenger was seriously injured and was taken to hospital.

The 61-year-old is survived by his wife Hazel, his three sons and a daughter.

The Taoiseach, Bertie Ahern, has said that he was shocked to learn of the untimely death of Liam Lawlor, and has extended his sympathy to Mr Lawlor's wife and family.

He described Mr Lawlor as an engaging, witty and larger than life character. He added that he was a man with a keen intellect with strong views, which he was never afraid to articulate trenchantly.

Fine Gael leader, Enda Kenny, has also expressed his deepest
sympathy to the family.

sprinkles

He can't take his money with him...

vibrant

Just noticed that there was already a thread on this on the Politics forum.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=315291

Sorry!

[Jackass]

sprinkles wrote:

He can't take his money with him...

Yeah, but still, what a way to go...jesus!

Condoleces to his familly etc.

jonny68

Sad news alright but can't say i ever liked him TBH,he should've done a few years in jail.

Flukey

As people are saying today, despite his controversial career, a man has died in a traffic accident and a woman is a widow and her children are without their father. May he rest in peace.

Chong

Nicely said flukey.

Pigman II

Dies aged just 61 and he was going thru some hard stuff at the end. First there was the windscreen, then there was the lamppost.

sprinkles

Flukey wrote:

As people are saying today, despite his controversial career, a man has died in a traffic accident and a woman is a widow and her children are without their father. May he rest in peace.

Of course anyone dying is a tragic loss and will be missed by their loved ones but I don't like the way people are coming out saying what a great politician and man he was....B*llsh*t, he was a criminal who should have done more time in jail imo. May he rest in peace

Parsley

Pigman II wrote:

Dies aged just 61 and he was going thru some hard stuff at the end. First there was the windscreen, then there was the lamppost.

That's fooking brilliant!

Mr.Nice Guy

Pigman II wrote:

Dies aged just 61 and he was going thru some hard stuff at the end. First there was the windscreen, then there was the lamppost.

Utterly tasteless. Regardless of the bad things the man did in his life he is a human being and he has died leaving behind a wife and kids.

secret_squirrel

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

he has died leaving behind a wife and kids.

Who no doubt wont be profiting from all that non-corrupt money in his will.

What is it about people that think death wipes the slate clean? He was a criminal scumbag whilst he lived and criminal scumbag now he's dead.

Class quote pigman.

Mr.Nice Guy

secret_squirrel wrote:

Who no doubt wont be profiting from all that non-corrupt money in his will.

What is it about people that think death wipes the slate clean? He was a criminal scumbag whilst he lived and criminal scumbag now he's dead.

Class quote pigman.

It's a shame how quick people are to celebrate a person's death. You're already dancing on his grave before he has even entered the soil.

Still, it's up to you and your conscience to deal with that.

Seraphina

betcha he faked it so he doesn't suffer any more inquiries!

Alfasudcrazy

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

It's a shame how quick people are to celebrate a person's death. You're already dancing on his grave before he has even entered the soil.

Still, it's up to you and your conscience to deal with that.

Ned Flanders:rolleyes:

Was probably up to some other scam over there and was taken out by Russian Mafia or business rivals - well its a lot more effective (and cheaper) than tribunals I suppose.

Parsley

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

It's a shame how quick people are to celebrate a person's death. You're already dancing on his grave before he has even entered the soil.

Still, it's up to you and your conscience to deal with that.

The thing is, he's not dancing on anyone's grave. He is simply stating fact, i.e. that Mr. Lawlor was corrupt as ****, and just cos he's dead doesn't mean we should forget all that.

danniemcq

Seraphina wrote:

betcha he faked it so he doesn't suffer any more inquiries!

i'll take your bet in a brown envelope. correct money only no change given

^CwAzY^

Karma in my opinion.
What goes around comes around.

Karoma

^CwAzY^ wrote:

Karma in my opinion.
What goes around comes around.

..saved me the effort of typing it.

nesf

A death is nothing to gloat over or mock. Even if you had problems with his career, as I did, you could at least show some respect.

^CwAzY^

nesf wrote:

A death is nothing to gloat over or mock. Even if you had problems with his career, as I did, you could at least show some respect.

Why does a death always have to command respect? Did Hitler's death command respect?

nesf

^CwAzY^ wrote:

Why does a death always have to command respect? Did Hitler's death command respect?

The respect is for his family and widowed wife.


