Barbie Kardashian is in a women's prison. Taoiseach's response to questions on this are here..

Spanish Eyes

There has been some publicity lately about the Barbie Kardashian case. This person is an intact male, extremely violent and is incarcerated in the women's estate (Limerick Prison) as he identifies as a woman.

The Taoiseach (inter alia) was asked for his views and they are as shown in the attached twitter clip. I realise that the media outlet concerned is seen as dubious by many, but the questions and the responses are very real, and the topic is rarely covered by MSM.

Do you agree that males identifying as women should be in women's spaces? I do not, and the recent similar Scottish case of Isla Bryson has brought the issue into more focus. Nicola Sturgeon who supported males in women's prisons is now gone from leadership of the SNP and Isla Bryson has been moved to a male prison.

Males identifying as women should not be allowed in any women only spaces. Discuss.

https://twitter.com/griptmedia/status/1638242240609804288

JohnnyFortune

Males should not be in female only spaces full stop. Doesn’t matter if they wear a dress or have a certificate.

This madness needs to stop.

tinsofpeas

I'm not particularly invested in these issues, but I saw earlier that there's a man identifying as a woman (whatever the term is) on the board of the national women's council. Not too popular with women apparently.

Why not all lads on the board?

Come on, now, it's all getting a bit too silly. Funny stuff.

Galwayguy35

Barbie Kardashian, I think he should have picked Ronald McDonald as his name based on the photo in the link.

O Gorman looked terrified they might ask him his opinion.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120385000#Comment_120385000

That's mad Ted!

Sweet.Science

This has to be the straw that broke the camels back

Complete insanity

Mullaghteelin

Another failure of Irish media that we aren't already all familiar with this case. If our media cannot report such stories without some lobby group or NGO condemning the coverage, then we have bigger problems than the media itself.

I'm not sure if our media even mentioned Nicola Sturgeon's troubles on this issue. They covered the initial clash between Westminster and the Scottish Parliament, speculating that it may speed up Scottish Independence. Later, they covered Sturgeon's resignation.

But what happened in between? It disappeared from our news cycle for a couple of weeks while Sturgeon was unable to answer "what is a woman? "

A Dub in Glasgo

Utterly deranged to think this is right

Spanish Eyes

It will be interesting to see if legacy media cover this further, and ask the same questions. That is the problem right there, they won't and they haven't, they are all captured. It is quite dangerous in my view anyway, as topics such as this are not reported on for the public to see how ludicrous it all is.

Whatever your views on Gript are it has to be acknowledged that they (Ben Scallan) asked the questions loud and clear and left no room for wriggling. It makes me nostalgic for the days when journos were journos, not parrots, and not afraid of asking probing direct questions without looking over their shoulders at the next NGO waiting to attack them.

Media control is a bit sinister to me anyway.

Sweet.Science

Barbie Kardashian lol . When are we allowed say most of these people just have mental health issues?

Potential-Monke

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120385145#Comment_120385145

Knowing nothing about this... person, I can only assume this isn't mental health but more a ploy to get closer to victims in order to perform violent acts via their vaginas. That's just me putting 2 and 2 together though. People even question 2+2=4 these days. I do enjoy watching overpaid politicians squirm though.

That thing should be nowhere near women.

Donald Trump

They're keeping her there for her own safety for whenever Burke gets put back into the men's prison.

TooTired123

Leos lying about not knowing about this clown show before now. Michael Martin struggling to keep the smirk off his smug face. Roderic O’Gorman holding his breath in terror lest he be asked his opinion.

Well done Gript.

Count Dracula

I think if the person has demonstrated violent tendencies then they are obliged to be incarcerated in solitary confinement.

I understand that the Limerick Female prison has the best facilities for female sex offenders who could be a danger to other prisoners. The reality is that it is extremely rare for female criminals to be violent irrationally or employ violence to utilise their crimes.

I think this is a once off case rather than it being negligent of the dept of justice to detain this person in Limerick, it is actually utilising the best option of keeping all our prisoners safe from other violent prisoners.

It is highly likely that the asylum built in Skerries is either not ready for this person as regards facilitating her rehabilitation, or it may not be legally able to incarcerate her while they are awaiting trail or judgement.

Op, what has this person been incarcerated for exactly?

I think the notion of transgender criminals being violent criminals is not only unfair, but also an irrational argument. It has been accepted by psychologists globally that there is no correlation between transgenders and their potential to be violent or a danger to other people, they are generally very passive and not interested in violence.

