Porn, Strip Clubs And The Like

Zulu

Quantum wrote:

If you don't like it and you tell your boyfriend you don't like it then he is a lyer and a cheat if he hides it or looks at it.

Yes, he is a liar and a cheat. He's possibly a repressed homosexual, and a communist. Report him to your local authorities quick smart, before he molests some child!

He has to make up his mind if he prefers you and your trust or his stash of fantasies.

"Once you go out with me I control your mind! No fantasies for you my boy!"

Unfortunately some men prefer living in a fantasy, it's a lot safer and easier when they don't have to deal with real emotions and real consequences, and when they don't have to deal with real emotions they can label it as 'just pictures'.

A pornographic picture - or any picture is NOT an emotion.
Unfortunately some women, have been raised to believe that they are real princesses; some people demand that you change to suit their ideals. On the plus side - you can rest assured that at some stage it'll all go horribly wrong for them.

tigerlily

You all are as guilty of bullying people who dont agree with your beliefs. Youre all like a pack of wolves as soon as anyone says anything other than you want- now thats what i call controlling.

I have gleaned some postive slants from this, but i have also gained:

- That a man who doesnt want to watch porn is a repressed homosexual or could molest children


- that a women who doesnt like it is sexually repressed and a 'good girl' or a 'princess' who will inevitably let down.

Sounds like a lot of people are as narrow minded and repressive as they accuse me and some other people that share my belief to be. What total sh**

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Zulu

tigerlily wrote:

I have gleaned some postive slants from this, but i have also gained:

- That a man who doesnt want to watch porn is a repressed homosexual or could molest children


- that a women who doesnt like it is sexually repressed and a 'good girl' or a 'princess' who will inevitably let down.

Sounds like a lot of people are as narrow minded and repressive as they accuse me and some other people that share my belief to be. What total sh**
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...and what I've "gleaned" is that you have no sence of humour, no ability to understand farce, and...

a Totally Repressed Opinion of Life and Love.

Good luck with that.

tigerlily

troll? sounds like you are the troll.

The Corinthian

tigerlily wrote:

You all are as guilty of bullying people who dont agree with your beliefs. Youre all like a pack of wolves as soon as anyone says anything other than you want- now thats what i call controlling.

Good. Now you can finally empathise with your boyfriend.

Sounds like a lot of people are as narrow minded and repressive as they accuse me and some other people that share my belief to be. What total sh**

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Seriously, you’re the one who commenced with the dogma, saying that women who stripped or did porn did not respect themselves. You’re the one who found porn (quite possibly after doing an illicit search) on your boyfriend’s PC and then essentially browbeat him into accepting your position without compromise.

This discussion is ultimately not about porn or strippers; it’s about someone imposing their set of beliefs on others without pretence of empathy or compromise. So you’ll forgive us if your attempts to play the victim card are not taken seriously.

Zulu

tigerlily wrote:

troll? sounds like you are the troll.

...oh I don't know if it's good etiquette to go around calling people trolls now...

Stix

Zulu wrote:

...oh I don't know if it's good etiquette to go around calling people trolls now...

You called her a troll first numb-nuts.

tigerlily

oh just let it go guys,the bitchfest is over- i dont agree with u and you dont agree with me, youve more than stressed your point that i am a number of things.

Stix

tigerlily wrote:

You all are as guilty of bullying people who dont agree with your beliefs. Youre all like a pack of wolves as soon as anyone says anything other than you want- now thats what i call controlling.

I have gleaned some postive slants from this, but i have also gained:

- That a man who doesnt want to watch porn is a repressed homosexual or could molest children


- that a women who doesnt like it is sexually repressed and a 'good girl' or a 'princess' who will inevitably let down.

Sounds like a lot of people are as narrow minded and repressive as they accuse me and some other people that share my belief to be. What total sh**

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A repressed homosexual - surely if he is a homosexual (repressed or otherwise), he would simply look at gay porn.

...Could molest children - i guess if you suppress anyones sexuality, (or any basic needs or desires for that matter) then the person could be capable of anything. People under pressure will eventually blow etc.

Tigerlily - i am not having a go at you. I agree, people in here jump at you the minute you say anything 'against the establised'. Not to worry, you are enititled to your say, even if most dont agree with it.

Zulu

Stix wrote:

You called her a troll first numb-nuts.

