Eviction after 50 years

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121146021#Comment_121146021

Nope. THIS is what’s wrong with the housing market.

“Probably spent more in rent over that period than to buy a home at some point. And still have nothing to show for it.”

Of course they’ve something to show for it. A roof over their heads for 50+ years. Somewhere to start a family.

imagine putting this stupid analogy on other services. €50 a month on electricity? €30k gone over 50 years and nothing to show for it. €20 a week on petrol for 50 years? €52k gone and nothing to show for it. You get a home, shelter, and everything that goes with it for your rent money.

herbalplants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121146509#Comment_121146509

Well said!!

I can add to that. I spent thousands of flights on the last 25 years and nothing to show, I should own a plane by now 🤣

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121145999#Comment_121145999

A house co-owned with his parents! So why can't they move in there?

Kilbarrack is on the DART line, the kids would be able to get to school in Blackrock handy enough.

Come November 16 they'll go back to Court asking for more time because "Christmas".

mrslancaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121150677#Comment_121150677

If this case was in the courts, then it must have gone through the rtb first and the tenants ignored the rtb decision.

How does that work? I thought the rtb was set up to replace the courts for tenant and landlord disputes. Does an rtb decision not have the same weight as a court/judge decision? Whats the point of having the rtb dispute service if it ends up before a judge anyway.

JCN12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121145222#Comment_121145222

The irony of Paul Murphy complaining about protestors outside his house, when his colleague in PBP Richard BB. now doing the very same.

I feel for the executor. Tough times.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121153194#Comment_121153194

It doesn't. What is worse the RTB BBwill enforce it decisions on LL eviction's against LL's in courts but will not try to enforce eviction decisions against tenants. Therefore tenants overhold with impunity and LL have to spend a serious amount of money getting them enforced.

On RBB I imagine these gits or there families are supporters of his and canvass for him.

RichardAnd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121153237#Comment_121153237

Indeed. I would have thought that such a creature like Murphy wouldn't even believe in private property.

NewbridgeIR

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121153395#Comment_121153395

Correct. Their "all property is theft" mantra seems to be selective. If you push some of them hard enough then they may agree that they have no issue with people owning a house and living in it themselves.

RichardAnd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121153414#Comment_121153414

Scratch the surface of any socialist or communist and you'll find a self-interested, hyper individual.

HerrKuehn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121153550#Comment_121153550

The right focuses on "mine", the left is focused on "me" and what others should do for "me"

WHen this country had little or no money we managed to build quality public housing.

The government today has apparently 60 billion euro to play with and we cannot house people.

Please explain what has happened.

HerrKuehn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121153674#Comment_121153674

It was easy to find people to work on building sites because of the high unemployment. Houses were basically concrete shells without heating systems, single glazed windows, the land to build on was cheap, etc.

Also, government has decided to move away from whole social estates due to the problems. As someone who grew up in a council estate, I have to say I agree with this policy, especially nowadays when a lot of the people on the list are not working (you can see stats for this as the breakdown of the housing list is published). Those pushing for a return to social housing estates didn't live in them e.g. Eoin O'Broin, grew up in leafy Cabinteely and went to Blackrock college.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121153674#Comment_121153674

we managed to build quality public housing

Where exactly is this "quality public housing"?

padd b1975

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121153395#Comment_121153395

Lol.

He traded up to where he lives now.

Settled his property tax bill too along the way.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121153800#Comment_121153800

You wouldn't have to be living in social housing to benefit from there being enough of it in the country (which there isn't)

Anyone trying to buy privately would benefit massively from the removal of artificial competition for the houses they are trying to buy.

HerrKuehn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121154191#Comment_121154191

Oh I get that. But lumping large numbers of people from disadvantaged backgrounds into estates didn't work very well. Many of the council estates have anti-social behavior problems. The people on the housing lists now are even more likely to be unemployed than they were in the 80's when social housing was the normal way working class families were housed.

L1011

Politics to the politics forum

mrslancaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121154114#Comment_121154114

Cant speak for parts of the country outside dublin, but there are plenty of council housing developments here that are good quality and these days they sell for large sums. Most of those council houses are near the city, have large gardens as well as public green spaces, near transport, schools etc. I dont recall ever hearing about any public housing that had construction problems. The first 'flats' complexes built in the 30's were typically 4/5 stories and are now protected structures afaik and other multi-storey developments that were built in the 50/60's are still occupied.

Agree that a lack of maintenance by the council in flat complexes can cause huge issues eg lifts not working or damp conditions, but don't agree that our social housing is poor quality or built to a lower standard than private developments.

