Israel closing their embassy in Dublin *Read OP for Mod Warning added 19/12/24*

Calahonda52

How Facebook restricted news in Palestinian territories

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c786wlxz4jgo

Censorship

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973102#Comment_122973102

Except they're talking about the occupied territories. there are definitely issues in israel, like the fact it's illegal to say that Israel should not be a jewish country, but a secular country. Or the fact that it's not legal for jews and muslims to marry.

In the occupied territories, it's worse than it was in south africa.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973344#Comment_122973344

The death toll for Palestinians far out numbers the death toll for Israelis. And that's pre october 23. Since then the numbers are even more skewed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973349#Comment_122973349

But apparently In israel there's pretty much no media coverage of what's happening to the Palestinians. It's all from an israeli military perspective. Haaretz is one of the few unbiased outlets they have. So when we see a report of israel bombing a hospital and patients being burned alive, they don't see it. And that's why in the US a greater percentage of jewish people are against the war than in israel. In Europe and the US a lot of the anti war movements are led by jewish people (Who I'm assuming the pro israelis here would call anti semites). We're living in a different media sphere. And it's why they can get away with saying that Ireland is a country of antisemites, because they're never shown a different opinion.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973368#Comment_122973368

Are you saying 6000 Gazans have been killed? If so, your figures are out of date.

Regardless of that, it appears you're saying that the Palestinians should be blessed that the Israelis have been so restrained.

Even the IDF know that what is going on in Gaza is inhuman and they are horrified:

"Calling ourselves the world's most moral army absolves soldiers who know exactly what we're doing," says a senior reserve commander who has recently returned from the Netzarim corridor. "It means ignoring that for over a year, we've operated in a lawless space where human life holds no value. Yes, we commanders and combatants are participating in the atrocity unfolding in Gaza. Now everyone must face this reality."

"People need to know what this war really looks like, what serious acts some commanders and fighters are committing inside Gaza. They need to know the inhuman scenes we're witnessing."

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973447#Comment_122973447

And a very similar problem with US network television. Hard to deny the level of influence the Zionist crowd have over western media:

https://www.thenation.com/article/society/sunday-morning-news-shows-anti-palestinian-bias/

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973423#Comment_122973423

I think of them as Irish!

I've often found (and I'd say many have) you'd meet an American or British person in work or socially who you may for some reason get on with a bit better, be it a certain sense of humour or mannerisms or something - and you find out they have an Irish parent/ parents etc, and then it all clicks together.

DayInTheBog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973466#Comment_122973466

Israel showing their side is so different to the Hamas so called health ministry showing the world their version of the story.

It's a war. Hamas are positioning themselves in civilian areas and firing rockets. Israel are firing at those rocket sites. Tell Hamas to stop using human shields and we'll all be happy

DayInTheBog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973360#Comment_122973360

I assume as with any war, they want to ensure the enemy is destroyed. Would you like them to use slingshots instead?

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973525#Comment_122973525

Israel fights knowing that every incident will be scrutinized, so it tends to over cautious and more oversight than normal, yet that's never enough for those whose real problem is thay they are sore that the Israelis exist at all and have the nerve to fight back .

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973521#Comment_122973521

It's a war....

If so, why have even the Biden administration called out Israel for not limiting civilian death.

Why have the Biden administration plead with Israel to allow more aid in.

This thread is about the embassy closure. Israel said Ireland crossed it's red lines. I've asked on here what the red lines were and I can seem to get a reasonable answer.

The embassy is South Africa is still open, so it can't be to do with the genocide case. It's can't be because we recognized the state of Palestine as the embassies in Spain and Norway are still open. It can't be because Ireland only singles out Israel (we've condemned Hamas) and were also involved in cases against Russia and Myanmar etc...)

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973521#Comment_122973521

What do posters like you get out of trying to defend Israel who have been indiscriminately murdering and imprisoning Palestinians for decades? Really can't get my head around it. Regardless of what Hamas have done what Israel are doing is beyond shocking. The carry on in the West Bank is proof enough that they're trying to wipe out Palestinians for good.

jay1988

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973344#Comment_122973344

You've quietly dropped the bit about babies in microwaves after being called out on that lie, well done.

kazamo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973344#Comment_122973344

In 2004 George W Bush brought in a tax amnesty at 5% for profits already taxed abroad to be repatriated back to the US. So we have been before and it didn’t have the intended outcome as shareholders got bigger dividends, share buybacks……and they cut jobs in the US.