Regrettably this case will give polarised agenda's an opportunity to vilify their ignorance by using this example to criticise transgenderism. But it is my understanding that in this instance it has been decided that Limerick is the safest place for this matter, given its circumstances. I also understand that it is a short term measure.

Deja Boo

Do you agree that males identifying as women should be in women's spaces? 

No. This is not done for anyone elses comfort or safety, but their own. Since when are violent prisoners given such rights over others?

Spanish Eyes

@Count Dracula

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41094889.html

But you can google just like I can.

Count Dracula

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120385411#Comment_120385411

The Gards did their job by advising the judge that she was a danger to other prisoners. Limerick Female prison has the best solitary confinement facilities I would assume?

I don't think it would be safe for that person in normal prison. It would be impossible for sharing rooms, that person would be a danger to everyone.

Limerick may well have the best facilities for this particular imprisonment?

Why, do you think that the state has put this person there because they think they are a woman? Why not the Dochas centre or other safer environments?

This goes back to what i mentioned before. The greatest tragedy here is that it enables anyone with an agenda around this issue to start outraging it, in any way, shape or form. But the state has to consider everyone's safety here. I would imagine this is short term until a proper sex offenders unit becomes available, there may not be a better solve at the moment?

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120385145#Comment_120385145

Obviously this man is unwell.

He is Brazilian, although I read that he was/is based in Trim, Co. Meath.

By his own words, he is very violent.

He should not be in the country, nevermind a female prison.

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120385242#Comment_120385242

Burke said he could not accept transgenderism due to his Christian beliefs

Varadkar has said biological males should not be put into women's prisons

Which one is woke, racist or just being honest?

hotmail.com

There is almost universal concensus that this person should be in a male prison.

I doubt anyone would say anything different.

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120385770#Comment_120385770

Well the likes of RTE news, the largest news agency funded by the Irish people, have nothing to say about it whatsoever

fritzelly

Reading some of the stuff about them I would think the male prisoners would be well advised to be scared of them too!

This issue of men identifying as female for an easier sentence in a womens prison has to come to an head and be done away with completely

Gen.Zhukov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120385795#Comment_120385795

They'll take a look at it once every other news outlet in the country has covered it

Beechwoodspark

Typical BS answer from LV and the rest of them look terrified they’d be asked about it

Cluedo Monopoly

We must be close to peak madness or wokeness now.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120385233#Comment_120385233

Considering they had a plan to rape her own mother, who had to be moved to another part of the country for their own safety, psychologist say they aren't genuinely transgender,but yet still received a cert , hence why they were sent to a woman's prison

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120385731#Comment_120385731

I don't really care to be honest.

I thought it would be obvious that I made that post up to take the piss out of the situation.

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120385927#Comment_120385927

Sarcasm isn't understood on boards.

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120385927#Comment_120385927

Fair enough I wasn't having a dig at you so I should not have quoted you

Kermit.de.frog

Can't be long now before the asteroid extinction event. Nature has it's way of correcting things. We are so far beyond 'fall of Rome' sh!t now in the world (and they thought their society was decadant, vapid and deranged in the end!).

purifol0

Leon getting praise for "being honest"...lol.

He took one look at what happened to Sturgeon and read the room.

He hasn't made or proposed any changes to the law

Beechwoodspark

Having read some of the background of this animal, there is a strong case for permanent incarceration.

newhouse87

Very surprised none of the usual suspects on boards are here to defend this "womans" rights. Maybe everybody is seeing how ridiculous this is all becoming.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120385142#Comment_120385142

The problem is that any coverage of such stories = transphobia in the minds of trans activists.

I recently heard a professor on the radio who deals with the medical reality of transitioning saying that activists are having too much of an influence on how the issue is dealt with to the point where medical professionals are afraid to anger them with scientific findings they may not agree with.

The tail is wagging the dog on this issue and has been for a long time.

Saying this particular person should not be in a female prison isn't the same as saying trans people should be shunned from society but somehow that's where we are.

A Dub in Glasgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120386429#Comment_120386429

Dept of Justice is led by the Minister for Justice who reports to the Taoiseach

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120385145#Comment_120385145

It is possible for this individual to be seriously mentally unstable and this not to be the case for "most of these people".

Extrapolating the characteristics of an entire group from a single individual is the very definition of prejudice.

And to be clear they should not be in women's prison, lest I be accused of something I havn't said.

donaghs

Leo Varadker effectively seems to be saying the law is wrong. Self ID as it stands it wrong. So what should be done?

But his take on it is still unsatisfying to all sides of the "debate"?