Oh I don't know if I ever used that word, your honour. :rolleyes:

Stix, Tigerlily, I'm disgusted I have to do this, but please read:

farce: noun.
a: A light dramatic work in which highly improbable plot situations, exaggerated characters, and often slapstick elements are used for humorous effect.
b:The branch of literature constituting such works.
c:The broad or spirited humor characteristic of such works.

I've highlighted the relevant parts.

tigerlily

Stix to be honest i expected as much- i knew what i said would be controversial and am more than willing to stick to my beliefs.

Keyzer

tigerlily wrote:

Stix to be honest i expected as much- i knew what i said would be controversial and am more than willing to stick to my beliefs.

A word of advice for you in the future, the next thread you start or add to, try to back your statement up with something.
You've basically come on here and said porn is disgusting or detremental to relationships because I said so and thats that.... If you go on like that then expect to be flamed, repeatedly...

I didn't intend to offend you personally from any of my comments and I'm sure your a lovely girl, anyway, just some advice for you...

tigerlily

yes maybe so, i am a nice girl. But i recieved alot of pm's from people telling me that they support me and i was entitled to my view and not to be deterred from speaking my mind and that means alot, anyway no hard feelings, we all learn something new.

The Corinthian

tigerlily wrote:

anyway no hard feelings, we all learn something new.

No hard feelings but I don't really think you have learned anything here.

Kell

tigerlily wrote:

Stix to be honest i expected as much- i knew what i said would be controversial and am more than willing to stick to my beliefs.

I reiterate my point earlier. Having a belief system is fine- there is nothing wrong with having your opinion. Great.

I havnt actually disagreed with you on anything- simply offered an alternative point of view. What I cannot understand is why holding onto your opinion is good for you when it causes you upset to view or discuss porn. Why would you hold onto an angst that ultimately sets you back as a person.

Kells view on the objective of life-

1) Procreate (we are genetically engineered to produce and all of our other instincts stem from such)

2) Become well rounded objective individuals learning that we are all not the same and do not think the same. We are here to integrate what we learn into our lives and are generally the better for it. If we cannot accept something in our lives we should remove ourselves as far as possible from it.

On point 2)- it is virtually impossible to remove ourselves from objectifying males or females as we are exposed to it all the time. There is an advert running on bus stop posters for fake tan that reads "Sex on legs". Now if that isnt making an object of sex and the woman on the advert tell me what is. However this is acceptable. How?

I like porn- I dont have any mags nor vids, but I do like occasionally watching/reading and I see no problem with it as porn is exactly what it says on the tin.

I do however have a problem with the objectifying of women in papers and billboards used to sell a product based on sex appeal. I also have a problem with males portrayed as muppets in just about every TV commercial at the moment.

Tigerlily- On the basis of the fact that you find porn degrading to women do you also find this type of advertising offensive? You have stated that you didnt like the way women were made out as objects in porn and that sex was being de-sensitized by it. TV adverts de-sensitise sex so where is your distaste for this type of making objects of women?

On changing your opinion- it would save you a lot of stress if you integrated the idea of porn, the objectifying of woman and also sex as a commodity if you did, because you simply cant avoid it.

K-

This god darned equation still has me phased. Can someone show me how to remove the tigerlily anomaly from it?

ferdi

in fairness tigerlily just said she wasnt a fan of porn and now there are 10 pages of people putting her down for saying something they dont want to hear, typical boards.

tigerlily, you are on an internet message board, the habitat of sexually repressed males whos only form of sexual release is a few dirty pictures. you can hardly be surprised at the reaction your getting.

tigerlily

On changing your opinion- it would save you a lot of stress if you integrated the idea of porn, the objectifying of woman and also sex as a commodity if you did, because you simply cant avoid

I am willing to see others viewpoint but i cannot agree with objectifying women or integrating porn.

I know some people called me a suppressed person, but the reality is i love sex, theres nothing wrong with that, but just because i dont believe in porn doesnt make me suppressed. I am not frigid by any means, but i really dont want to defend my position any further, i have spoken he way i feel, so maybe you should stop and accept it instead of questioning it non-stop

The Corinthian

tigerlily wrote:

i really dont want to defend my position any further, i have spoken he way i feel, so maybe you should stop and accept it instead of questioning it non-stop

I take it that this is essentially the argument you used to get the boyfriend to agree with you too...

tigerlily

Dont you ever get tired of your 'clever' comments

ferdi

its the internet, everyones a ****ing comedian

The Corinthian

tigerlily wrote:

Dont you ever get tired of your 'clever' comments

No. Don't you ever learn from them?

