Barbie Kardashian is in a women's prison. Taoiseach's response to questions on this are here..

ingalway

Each day boundaries are getting pushed as some men become more emboldened.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1638651516574728192

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120389549#Comment_120389549

Or never. They've been talking about deleting that line for 30 years.

If they seek to remove it and insert a new phrase - good luck. It won't happen. That's my observation.

tayto lover

Never heard of this creepy character but how did it end up in a woman's prison?

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120389686#Comment_120389686

Got a gender recognition cert , after meeting another troubled teen in care ,

The experts didn't believe they were genuinely transgender,but they were considered extremely manipulative ,

So even when the experts say no someone here decided otherwise

apache

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120389686#Comment_120389686

Just self declaring female and getting legally recognised which dosen't seem to be much bother. Dosen't seem to be too much criteria to change gender. It's a mad world we live in. This is a serial sex assaulter we're talking about.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120389710#Comment_120389710

When this was previously brought up it was claimed by people supposedly in the know it was extremely difficult to get one , which supposedly involved a medical examination,but slowly but surely the truth came out that its essentially a tick the box exercise,

But now a certain minister wants to make it even easier for teens to change their gender and get a GRC

apache

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120389725#Comment_120389725

I was under the impression you needed medical and psychiatric reports etc. I'm shocked at how it's so easy to get.

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120385025#Comment_120385025

I don't care what they were born as or what they identify as, they should have to hand in their pink gender identification disc after that crime against cosmetics.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120389743#Comment_120389743

That's what I originally thought,

https://www.gov.ie/en/service/b55abf-gender-recognition-certificate/

apache

Crazy

ingalway

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120389686#Comment_120389686

You download a simple form - fill in the name you want to be known by, your preferred title, dob, address etc. Go to a Peace Commissioner or Notary Public or Commissioner for Oaths and sign it and that's it. No visit to any medical professional is ever needed. A signed form magically makes a man a woman and a woman a man. Once you get the Gender Recognition Cert you can then get a new birth certificate that actually records your birth as the opposite sex! New passport, new driving licence etc.

MilkyToast

Gosh. Who could possibly have seen this coming?

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Don't forget as well that it's extremely important to the Boards management that you not call adult male humans who have committed atrocious violent and sexual crimes men. Can't be having that. And remember to get their preferred pronouns right.

The rapists own your speech now. Congratulations.

P.S. BK is not the only violent sex offending male in Limerick women's prison - which happens to be the most overcrowded prison in Ireland.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120389290#Comment_120389290

Ruth is a crank and a hack.

A career opposition politician (not even that anymore) who wouldn't have a notion what to do if she was ever part of a government.

People like Her and the likes of Paul Murphy et al are nothing but spoofers, if they told me the sun was shining I'd bring an umbrella. Clowns.

Jarhead_Tendler

Any chance they can be deported back to Brazil? Let them deal with them

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120389961#Comment_120389961

By all accounts an Irish citizen now and if their home country won't take them back which they are not obligated too then they are stuck here,

Chances of actually getting deported from here is lottery odds

Jarhead_Tendler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120389965#Comment_120389965

Fair enough. You would have to respect the prison staff going in and dealing with these types of people on a daily basis. I don't think i would be able for it. it must be very intimidating.

MilkyToast

Interesting to see how many people have been blindsided by this or think that BK being allowed to change sex is some sort of anomaly. It isn't. Irish law is set up this way - any man who is prepared to lie on a form can now identify as a woman, and, for the most part, could sue any business that disallowed them from entering a women-only space for discrimination. Even if they're a baldy with a beard and a business suit.

I say interesting because this happened by design. A law firm called Dentons was commissioned to put together a "best practice" manual for people wanting to get self-identification laws in place, especially for children under 18. You can read their full report here, but here are a few highlights (feel free to read the document for yourself):

1.Target youth politicians

Activists found it particularly helpful to get youth wings political parties on side, as main wings of political parties are often keen to listen and take the views of their younger counterparts seriously. In some cases, activists found it useful to make the point that youth politicians are the senior politicians of the future and that any changes that they are in favour of will inevitably be the policies of the future and are more likely to be on “the right side of history”.

4.Anonymise the narratives

Most notably in Malta, TV programmes and/or other fictional narratives based upon real stories which are acted out have made an impact on swaying public perceptions.

5.Get ahead of the government agenda and the media story

In many of the NGO advocacy campaigns that we studied, there were clear benefits where NGOs managed to get ahead of the government and publish progressive legislative proposal before the government had time to develop their own. 