HerrKuehn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121154678#Comment_121154678

I am not talking about construction problems, I am talking about social problems. Some council estates, especially the older ones like 1950's etc, say e.g. Sallynoggin, are fine now. They have basically become gentrified. I would argue that the makeup in terms of households on the housing list is very different to what it was 40 years ago. It has been deemed a better strategy to distribute social housing among private housing estates so we don't have the same clustering of "Low Work Intensity" households.

JCN12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121154239#Comment_121154239

When you look at what's happening in private estates now though, one would argue that's it's not working very well either.

HerrKuehn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121154729#Comment_121154729

Yeah, well I don't disagree with that. But I suppose the government is looking at what is best in aggregate and they see that as being spreading social housing out, so everyone gets to deal with a bit of it rather than 100% of it being in some areas. I can say at least where I grew up very few went to college, I was the only person I knew who did. I suppose spreading lower income/no income out means having a few more "good influences", to the potential downfall of the unwitting "good influences" themselves.

RichardAnd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121154239#Comment_121154239

A lot of the areas today associated with large-scale social housing were built as part of tenement clearances. Ballyfermot, for example, was largely populated by people from north-side tenements. These people probably wanted to stay together to preserve the communities.

HerrKuehn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121154876#Comment_121154876

That isn't the case for all problematic areas and yes, I read the same book as you (Dublin Tenement Life) quite a while ago. The area I grew up in had nothing to do with the inner city and it had plenty of social issues. Did you grow up in social housing?

RichardAnd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121154902#Comment_121154902

I didn't.

HerrKuehn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121155662#Comment_121155662

Anyone I know who were able to moved away. There is just too much anti social behavior from a small minority and zero enforcement from the councils. It could be just small things like kids throwing stones at your window, or more serious things like needing to stay out of the way of fairly dangerous people. I don't think it is a good idea to go back to these 100% social estates and the only people who seem to want to have never lived in one.

RichardAnd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121155991#Comment_121155991

Probably not, no. However, I think that the whole model of social housing is not going to be sustainable going forward. The current model where people who do not work (home-grown or imported) are given accommodation whilst working people are left to rent hovels or pay decades-long mortgages is financially and ethically unsustainable. Let's see what happens.

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121153800#Comment_121153800

Surely you could build estates off the housing lists with a mix of workers/unemployed on the list to avoid ghettoisation.

I grew up on a council estate. Would buy a house back there today if I had the money.

HerrKuehn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121156593#Comment_121156593

https://assets.gov.ie/251070/08141c16-61e0-4686-9e72-02a57da5507d.pdf

In Fingal it is 76% on welfare only

That is the reality of the housing list nowadays. Across all councils 50% on welfare only. In some areas like Fingal it is much higher. In the 80's most people worked in council estates. Now the picture is completely different WITH NEW APPLICANTS.

I think it would be best to use social estates for working people only. Maybe break half into affordable rent, allocate some of this for essential workers who need to live in the area. The other half use for social, but only for workers. Keep leases to something like 5 years. It doesn't make sense to me that people like John Brady TD would still live in a subsidised house when he has a figure salary.

For those who have no history of working, they could use HAP.

Deeec

Right I know I am probably going to get in trouble from some people with this view but here goes......

Large scale social housing was never the problem. The problems were caused by usually a few families of thugs. Any neighbours causing social issues in a residential area should just be evicted and should to be left homeless. Its the only way they will learn to behave. The councils and government are too generous to these thugs and their behaviours are then learned by the next generation. They know they are untouchable and continue to cause trouble for good law abiding residents. Parents should be fined if their kids are behaving badly etc.

To sum up I think not everyone deserves a house - good people deserve a house and bad people deserve nothing. At the first sign of trouble they should be evicted and this should be enforced.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121155991#Comment_121155991

The irony is those many of those very estates are actually unaffordable today - all gentrified. What most people would have turned their nose up at 30 years ago are now in high demand- whilst small houses, big gardens (relative to todays new build standards) mean extendability- and of course very close to Dublin City, for the ones I’m thinking about.

I never lived in a social housing estate but sorry to say, when young, myself and all my friends stayed well clear of the ones near us- we were genuinely afraid even walking close by to them- fear of the unknown I guess- victims and perpetrators of prejudice at the same time - and lack of understanding.

But whilst older and wiser, I wouldn’t want to see such estates again - some bad apples amongst mostly lovely people gave the estates a terrible name and made life very difficult for all- especially parents trying to keep their children on the straight and narrow- a lot of good people went bad on those estates