Kell

tigerlily wrote:

I am willing to see others viewpoint but i cannot agree with objectifying women or integrating porn.

I reiterate. You are holding onto a value system that causes you offense left right and centre if we assume that you do not like women being made out as objects in advertising. As you cant avoid it, why not integrate?

tigerlily wrote:

i have spoken the way i feel, so maybe you should stop and accept it instead of questioning it non-stop

On a final note, you have also questioned our points of view non stop and refused to accept it.

Ferdi- if you read every fúcking post in detail (with the exception of the occasional muppet) you will see that no-one has actually put her down, rather than to defend her position. Hows about I posted a thread called "I think Ferdi's a cúnt". You'd ask me to justify my position yes?

K-

Fysh

ferdi wrote:

in fairness tigerlily just said she wasnt a fan of porn and now there are 10 pages of people putting her down for saying something they dont want to hear, typical boards.

tigerlily, you are on an internet message board, the habitat of sexually repressed males whos only form of sexual release is a few dirty pictures. you can hardly be surprised at the reaction your getting.

In fairness, you've clearly not read her posts. She has claimed that porn is directly responsible for breaking up relationships, that people who work in the sex industry have no respect for themselves, and that certain people who have disagreed with her are immoral idiots for questioning her beliefs.

That's why she's been mercilessly torn apart. No doubt there's a few people just attacking her for the "porn==bad" attitude, but when the best defence I've seen for her is what you just posted, I have to assume that she's either a bit daft or just not thinking through her arguments. I've repeatedly posted attempts at helpful suggestions on how to get the thread going as a discussion (which she claims she wants) but she keeps on ignoring them.

Keyzer

Let it go lads, we've all made our points clear...
Im off for a ****, em, I mean a cuppa tea ...

Kell

Fysh wrote:

I've repeatedly posted attempts at helpful suggestions on how to get the thread going as a discussion (which she claims she wants) but she keeps on ignoring them.

Like when I posted about young male suicide and the reasons for it which degenerated into a thread trying to decide how many support groups were available for men vs women.

This sort of thing only happens when one person doggedly holds onto a point without reading or appreciating the validity of others points of view.

K-

ferdi

Fysh wrote:

In fairness, you've clearly not read her posts. She has claimed that porn is directly responsible for breaking up relationships, that people who work in the sex industry have no respect for themselves, and that certain people who have disagreed with her are immoral idiots for questioning her beliefs.

That's why she's been mercilessly torn apart. No doubt there's a few people just attacking her for the "porn==bad" attitude, but when the best defence I've seen for her is what you just posted, I have to assume that she's either a bit daft or just not thinking through her arguments. I've repeatedly posted attempts at helpful suggestions on how to get the thread going as a discussion (which she claims she wants) but she keeps on ignoring them.

i see what your saying but i think most of the negativity she is getting is due to her 'porn is bad' stance.

tigerlily

Keyzer wrote:

Let it go lads, we've all made our points clear...
Im off for a ****, em, I mean a cuppa tea ...

I reiterate. You are holding onto a value system that causes you offense left right and centre if we assume that you do not like women being made out as objects in advertising. As you cant avoid it, why not integrate

Yes ok, why dont i just join in and agree with everyone cos its easier, good belief.

Keyzer

tigerlily wrote:

I reiterate. You are holding onto a value system that causes you offense left right and centre if we assume that you do not like women being made out as objects in advertising. As you cant avoid it, why not integrate

Yes ok, why dont i just join in and agree with everyone cos its easier, good belief.

Oh comon, that was funny....

The Corinthian

tigerlily wrote:

Yes ok, why dont i just join in and agree with everyone cos its easier, good belief.

Why don't you pout and sulk for a bit while you're at it?

Stix

Objectifying women ? - Other than with speciality porn such as BDSM, Scat or the likes, which works both ways, have you ever thought that most mainstream porn is actually glorifying women and their bodies. There is type of porn for all types of bodies.

Integrating porn ? - would be a good idea if it could fit in to society as most other things do, however, the whole thrill of porn comes partly from the idea that it is taboo and you shouldnt be doing, buying or looking at it. This would destroy half the excitment. If it was the norm, we wouldnt go for it as much.