Internet Chat Rule #1: All discussions inevitably descend into someone bringing up: nazis, Hitler or quantum mechanics.

danniemcq

nesf wrote:

Interent Chat Rule #1: All discussions inevitably descend into someone bringing up: nazis, Hitler or quantum mechanics.

it's sad cause it's true

Hagar

I'd like to say how sorry I am at Mr. Lawlor's death, but I have never lied to you before and I'm not starting now.

Mr.Nice Guy

Alfasudcrazy wrote:

Ned Flanders:rolleyes:

Uh, yeah. Says the guy with the Chief Wiggum avatar.:rolleyes:

nesf wrote:

A death is nothing to gloat over or mock. Even if you had problems with his career, as I did, you could at least show some respect.

Exactly. Instead people seem more interested in cracking jokes at the man's expense.

Ruaidhri

so, by dying his past is forgotten and meaningless time honored sayings are brought into play "sadly missed", "a great man" and the usual. to be honest my heart goes out to his wife and children. they now have to suffer his funeral, his loss and bare the brunt of having his estate inspected, and /or confiscated from his mistakes in the past.

A Ukrainian woman who was a back seat passenger was seriously injured and was taken to hospital.

no age given..hmm. i wonder who she was?

Hagar

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

cracking jokes at the man's expense.

Fúck him, he lived his life at my expense.

^CwAzY^

Hagar wrote:

Fúck him, he lived his life at my expense.

My thoughts exactly. I will show respect if the deceased person deserves respect. nesf, if a man raped and killed your mother, sister, or daughter and then got shot dead the next day, would you show respect for his death? I show respect based on the actions that person did in their life. In Liam Lawlor's case, I am not going to show any respect because of the actions he carried out during his life.

randomfella

^CwAzY^ wrote:

Why does a death always have to command respect? Did Hitler's death command respect?

Well De Valera did personally offer the german embassy his condolences. A lot of controversy back in the day. Couldn't be bothered digging up a link but take my word for it, it did happen.

I'm a bit surprised the way people are joking about him dying. I mean he never killed anybody, he was a crooked politician not a killer.

Hagar

randomfella wrote:

I mean he never killed anybody.

I wouldn't swear to that on a bible.
After all the money that he ripped off may well have made a difference if it got to the health services. Maybe somebody died because budget cuts ment a piece of equipment wasn't there when it was needed.

Mr.Nice Guy

Hagar wrote:

Fúck him, he lived his life at my expense.

So he deserved to die in a car crash? Dear oh dear...:rolleyes:

randomfella wrote:

Well De Valera did personally offer the german embassy his condolences. A lot of controversy back in the day. Couldn't be bothered digging up a link but take my word for it, it did happen.

De Valera didn't do that out of respect for Hitler. He did it out of respect for Edouard Hempel who was German ambassador to Ireland and who cooperated with the Irish administration over our neutral position in the war. It was a foolish move on de Valera's part but was not done out of admiration and/or respect for Hitler.

randomfella

i never said why he offered his condolences, just that he did.

It doesn't matter what his reasons were anyway, the fact of the matter is that he basically said he was sorry to hear that Hitler died.

Hagar

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

So he deserved to die in a car crash? Dear oh dear...:rolleyes:

I never said that.

If I had been given the choice of the way he died it would have been much more imaginative. Like septocemia from a paper cut on his arse after wiping it with a brown envelope.

beller b

Respect is earned not not given....Where do you draw the line? If he was a murderer should we still show respect..?
He was a criminal & a thief. No respect deserved...

Mr.Nice Guy

randomfella wrote:

i never said why he offered his condolences, just that he did.

It doesn't matter what his reasons were anyway, the fact of the matter is that he basically said he was sorry to hear that Hitler died.

His reasons don't matter to unionists like Ian Paisley Junior who like to portray this State to have had Nazi sympathies. You seem to have bought into that old guff. You should have a read of this article particularly this important piece:

De Valera responded by going to express condolence to Hempel, who warned that there could be trouble over the visit. "I do what I think is right," De Valera told him.

Following the death of US President Roosevelt little over two weeks earlier, de Valera paid a moving tribute and had the Dáil adjourn as a mark a respect, but there were no such gestures for Hitler. Why did the Taoiseach go to such lengths to express sympathy for the death of a man he despised? "Common gentlemanly feelings of sympathy with Dr Hempel in the hour of the country's collapse called for a gesture," De Valera explained privately. "Hitler was dead and there was no possibility of my reinforcing an already lost cause."

