Israel closing their embassy in Dublin *Read OP for Mod Warning added 19/12/24*

"It's no wonder the rest of the world views us as a bunch of dim-witted anti-semites."

Citation needed.

I don't know what the rest of the world thinks, as that would be quite the achievement. But I do suspect that most of the rest of the world doesn't know/care/isn't stupid enough to view an entire nation as anti-Semitic due to many of its people expressing an objection to mass slaughter of civilians - on the basis of what one guy (whom most have no idea of) saying a thing. I reckon too that most of the rest of the world also condemns mass slaughter.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122972784#Comment_122972784

You had a correct point regarding Netanyahu then followed it up a needless lie. You are as bad as the politician you are criticising.

Slightly Kwackers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122971321#Comment_122971321

It suggests civilisation has a long way to go.

Maybe if the US was given back to its original owners, it would give civilisation a bit of a boost.

Whatever happens over the next four years will not do much for the worlds civilisation or justice I fear.

I totally fail to see how none combatants can be slaughtered like fish in a barrel.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122972784#Comment_122972784

If the rest of the world (you'll have to provide some link or source) are more concerned about Ireland being antisemitic and have absolutely no issues with mass war crimes, ethnic cleansing and genocide then I really would not give 2 **** about the rest of the world's concern.

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122971160#Comment_122971160

Its worth noting that the new US Treasury Secretary is a little irked that ireland has become a tax haven keeping funds out of his hands, naturally he is going to want to favour American.

Ireland has been in the crosshairs for being a tax haven for a good long while, I'm not sure anything has changed there.

Kermit.de.frog

"The Jews rule the world"

Beefcake82

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122972934#Comment_122972934

Lets see how many of these Irish ceos are actually Irish. -

Michael Corbat - Born: May 2, 1960 (age 64 years), Bristol, Connecticut, United States NOPE

James Patrick Gorman - Born: July 14, 1958 (age 66 years), Melbourne, Australia NOPE

Brian Moynihan - Born: October 9, 1959 (age 65 years), Marietta, Ohio, United States NOPE

Terry/Terrance Duffy - Born: August 15, 1958 (age 66 years), South Side, Chicago, Illinois, United States NOPE

Mike Cagney - Born in Trenton, New Jersey NOPE

Mike Doughty - June 10, 1970 Fort Knox, Kentucky NOPE

Martin Flanagan - born in Chicago, IL NOPE

Chrin Concannon - born USA NOPE

Timothy Sloan - Born: Cleveland, Ohio, United States NOPE

John Cryan - Born: December 16, 1960 (age 64 years), Harrogate, United Kingdom NOPE

So out of the 10 listed as Irish ceos, none of them are Irish, not born in Ireland, not held an Irish passport, not Irish period. Dont know why this garbage is posted about them being irish. as all but 1 are born in the US and 1 Brit.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122972957#Comment_122972957

First question - how many were born in Israel?

So anyone not born in Ireland is not Irish according to you.

You could say the exact same thing about Israel. Irish Americans tend to have a diddly eye approach but it's still a block that Irish governments have never fully utilised. Israel utilises everyone. I'd say underway at the moment (in the face of the coming administration) is a massive lobbying of Irish America by the government. Possibly the biggest in the history of the state and it's going to be needed.

Can you clarify which ones hold an Irish passport btw?

You clearly think those not born in Ireland are not Irish or don't feel the associations of their ancestors.

Maybe you need to start embracing them.

Beefcake82

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122972976#Comment_122972976

Them having Irish ancestry does not make them Irish, no more than if i had russian ancestry i would be russian. With the exception of the last chap born in the UK, the rest are born, lived and stayed in the US, there is no data i can find to show they ever resided here, sought to be residents etc.

Nor am i asserting anyone not born in Ireland is not Irish, there are plenty here holding Irish passports who were not born here who i would be happy to consider Irish.

My point in highlighting this, is the posted pics showing Irish flags next to 10 of the 12 people is disingenuous as to the nationalities of these CEO as if to deflect that Ireland has some control of Wall Street or similar as if to point blame or a target at us as a country.

Peregrinus

I think the point is not to suggest that Wall Street is dominated by Irish people, but to rebut the suggestion that is dominated by Jewish people (who are assumed to be pro-Israel/pro-Zionist).

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973020#Comment_122973020

This is what diaspora is all about. It's about distance but also closeness through family and inheritance.

As I said this state has not done what Israel has done which is to exploit everyone to the betterment of the homeland, as they would say.

I think your perspective is damaging to Ireland but you are entitled to it. What else have we got if we alienate all these people in position of influence? It could be, no matter how distant to Ireland they are, they could help us and may well be more than willing to do so.

Like Israel I think a small country that is lucky to have "plastic paddies" in abundance needs to use that to it's advantage.

DayInTheBog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122967297#Comment_122967297

It's fine preventing civilian deaths but how do you stop a civilian getting killed when firing at the rocket launcher in their kitchen manned by a member of a terrorist organisation?

DayInTheBog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122971321#Comment_122971321

How do you define an apartheid state? South Africa I can understand but Israel has an Arab Muslim Khaled Kabub who is a supreme court judge. It ha Arab Muslim football players. It has businesses run my Arabs and Jews. It has Arab Muslims in its defence forces. . What's apartheid about that? ( Couldn't get the bold print off)

Calahonda52

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122969665#Comment_122969665

what is your measure of "more effective"?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122972934#Comment_122972934

Who said that?