Back in 2004, Congress approved a plan to “repatriate” such overseas funds that companies could bring back home at a reduced rate.

The program was part of the American Jobs Creation Act. The hope then, as now, was that companies would shovel that money back into the economy in the form of investment and job creation.

It didn’t quite work out that way.

Contrary to the intent, the benefits skewed toward a select few companies in a select few industries. Rather than use the money for hiring and capital purchases, companies plowed the cash into share buybacks and dividends, and many of the biggest beneficiaries actually cut American jobs in the years after the repatriation.

“While empirical evidence is clear that this provision resulted in a significant increase in repatriated earnings, empirical evidence is unable to show a corresponding increase in domestic investment or employment,” the Congressional Research Service, Congress’ nonpartisan think tank, said in a report.

The incoming Treasury Secretary can do all the posturing he likes but relocating companies with a global focus to return to the US in any meaningful way, is a long term project as they have been investing abroad for decades.

If he wants to see results quickly he will have to do two things

• cut the US tax rate of 21% and ban individual state top up taxes which ranges from 2% to 11%.
• allow US multinationals to use capital losses from abroad to be offset against future US profits. So Intel have spent billions in Leixlip, to pull out of Ireland the US treasury would have to provide a fairly big sweetener. And that sweetener would give them a big tax holiday which defeats the purpose in the first place.

The IP piece is an issue but was an issue anyway regardless of what Ireland does or says about Gaza, but to create a cause and effect between our supposed antisemitism and IP Taxation is wishful thinking on your part.

Long term FDI might have an issue, but the irony of that is, we are hell bent on a United Ireland so a lot of future FDI will be heading North as the cool new project, so we should expect a drop off in the 26 counties post referendum vote. And if FDI slows down before the vote, United Ireland less likely.

jay1988

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973368#Comment_122973368

45000 people dead, a very low figure based on some bullshit percentage you've pulled from the sky?

Absolutely disgusting, these are people you're talking about not animals just there to be slaughtered.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973525#Comment_122973525

Of course not. No need to be silly. Israel have shown they can take a target out with minimal civilian casualties. They have proven that with the attack on the Iranian embassy in Syria and to some extent in Lebanon.

Do you believe levelling an apartment block, killing scores of innocent people is acceptable? Do you think a hellfire missile into the kitchen (possibly killing all inside the apartment) is far more reasonable than dropping a 2000lb bomb and levelling the building?

I have never said or believe that any war can be fought without civilian loss of life, but the way Israel is responding is far from self defense, it's just a scorched earth policy.

jay1988

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973544#Comment_122973544

A lie, show one post here of someone who's sore that Israelis exist.

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973525#Comment_122973525

You would justify all sorts of civilians atrocities and massacres throughout history by using that logic, and it is all dependant on who you term an enemy and what you term as a human shield.

Are the starving men women and children enemies or human shields? Is blockading aid and medicine anything to do with human shields? How about bombing a whole building or steet to take out a target, they couldn't all be shields unless your target is a f*ckin herd of brontosaurus.

How about arresting all of the doctors and nurses in the country, are they human shields? How about refusing to allow severely injured children to leave for medical care and leaving them to die?

Your belief seems to be that as long as an "enemy" exists, the civilians killed and dying all around them don't matter.

Everybody on here talks about War as though they know a single thing about it. War needs to have a clear objective, this war has none. It is brutally open ended and impossible - defeat the enemy is the goal. After months of bombing and genocide, Israel have more enemies now than ever. So what, continue bomb and bomb and starve because enemies exist?

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973521#Comment_122973521

Israel have barred journalists from entering the gaza strip. In israel there's no reporting on how it's affecting civilians. The are living in a bubble of their own creation, with the exception of Haaretz, which the Israeli government is attempting to enforce a boycott on. The Israeli government refuses to talk to media outlets that are critical of it.

We get news from multiple sources. We have a free media. And we consume media from around the world.

I asked yesterday if anyone could show me a single piece, hosted on any Irish news site, that shows the level of ignorance and bigotry that was in that piece on the times of israel. No-one replied.

Thelonious Monk

Where's the voice of Ireland's consciousness Bono on all this by the way? I reckon Mossad have all kinds of dirt on him. What a prick. I'd love to see his gigs boycotted here in future.

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973544#Comment_122973544

Your last sentence there - I haven't heard one person say that, have you (genuinely)?

