Why are bus drivers so mean?

RuggieBear

front door is right beside the driver which allows the driver to warn passengers stick an arm out to stop people etc

curious how a driver could stick his arm out as he's behind a grill to protect him from his passengers

John R

The reason many drivers will point blank refuse to open the centre doors at all is because they don't want to risk having a stranded bus. The centre doors are linked into the transmission, if they are not closed properly the bus will not engage gear. Because of the infrequency of use of the centre doors there is a real risk that once opened the sensor that registers the door as closed will not work properly and the bus will be stuck until a maintenance crew can get to it.
Some drivers will know which particular buses are problematic and which are ok to open the doors on, others will just refuse to use them at all.
If you are on a bus that refuses to engage gear for any reason one of the first things that the driver will do is open/close the rear doors as the interlock can give problems even when the doors are left unused.

shltter

RuggieBear wrote:

tbh, shltter, i reckon you are just a tireless rebutter at this stage.

if you want people just to agree with your perspective then i suggest you set up a new forum

shltter

RuggieBear wrote:

curious how a driver could stick his arm out as he's behind a grill to protect him from his passengers

a driver does not have to have the screen closed most don't depends on the route

a health and safety ruling actually forced DB to have opening and closing screens

shltter

John R wrote:

The reason many drivers will point blank refuse to open the centre doors at all is because they don't want to risk having a stranded bus. The centre doors are linked into the transmission, if they are not closed properly the bus will not engage gear. Because of the infrequency of use of the centre doors there is a real risk that once opened the sensor that registers the door as closed will not work properly and the bus will be stuck until a maintenance crew can get to it.
Some drivers will know which particular buses are problematic and which are ok to open the doors on, others will just refuse to use them at all.
If you are on a bus that refuses to engage gear for any reason one of the first things that the driver will do is open/close the rear doors as the interlock can give problems even when the doors are left unused.

absolutely correct

RuggieBear

John R wrote:

The reason many drivers will point blank refuse to open the centre doors at all is because they don't want to risk having a stranded bus. The centre doors are linked into the transmission, if they are not closed properly the bus will not engage gear. Because of the infrequency of use of the centre doors there is a real risk that once opened the sensor that registers the door as closed will not work properly and the bus will be stuck until a maintenance crew can get to it.
Some drivers will know which particular buses are problematic and which are ok to open the doors on, others will just refuse to use them at all.
If you are on a bus that refuses to engage gear for any reason one of the first things that the driver will do is open/close the rear doors as the interlock can give problems even when the doors are left unused.

well that is just ridiculous... :eek:

GreeBo

shltter wrote:

absolutely correct

How convenient that you didnt mention it yourself. :rolleyes:

RuggieBear wrote:

curious how a driver could stick his arm out as he's behind a grill to protect him from his passengers

They breed them to have especially skinny arms..its a genetic survival trait.

shltter wrote:

if you want people just to agree with your perspective then i suggest you set up a new forum

If you want to get snotty then I suggest you arm yourself with some Kleenex.


As for the "bus might break down" argument. Thats just pathetic. Do we not have conversations with the suppliers and mention these "slight" design faults?
Thats worse than your "prepaid tickets are discounted coz they cost the same" argument. :cool:

maxheadroom

GreeBo wrote:

As for the "bus might break down" argument. Thats just pathetic. Do we not have conversations with the suppliers and mention these "slight" design faults?

Its not a design fault, IIRC it's by design. The centre doors are an emergency exit so there's an interlock to prevent the engine from being engaged while the emergency exit is in use. Its the same reason why a DART won't run if someone has used the emergency door open lever.

GreeBo

maxheadroom wrote:

Its not a design fault, IIRC it's by design.

the "if they are not closed properly the bus will not engage gear" is the design fault.
The doors should close properly *everytime*.
If your car door didnt close properly you would bring the car to get "fixed".
If something is being fixed its because its faulty.

Zaph0d

So it's not a bug, it's a feature.

shltter

RuggieBear wrote:

well that is just ridiculous... :eek:

but true

Trojan

Mind you, it is very, very easy to pull open the rear doors to let yourself off. Not that anyone should do that against the drivers orders, but I've seen it done by some angry passengers in the same situation Ruggie mentioned (20 people between them and the front doors).

RuggieBear

shltter wrote:

but true

lol

still, it's madness. You have to agree with me that i should expect more from Dublin Bus....

The main gist of the argument against letting me exit the rear doors on a quiet street on a quiet sunday afternoon is now that the ****ing bus might breakdown :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

antoinolachtnai

In the faraway kingdom of Great Britain, I hear they have buses where the back doors are opened very frequently, to the extent that you aren't allowed exit by the front door.

In the even further away kingdom of Germany, according to legend, there are buses with as many as three doors, and they all work. But maybe that's just a story.

The decision not to use central doors isn't operational. It's a strategic decision.

GreeBo

antoinolachtnai wrote:

The decision not to use central doors isn't operational. It's a strategic decision.