So far it goes like this? < A man can become a woman if they identify as a woman. and they should be treated as a woman in all respects after this point. BUT, if they have a history of violence towards women, they cannot be sent to a woman's prison ?

That seems to undermine the whole point of "trans women are women".

Neyite

The issue was never about transgender women using women's spaces. I'm late forties and and finding the occasional transgender woman in a bathroom in a club was par for the course, and was not a big deal. We all knew where we stood. Those women were friendly and respectful and used the bathrooms like women do.

The issue is that men - who are not transgender - the flashers, pervs and the rapists that used to get ran off or the gardai called on them can now legitimately Self-ID and go into the very spaces they'd previously would have been hauled out of by security, flash or molest to their hearts content. And if women or girls speak up about this, they get accused of transphobia. Never underestimate the extreme lengths sexual predators will go to achieve their aims. There are men who carefully groom for years, train for years in a profession where they can access victims easily. Do we really think a notarised self ID form is going to be a problem for them?

Self ID was a noble idea, however it's turned into a very neat loophole for the very men that it was designed to protect women (including transgender women), from.

Prison-Onset-Gender Dysphoria is increasingly becoming common among men who have been convicted of sex crimes. TBF, you can see why they would identify as female. Women typically get lower sentences, and sex offenders are usually a vulnerable group in mens prisons. So you have the opportunity to get a shorter sentence, and be not only protected from your predators but also gain access to a pool of vulnerable prey for yourself - all you have to do is sign and notarise a form and away you go.

There's no easy answer. But maybe we can start with scrapping the 'no debate' mantra. Because clearly a discussion about how we protect both transgender people and women & girls needs to be had. Because the way it is now, it's harm for both groups.

lawrencesummers

Surely voluntarily changing your name to kardashian is enough to be landed in a mental institute with no additional need for psychiatric evaluation.

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120386763#Comment_120386763

I agree with your overall points. i.e. the "no debate" mantra. Unfortunately I don't think its a binary thing. i.e. that there are people who ARE really transgender and people who are just PRETENDING. Transgender is tiny tiny proportion of the population, but within that there is a huge spectrum of different behaviours, etc.

There are certainly some male perverts who will use the Self-ID excuse to do their thing. But the idea that a male who identifies as female could never be abusive physically or sexually towards a woman is just ideological blindness.

hotmail.com

Given that the Taoiseach has said this, how likely is it that this person will be moved to a men's prison today?

hotmail.com

Ruth Coppinger standing up for convicted criminals now.

She says convicted trans women should serve their time only in a women's prison.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120386598#Comment_120386598

Their dramatic extremism is what allows them such power, and societies inability to recognize when a group is essentially emotionally manipulating them. It started out with the "trans people exist" nonsense when no one said that they didn't, they've now evolved into literally calling any opposition to anything that they push as "genocide". They are forcing people into a position of non opposition, because if you dare oppose anything they do you're all but a genocidal lunatic in their eyes.

https://twitter.com/AlyAlyOutnFree/status/1632137002278694912

https://twitter.com/TerceraVenida/status/1634323667650768896

Jequ0n

If details on the individual’s background are accurate they are likely to have far greater issues than their self identified gender and they should be in a facility that is equipped to deal with them.

There is no benefit in keeping them in a regular prison to just see through their sentence.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120386939#Comment_120386939

You have to laugh at that second tweet moaning about capitalist countries trying to roll back LGBTQ rights and "genocide trans people" with their hammer and sycle communist logo.

They should go to China and see how the Communist party deals with LGBTQ rights.

The modern left are insane.

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120387070#Comment_120387070

She dont like getting replies either. Think she chooses who can reply. Very like china in that sense i suppose.

Spanish Eyes

A chink of sunlight on this piece from (WHOA!) the Indo, I am surprised they have reported it, but pleased at the same time.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/taoiseach-leo-varadkar-says-violent-biological-males-should-not-be-in-womens-prisons-42398546.html

Nothing so far from the super mouthpiece of Government RTE, or from the super woke "paper of record" the IT, neither of which omissions surprises me in the least. Treat us like mushrooms, keep in the dark and feed us sh!t.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120387070#Comment_120387070

An extreme of an extreme is not the "modern left"

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120387179#Comment_120387179

I'm assuming you take the same view when it comes to extreme right wing views as well.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120387216#Comment_120387216

Of course. Thing is the extreme right now characterises anything from Centre right and centre as extreme left.

SnazzyPig

I only heard of this case over the weekend  - says Varadker, yet he was well aware of the case in Scotland.

Also preparing to throw Harris under the bus.