7.Tie your campaign to more popular reform

In Ireland, Denmark and Norway, changes to the law on legal gender recognition were put through at the same time as other more popular reforms such as marriage equality legislation. This provided a veil of protection, particularly in Ireland, where marriage equality was strongly supported, but gender identity remained a more difficult issue to win public support for.

8.Avoid excessive press coverage and exposure

In Ireland, activists have directly lobbied individual politicians and tried to keep press coverage to a minimum in order to avoid this issue.

11.Be wary of compromise

A final lesson from the campaigns we studied, is that activists should be wary of compromise; compromise can be a double-edged sword. For example, in Ireland, compromise on legal gender recognition for young trans persons was critical to getting the legislation passed, but it might take years to revise the legislation to render it more favourable to trans youth. 

So, the underlying ethos is all about keeping this issue and any say on it far away from the people, and employing tactics that make sure that the risks are minimised until it's too late for any mitigation efforts to be put in place.

"No compromise" is why you see the viciousness you do around this issue. And "target youth politicians" is why we suddenly have a youth assembly. Ireland is used as a shining example of how to use NGOs to cut out the people and dupe a government into a legal situation that can cause harms that politicians and media will shy away from even acknowledging - until something so heinous happens that the public consciousness is drawn to it - and then the politicians are left standing with their non-gendered penises in their hands, looking like deers in headlights.

It's an absolute farce. NGOs in Ireland are a menace and the sector needs serious overhaul and accountability.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120389810#Comment_120389810

Madness.

How did that get through the Oireachtas?

MilkyToast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120385359#Comment_120385359

I think this is a once off case rather than it being negligent of the dept of justice to detain this person in Limerick

It's not. Limerick women's prison already houses another “pre-operative, pre-hormone therapy”, male-to-female transgender prisoner who has been convicted of ten counts of sexual assault and one count of cruelty against a child.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120389709#Comment_120389709

You seem to know a bit about this violent person.

Was this person born in Brazil or Ireland?

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120390026#Comment_120390026

I'm pretty they aren't Brazilian, I'm pretty sure there parents are Venezuelan and they were born here

PaoloGotti

When we let people make up their own reality, the only logical conclusion is insanity.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120390057#Comment_120390057

OK, thanks. Elsewhere I read that this person is Brazilian. Ok.

So by birth here this person has citizenship? So the deportation idea is not possible?

I wonder how the parents got into the country?

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120390089#Comment_120390089

I don't think they could be deported under any circumstances,

The parents were involved in a court cases going back 10 + year's ago possibly due to then then child been taken into care , sadomasochism lifestyles or domestic abuse ,but it seems Tusla has been actively getting articles removed from various media outlets over the last few years,

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120389136#Comment_120389136

I don’t agree that sports organised by sex due to competitive concerns should allow individuals who identify as the opposite gender to their biological sex compete, however do some here honestly believe ladies sports teams are going to be full of trans women?

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120390302#Comment_120390302

No one’s ever said teams “are going to be full of trans women”. The concern in sport is about competing with and against trans women. This has already occurred in the GAA: https://extra.ie/2022/09/09/news/transgender-gaa-player-speaks-out

But this thread is about Barbie Kardashian in a women’s prison.

It is apparent these laws like self-ID were sneaked in without informed consent from the citizens of Ireland. No sane person would have voted to house violent biological male offenders in a womens prison.

We were tricked. These laws need to be repealed and whoever was behind them needs to be held accountable.

chopperbyrne

Is referendum the only way to change it now?

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120390351#Comment_120390351

The biggest issue it's not just the mother it's all women and girls are in danger if they are released In the next few years

ingalway

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120390302#Comment_120390302

If you have only one full grown man who 'identifies' as female on say a rugby team imagine the risks to the opposing team.

In MMA Fallon Fox, a trans fighter, fractured the skull of a female fighter then Fox tweeted about how much she enjoyed doing it.

https://www.mmanews.com/news/bbc-interviewer-fallon-fox-2

There are now several examples of males who were at best mediocre in their sporting area who have now set new records as a female athlete. Imagine being a woman or girl who has trained for years and you lose a place on the team because a fully developed male gets your place. Or imagine losing out on a medal/prize money because a male, who would never even be selected let alone win anything in that class if competing as a male, gets that medal or money and you are placed 4th. Then you have to share the changing area and showers.