Do we have any idea of what the goal of this strategy is?

shltter

Trojan wrote:

Mind you, it is very, very easy to pull open the rear doors to let yourself off. Not that anyone should do that against the drivers orders, but I've seen it done by some angry passengers in the same situation Ruggie mentioned (20 people between them and the front doors).

it is also illegal

GreeBo

shltter wrote:

it is also illegal

source?

shltter

RuggieBear wrote:

lol

still, it's madness. You have to agree with me that i should expect more from Dublin Bus....

The main gist of the argument against letting me exit the rear doors on a quiet street on a quiet sunday afternoon is now that the ****ing bus might breakdown :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I dont think anyone is saying this is the way it should be

all people are doing is trying to explain to you the reasons why things are done this way

what we should have is proper bus stops that are free for the bus to get into and out of and doors that actually work properly we have neither

RuggieBear

well i'm sure it is illegal....there are a heap of bye laws....it's pretty anti social behaviour tbh....

shltter

GreeBo wrote:

source?

dublin bus/ CIE bye laws

shltter

antoinolachtnai wrote:

In the faraway kingdom of Great Britain, I hear they have buses where the back doors are opened very frequently, to the extent that you aren't allowed exit by the front door.

In the even further away kingdom of Germany, according to legend, there are buses with as many as three doors, and they all work. But maybe that's just a story.

The decision not to use central doors isn't operational. It's a strategic decision.

I presume the reason for the problems with the centre doors is that because they are not really used maintenance dont really maintain them to the degree they would in the UK where the centre door is in full operation

I presume the reason for moving away from the centre door on new buses is that there is no point in having them if they are not being used may as well have some seats there instead

RuggieBear

well it is kinda a circular argument tho isn't it.....doors aren't used...so they are not maintained...so they now can't be used.

shltter

RuggieBear wrote:

well it is kinda a circular argument tho isn't it.....doors aren't used...so they are not maintained...so they now can't be used.

which gets back to why they are not used and the labour court ruling

RuggieBear

exactly....so why argue that they will cause the bus to break down. So in my opinion the blame lies with the drivers.

EDIT: Sorry...i'm falling into tireless rebutter territory here too...not meaning to have a go at you S.

shltter

GreeBo wrote:

source?

http://www.dublinbus.ie/home/bye_laws.asp#2

29. No person shall touch or interfere with the engine, steering gear or any part of the controlling mechanisms of a vehicle.

RuggieBear

god i wish they still had conductors....

RuggieBear

shltter wrote:

http://www.dublinbus.ie/home/bye_laws.asp#2

29. No person shall touch or interfere with the engine, steering gear or any part of the controlling mechanisms of a vehicle.

I've highlighted what i reckon are the approprite laws.

oh and i also highlighted the queing byelaws....does there really need to be a law to tell people how to queue in this country :eek: :eek:

Byelaws wrote:

BOARDING AND ALIGHTING FROM A VEHICLE

3. No person shall

(a) use any entrance on the vehicle for any purpose other than boarding the vehicle, or

(b) use any exit for any purpose other than alighting from the vehicle, or

(c) use any emergency exit for any purpose other than alighting from the vehicle in an emergency, save for the purpose of boarding or alighting from the vehicle if so directed or otherwise allowed by an authorised person.

4. No person except an authorised person shall open the door of the vehicle except in the event of an accident or emergency.

5. No person except an authorised person shall stand or attempt to stand on the steps of the vehicle while it is in motion.

6. No person shall board or alight from or attempt to board or alight from any vehicle whilst it is in motion or (except in the case of an authorised person) between stops.

7. No person shall attempt to board or to alight from the vehicle after the doors have commenced to close.

8. Where notices are exhibited on a vehicle indicating that a door shall be used for entrance and another door for exit (except in the case of an accident or other emergency or with the consent of an authorised person) a person shall not board or attempt to board the vehicle by the door indicated for exit or alight from or attempt to alight from the vehicle by the door indicated for entrance.

9. When a vehicle contains the full permitted number of passengers no additional passengers shall board or remain on the vehicle. Any such additional passenger shall leave the vehicle on the request of an authorised person.

10. (1) Each passenger shall queue at a bus stop in an orderly manner.

(2) Where an authorised person is regulating the boarding and alighting from a vehicle, each passenger shall on arrival at a bus stop take up the position at the rear of the appropriate queue, move forward in an orderly and regular manner and obey the reasonable instructions of an authorised person regulating such queue and in the absence of such authorised person obey any notices displayed at the bus stop.

Mimikyu

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RuggieBear

Solitaryman666 wrote:

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well as i can figure it.....he didn't open it as his union has not allowed him too....as a consequence, the rear doors are no longer maintained properly causing the chance that the bus might stall or something, if it were to be opened......

****ing madness

GreeBo

Privatisation. Competition. More than one company operating along the same routes.
Thats what we need.