March 8th - What’s your vote? **Mod Note In Post #677**

Sunny Disposition

Even with all mainstream parties advocating for yes votes, there were two landslides for no. Neither referendum was even close.

I think trust in politicians and parties is really low now. It has been since the recession and I don’t see any sign of it changing. The electorate are way more volatile now and there’s no sign of it settling.

FF and FG don’t have anything like the loyalty they once had. And they’re not as active as they once were either. FF in particular used to have a v strong grassroot structure. That’s almost gone now, and v few are joining either of the big two with the hope of seeing policy aims realised.

SF and the Greens are the parties with youthful energy now, but the market is wide open for a right wing party.

13 years after the landmark 2011 annihilation of FF, Irish politics still hasn’t found a new normal.

kowloonkev

Voting NO for both

Interesting that the so-called "conservative" boards.ie is almost an exact replica of the general public in this vote.

A lot of heads need to be removed from arses this morning.

Milominderbender

Heartening to see that a light is been shone on the NGO racket. More people are starting to ask why taxpayer funds are being wasted on paying far left activists who represent no one. Prime example in this case being the national women's council.

retalivity

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121873240#Comment_121873240

Labour's biggest problem is their leader, Bacik is a clown who should really be in the greens. She is as far removed from "Labour" as could be, even AK47 was somewhat more suitable. Her, and by extension Labour were falling over themselves to be ahead of the government that were actually promoting the constitutional changes, regardless of whether it was correct or not, as she/they have to be seen to be most progressive. Was comical hearing her giving out about how it was all the governments fault yesterday.

dulpit

Voting YES for both

Bacik is a typical social democrat. What do you think labour should be that makes her as far removed as possible?

retalivity

She's a champagne socialist, 30 years of swanning around trinity and the seanad, working for a "labour" movement while living in leafy portobello. Only interested in progressive issues that were typically left (i.e. abortion, gay marriage etc.), forgetting what the name of the party actually means or represents. Labour used to be the only game in town for lefty issues, but have been superseded by the greens, sd's and even sf. There was gains to be made trying to reclaim some working class vote, but they didnt go for it

downtheroad

Voting NO for both

https://www.newstalk.com/news/lead-by-example-tds-not-charged-for-deposit-return-scheme-in-leinster-house-1649969#Echobox=1710001672

How stupid are our politicians and civil servants. Did they honestly not think to lead by example here. Once again, out of touch.

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121873262#Comment_121873262

The economy is very strong but that has very little to do with the prowess of FFG

how strong our economy is depends on the trajectory of the U.S stock market, a well trained collie could keep the coffers flowing when tech etc is powering ahead in America

tom23

Voting NO for both

listening to Brendan O’Connor on RTE and he has a female journalist on who mentioned the influence of NGO on government policy and the unhappiness of TD’s that they have this influence. I’m delighted this is been called out. We seriously need to look at the taxpayers euro that’s going to these organisations.

KevMayo88

Voting NO for both

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121873490#Comment_121873490

The national womens council are a bunch of out-of-touch far-left activists. They are completely removed from the issues and concerns of Irish women. Yesterday, director Orla O'Connor said that even now the NWCI would continue to fight for "equality for women". What equality?

When the national womens council have a man claiming to be a woman on their executive board, then they have descended into farce, become completely deluded and cannot be taken in any way seriously as an organisation that claims to avocate for real women. They are a complete joke, and it is utterly shameful that public moneys are pissed away on funding them and their nonsense.

dulpit

Voting YES for both

The way that anti trans comments has forced its way into this thread since the result is quite sad.

freshpopcorn

People voted for the marriage referendum and the repeal the 8th for their family/friends/etc and not soundbits from TD's or Organisations in my experience.

Similar with these referendums speak to the average woman/carer/person with disabilities and they were voting No or changed to a No vote.

Glaceon

I am voting NO (family amendment)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121873949#Comment_121873949

I think the problem is caused by defining politics as simple left and right. In the past, Labour would have been to the left economically (where much of their traditional electorate would have been), but have certainly shifted right since Joan Burton's tenure. Socially they have shifted hard left whereas, from my experience, much of the traditional Labour electorate would have been indifferent or fairly conservative on social issues.

realdanbreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121873285#Comment_121873285

" working people unable to have kids" hehe. Ffs you couldn't make it up!

realdanbreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121874185#Comment_121874185

Spoken like a true man of the cloth!

KevMayo88

Voting NO for both

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121874253#Comment_121874253

Stating cold fact is not "anti trans".

Rothko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121874253#Comment_121874253

The mods have done a great job of removing them.

calculator

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121873285#Comment_121873285

Re: GPs, I've seen this a few times and I'm genuinely surprised. Not my experience at all. It's weird.

TinyMuffin

Voting NO for both

Pippa hacket another green minister on tv now. who is absolutely useless.

nachouser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121874496#Comment_121874496

Yeah, my GP is a walk-in clinic in the city centre. I've never waited more than an hour to be seen.

Hippodrome Song Owl

Voting NO for both

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121874496#Comment_121874496

I know that a new colleague has been unable to get a GP having moved here. As of last month not a single GP practice was accepting new patients in Lucan, Leixlip, Celbridge, or Maynooth.

AyeGer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121872331#Comment_121872331

O’Gorman in his arrogance thinks he knows what’s best for us. If he could he would sideline us all and make whatever changes he liked.

rob316

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121873956#Comment_121873956

Deputy O’Cathasaigh, however, said this strategy was unlikely. 

“There's very few TDs who are going to be packing their bags with a bunch of empty coke cans to the local Centra in order to get a deposit on it,” he said. 

There it is. The little people can do it but we won't be.

AyeGer

It’s a bit of a worry that all parties were in favour of this referendum yet the people have overwhelmingly said No. In some parts of the country the No vote was in excess of 80%. The people ruling over us are clearly out of touch with their voters.

I think our media establishment play a significant role in who we end up electing, anyone they don’t like or who says something that doesn’t align with their own world view they go after relentlessly.

Glaceon

I am voting NO (family amendment)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121874496#Comment_121874496

It’s a huge issue in Drogheda. I only got a GP place because my wife was already there.

Galwayguy35

Voting NO for both

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121870152#Comment_121870152

Definitely for SF and PBP because the less affluent areas that they need for votes seem to be turning against them.

SuperBowserWorld

Voting NO for both

We dodged a bullet with this referendum.

I think the genie is out of the bottle.

People no longer trust the government or the media.

It's a dangerous situation to be in. You can see what happened in the US.

The politicians in power and those waiting on the wings and the general media need to take a long hard look at themselves.

It's a small prosperous island country. And we are squandering billions and leaving people with no hope for the future. It should not be this hard. We should not be in this situation.

KevMayo88

Voting NO for both

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121874253#Comment_121874253

And just like the referendum, you and your position are the ones in the minority.

BrianD3

The more I think about this, the sweeter it is. One of the best parts is the backfiring of the hubristic strategy of having the vote on International Women's Day. Can just imagine multiple politicians and NGO reps preparing their reactions in advance, each one trying to out do the other "a historic and momentous day for Ireland and fitting that it happened on international women's day". LOL.