It would have been an "unpardonable discourtesy to the German nation and to Dr Hempel himself" not to have made an official gesture, De Valera added. And he was not about to insult Hempel, for whom he had a much higher regard than he had for Gray.

"During the whole of the war," the Taoiseach wrote, "Dr Hempel's conduct was irreproachable. He was always friendly and invariably correct in marked contrast with Gray. I certainly was not going to add to his humiliation in the hour of defeat."

De Valera's sympathy was not for Hitler or the Nazis, but for Edouard Hempel, a diplomat of the old school who helped the Irish Government to stay out of the war

You would do well not to buy into the lies of revisionists who seek to besmirch the good name of this country.

beller b wrote:

Respect is earned not given....Where do you draw the line? If he was a murderer should we still show respect..?
He was a criminal & a thief. No respect deserved...

What about the fact he served a sentence? And what about showing respect to the man's family? Let's hope his children are not members of Boards as they would have to bear witness to some disgusting comments on this thread...

beller b

If a serial killer dies. Should he get respect because he served his time in prison? You get respect for what you do during your life, You don't get respect just for dying........Charlie Haughy will be gone soon. he won't get any respect from me either..

This is terrible ................. i gave him the lend of a tenner last week.

Mr.Nice Guy

beller b wrote:

If a serial killer dies. Should he get respect because he served his time in prison?

Liam Lawlor wasn't a serial killer. Nor was he Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin etc.

beller b wrote:

You get respect for what you do during your life, You don't get respect just for dying

Usually you get some degree of sympathy.

beller b wrote:

Charlie Haughy will be gone soon. he won't get any respect from me either..

I am no fan of Charlie Haughey nor Ian Paisley but should they die I will not be gloating over their death. It would go against my own moral fibre to descend to that level of immaturity and ignorance.

I note you failed to comment on my point about Mr Lawlor's family. What about showing them some respect?

Retr0gamer

Liam Lawler is not dead. This is an outrageous accusation against Liam Lawler.

Hagar wrote:

Fúck him, he lived his life at my expense.

Well said.

Capt'n Midnight

Hagar wrote:

I wouldn't swear to that on a bible.
After all the money that he ripped off may well have made a difference if it got to the health services. Maybe somebody died because budget cuts ment a piece of equipment wasn't there when it was needed.

Gotta agree 110%
And it still goes on today eVoting etc.

Also the damage to our infracture caused by brown envelopes results in a waste of fuel and time neither of which help our health.

I've asked the question on the politics forum - What was he doing in Moscow ?

Capt'n Midnight

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

I am no fan of Charlie Haughey nor Ian Paisley but should they die I will not be gloating over their death.

Wasn't it CJ who said that duty of the opposition was to oppose and blocked stuff whenever he could regardless of whether it was the best for the country or not.

danniemcq

hmm i wonder did he ever post here...

linky!

ninebeanrows

I wouldnt be surprised if he was being buried in Russia!

This is just abit suspect..??? no?

Anyway your all distastful prats

A man has died and your mocking him:mad:

really low and sad... Are you 12 or 12:rolleyes:

May he rest in peace

ctrl-alt-delete

i wonder how many people mocking him know of the details of his criminal activity, or have they just read the headlines???
there are 2 sides to every story, and 2 sides to death, i hope he is getting more respect on the other side of death than he is getting here,

RIP

Franky Boy

*Cough* Corrupt *Cough*

Wertz

Seraphina wrote:

betcha he faked it so he doesn't suffer any more inquiries!

Yeah something very Robert Maxwellesque about this.

It's said he was good to his constituents but he was proven in court to be corrupt at a high level. His death is tragic just as any other unecessary accidental death is...doesn't change what the man was in his past though...there are however, far worse than him still walking the land...

dundalk cailin

ctrl-alt-delete wrote:

i wonder how many people mocking him know of the details of his criminal activity, or have they just read the headlines???
there are 2 sides to every story, and 2 sides to death, i hope he is getting more respect on the other side of death than he is getting here,

RIP

well said

astrofool

as was stated before, karma

bishop brennan

God help Charles Haughey:rolleyes:

nlgbbbblth

randomfella wrote:

I'm a bit surprised the way people are joking about him dying. I mean he never killed anybody, he was a crooked politician not a killer.

Some people kill in the name of republicanism and are considered heroes.
Other pr*cks rob and mug people with guns/syringes/whatever and they get less criticism than Lawlor.

ghostchant

It's disturbing that some people are actually happy about the news, and don't care how his family feel. Actually, it's not so much disturbing as it is sick.