Edit: seems someone did say it. It's a stupid, anti-Semitic slur.

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973124#Comment_122973124

He can actually do stuff he said he will.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973124#Comment_122973124

I wouldn't read too much into Trumps "control" of the senate. While the republicans have 53 of the 100 seats he needs a super-majority (60) to pass any major legislation.

He still has the powers of the executive order. Like what he had between 2017-2021.

What he does have the power to do, and what I suspect he will do, is reduce corpo tax in the United States to the same level as Ireland.

The closure of the Israeli embassy, the "anti-semetic comments" made by the ambassador and the high ranking Israel supporters in a lot of major corporations have a lot of people worried about the perfect storm.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973253#Comment_122973253

I'm not convinced big companies will be all that bothered about a diplomatic spat between Ireland and Israel, there's a touch of storm in a teacup about it. If we had shut down the embassy and kicked the Israelis out, that would be much more of an issue.

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973078#Comment_122973078

I don't know the answer to that.

But answer me this, is blockading food, medicine and water to all men women and children, mass bombing apartment buildings, schools and hospitals, bombing refugee camps, sniping at old women and children, using tanks to blow up cars with civilians inside, the right way?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973321#Comment_122973321

There are clear rules of war saying you must protect civilian life if you know your actions will almost certainly lead to death of civilians. For example, if a Hamas leader was travelling on board a regular passenger bus, it is expressly forbidden under international law to blow up that bus, a very clear war crime or terrorist act.

Francis McM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973078#Comment_122973078

That is a very good question. Nobody likes to see civilians getting killed but there before and since the Oct '23 attack on civilians in Israel ( 1200 killed, numerous others kidnapped etc ) there were amd are countless more attacks on Israelis. They have a right to defend themselves from their neighbours who want to see all Israels suffer the same fate as happened in Oct '23.

As someone else said remember that the new US Treasury Secretary is bound to be more than a little irked that Ireland has become a tax haven keeping funds out of his hands, naturally he is going to want to favour American. That's a problem for Ireland, when you also remember his brother died at Jihadi hands, along with 65 out of 100 Co-workers, add in he is Jewish. Do you think he is going to be impressed with the lunatic lefty President Higgins prancing around in an Arab headscarf in front of pro-Palestinian posters?

Mod Edit: Poster warned for trolling

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973253#Comment_122973253

Israeli's and Jews are not all hive minded. They are divided on the war in Gaza, particularly in America, and are split between right and left, young and old etc, just like other Americans.

They can see what is happening in Gaza just like we can - some think it is justified, some do not. The war crimes will come out eventually, and I would suspect that when it does very few of them will stand behind these massacres and shameless propaganda.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973078#Comment_122973078

It all depends on what Israel use to destroy the rocket launcher and the threat Israel faces from the rocket launcher. If they drop a 2000lb bomb and level the entire building killing scores of civilians, that to me seems like overkill and not trying to minimize civilian deaths at all.

If they fire a tank shell or hellfire missile directly at the kitchen, that would seem to be they are trying to minimize civilian casualties or anything other than using a 2000lb bomb.

Francis McM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973321#Comment_122973321

Less than a third of one percent of Palestinians - about one in 300 - have died in the current conflict. When you remember the amount of combatants / terrorists on the Palestian side, that is a very low figure. If the Israelis were deliberately targeting civilians, the same as Hamas targeted anyone Jewish in the attack of Oct 23, rest assured the total would be a lot higher.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973368#Comment_122973368

Why don't you actually answer the question that was posed?

Your stats are nonsense by the way. Sums up your post really.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973292#Comment_122973292

I think a bigger problem for us is our over-reliance on American companies for our FDI. I for one can't see many of the Arab corporations setting up shop here

To an extent I would agree, Ireland has other things to offer major corpos like a growing population, high education standards, English speaking and generally we are much more productive than a lot of our global counterparts, China being one major exception.

I do wonder how much weight they all hold over a combination of profit margins and religious ideology though…

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973349#Comment_122973349

I hope you're right, at the moment it's all political commentary from both sides. Wouldn't it be something if this spat and Trump 2.0 actually turned out to be better for Ireland?

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973368#Comment_122973368

Source?

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973051#Comment_122973051

But… when people say jews run the world, they're not talking about israelis. they're talking about jewish people as an ethnic group. So it would be jewish americans that americans are talking about.

Americans would view an american saying they're Irish, as them referring to where their ancestors came from. We don't think of those people as Irish, but irish americans would still refer to themselves as Irish. So by that kind of standards the meme could be considered correct. It's not jewish americans who run the banks, it's Irish americans.

But really, it's all just language choices and how people choose to understand the statement.

IRE60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973368#Comment_122973368

You should seek a position in the IDF. What a ridiculous assertion, I meant beyond stupid and flies in the face of all the reliable sources. The UN puts the figure at 43,000+ :

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/unfpa-sitrep-01nov2024/

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122973384#Comment_122973384

Look, who knows how this plays out. There are Irish and Jewish Americans at the highest levels of American life who know each other extremely well, have worked together for years, v high up in politics (republican and dem), and of course in the upper echelons of business who will be scratching their heads at this whole ridiculous slandering malarkey that is going on.

This is a desperate government in war mode producing propaganda against those they see as a threat , due to Ireland's moral and legal stance on this issue and the Irish influence in America. It is v transparent.