ZeroThreat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973590#Comment_122973590

Don't waste your effort on him. Danzy is a pure troll, he spent a lot of time over on the Eoin Hayes shares scandal thread the other week, trying to shoehorn anti-semitism into the conversation multiple times and steer the narrative away from Soc Dems towards Israel topic.

Palmach

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122964992#Comment_122964992

They didn't bomb any school or hospital. They attacked hospitals where they thought hostages were hiding. As there is footage of Hamas taking hostages into hospitals that was nor unreasonable.

Grayson

The Journal have a fact check on the anti Irish propaganda that's been floating around.

https://www.thejournal.ie/israel-claims-ireland-change-definition-of-genocide-condemn-hamas-6574998-Dec2024/

Slingshot Israel was launched by Israeli advertising firm AdFreeway in January 2024 and lists the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate and Ministry of Diaspora Affairs and Combating Antisemitism among its partners.

“Slingshot promotes Israel across 200,000+ websites and platforms, bypassing social media, where we have reached more than 20 million unique people,” the project’s website reads. 

So it might actually be an Israeli government department that's funding the false propaganda.

felonious_Gru

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973335#Comment_122973335

Israel are happy to level an entire apartment block and kill a hundred people in order to take out a member of Hamas

felonious_Gru

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973423#Comment_122973423

Jewish Americans are more likely to have served in the IDF than the U.S army , a remarkably small number of Jews in America have traditionally served in the military

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973813#Comment_122973813

They do and have bombed schools, over 200 in fact and completely destroyed 53 schools.

Why would they be dropping bombs on schools they though hostages where being held? Have any of the 200+ bombed schools resulted in hostages being rescued? Because I just understand any of it. It just looks like a policy of maximum destruction or as one UN official said, a policy of extermination.

tinytobe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122961441#Comment_122961441

Since you've asked during WW2 the grand mufti of Jerusalem was friends with Hitler, even met him in person. Their views on the Jews were pretty much the same.

I'd rather see the Irish struggle for independence from the British like the Jewish struggle to have their own state besides the majority of Arabs.

Opinions do differ gravely here. We agree to disagree and probably always will.

Just as some Irish are bothered by a Union flag, I am botherd by a Palesitinian flag.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973919#Comment_122973919

The whatabouttery is strong here.

Are you going back 80 years, to find one guy who met Hitler?

And the difference between our fight for independence and israel is that the Irish were being ruled, by an occupying force, that colonised our land.

Palestinians are currently fighting an occupying force that is colonising their land. That's what the settlements are. It's colonialism. I have yet to hear anyone try to defend the settlements. There's no security reasons for them. israelis are taking natural resources from Palestine, shipping it to Israel and at the same time settling the land. It's colonialism, pure and simple. The fact that anyone thinks it's anything other than morally reprehensible shows how strong the propaganda is.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973919#Comment_122973919

Your anecdote is merely a classic example of confirmation bias where you are looking for evidence to support your already preformed opinion on something.

I mean, if I am understanding your logic it's this. Palestinian flags in Ireland make you sad because:

1. Germans killed a lot of jewish people 80+ years ago
2. Hitler was the leader of Germany at that time
3. There was a muslim fella in Jerusalem, who was anecdotally a friend of Hitler and - gasp horror - even met him in person!!!!
4. Ergo, we should not be flying Palestinian flags and should be pretending we can't see them being murdered wholesale

Do you have a similar repulsion at seeing Ukrainian flags? The numbers of Russians killed in the second world war was multiples of the numbers of Jewish people killed during that period. And never mind finding one fella who was anecdotally a friend, there were plenty of collaborators of the Nazis there (as there were in other countries too).

So, I do have some pity for you, seeing Palestinian and Ukrainian flags about the place.

(BTW, and I have posted this before, but there were a number of Jewish terrorist groups inside Palestine that not only supported Hitler, but continued to support him even after news about Nazi atrocities because incontrovertible rather than just rumour ………… that's gonna mess your logic right up, ain't it?)

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973856#Comment_122973856

Serving in the IDF seems to have radicalised the adult Israeli population and left them full of hate. There's not much evidence of it being an uplifting or life affirming experience for them - most of them seem fully on board with the idea of war crimes and massacring of civilians.

tinytobe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973951#Comment_122973951

As said, we'd never agree.

I'd see it exactly the other way.

It's their promised holy land, the Jews are also the way older faith than Muslims.

It's Jewish first, Muslim second. It'll always be that way.