Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122640734#Comment_122640734

The heart of the matter, why the protests to begin with

kabakuyu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122640734#Comment_122640734

Coming soon to RTE, "Following the money Inside the Irish Asylum racket".

McGrath5

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122640749#Comment_122640749

The disgusting racist behaviour is the heart of the matter here.

EveryoneKnowsNobodyCares

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122640390#Comment_122640390

No, and they really should. And if they don't, someone else should. But it's got to be a fair, impartial, unbiased piece of film.

EveryoneKnowsNobodyCares

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122640286#Comment_122640286

Of course it's not acceptable. I think Strazdas's point is that if you accommodate people wrongly in terms of failure to integrate them, allowing ghettoisation to happen, etc, then you're going to see what's been described here as happening in Sweden (and I know nothing about it so I must get reading). But violent behaviour from "brown people" is not acceptable. Nor from whites either. And especially not when it's against the brown people just for being not white.

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122640390#Comment_122640390

Did you watch the originally documentary and any thought on the vile people exposed on it?

This whataboutery it's a poor reflection on your posting.

EveryoneKnowsNobodyCares

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122638670#Comment_122638670

Hmmm... You'd have to hope that people will realise that most of the protesters are peaceful and that it's the few loudmouth racist numpties who are the bad apples that cause the whole lot of them to be condemned. That's been on the back of my mind anyway as I watched it; you'd have to hope that people who are unaware won't suddenly just think they're all like that. A lot of people have non-racist reasons to oppose immigration. I don't oppose it at all really, but we can't actually handle what we do have and I think it's time to stop it. But not to the extent that I'll shout obscenities at the first dark-skinned person I see. That what the racists do. They're just filled with hate.

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122641288#Comment_122641288

I don't condone the scumbag rioters but the ordinary scared citizens concerns should be listened to, it is easy for the government and ngos to lay the blame on the "far right" and just ignore the reasons for the protests to begin with

Anyone engaging in violence and thuggery behaviour should be arrested and punished but it should not over shadow people's concerns and fears which the government seem to ignore

We are taking in too many and cannot cope, resources are stretched, no accommodation but our government hasn't the stones to man up and say stop, no more, I think we should only be taking from active war zones and definitely stopping undocumented

I don't know how anyone can say Ireland is managing the situation and we are not full

downthemiddle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122641316#Comment_122641316

“I don't oppose it at all really, but we can't actually handle what we do have and I think it's time to stop it.”

What a remarkable statement.

lmao10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122641316#Comment_122641316

lol, obviously most of the scum there are like that. You'd have to be a moron not to see that. The program did a great job at exposing them to the general public. The great thing about them and their supporters is the sheer delusion as to how they look and come across, as you've shown in this post.

creeper1

It's a crazy idea trying to put that number of migrants into an area such as coolock.

The government didn't take on board the community's concerns.

They need to back down and look at reducing numbers and ramping up deportations.

There should not be any worries about losing face or setting a precedent.

Safety will not maintained.

The guards are already under pressure.

This is what happens when migrants are placed in rough areas.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/1711249.stm

star61

…………..

rgossip30

Belwildering how posters here defend chancers who come by irregular means and get status simply by staying . They dont have to work get housing support can remain on welfare if they want .

downthemiddle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122641651#Comment_122641651

Belwildering how posters here defend chancers who use irregular means and get status simply by spreading disinformation. They dont have to work get housing support can remain on welfare if they want

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122640388#Comment_122640388

My logic is all creeds and colours are responsible for their own behaviour and no one group should be afforded anymore leniency than the other. Neither in public opinion or the legal system.

Unfortunately your logic, strazda and a few others on this threads allows scandals like Rochdale or the Catholic Church to happen.

H_Lime

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122640734#Comment_122640734

Because they've actually less then zero intention to highlight the truth in relation to how bad Irelands government is mishandling our immigration crisis.

It is in fact a fiscal imperative for them to not do so as the government has hold of them by the pubes. Fistfulls of curly donnybrook golden ones.

That's why.

downthemiddle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122641825#Comment_122641825

There we have it. Calling people who disagree with you paedophile enablers. You are a class act.

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122642023#Comment_122642023

Might need to get that abacus out again.

Gen.Zhukov

Well well - Finally we have an article explaining the Jordanian conundrum - To my shock, there actually isn't a war raging across the land with people desperately fleeing for their lives with just the shirts on their backs - (670 Jordanian nationals applied for asylum in Ire in Aug and 291 so far in Sept this year)

No it's very simple in fact. It seems the UK lifted it's visa requirements for Jordanians to travel there for multiple short-term stays thus making it very attractive to visit the UK for a wee holiday and a bit of sightseeing - This would have resulted with lashings of single men/women, couples, small families, large families (you name it) flying over for a look

So having done the London Eye, The Tower, Madame Tussauds they then say 'Ah sure **** it, let's use the CTA and pop over to Ireland for a bit of asylum'

Why Ireland? - Well, could it be that we're seen a bunch of soft fools with a Govt frozen in panic and incapable of protecting its borders? - Could it be the fact that we have a Minister for Justice (seemingly) with the IQ of a medium sized vegetable that loves throwing citizenship parties? - who knows

That UK loophole is to be closed but there could will be a rush before that happens.

As usual, it takes a UK paper to shed some light on it for us -

https://www.thetimes.com/world/ireland-world/article/jordanians-seeking-asylum-will-fall-after-uk-closes-visa-loophole-vnbj3zcqg

"The Sunday Times previously revealed that the UK’s electronic travel authorisation (ETA) scheme, which entitled holders to multiple short-term stays in Britain over a two-year period at a cost of £10, drove the increase. Decisions are issued, in the majority of cases, within hours. Large numbers of Jordanian holders of ETAs have used the Common Travel Area to travel from Britain to Ireland to seek asylum".

NOTE: If you're a hardcore Govt - FG supporter and you've been affected by any of the above > RTE helplines

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122640286#Comment_122640286

I'm not talking about the commission of crime or those who engage in anti-social behaviour. Any non national or migrant who engages in crimes, or violence or anti-social behaviour is a criminal and should face the full rigours of the law (and yes, should be deported if they have no legal right to be in the country).

I'm speaking more of European governments who allow ghettos to develop in their cities over a long period of time, migrants in these ghettos to fall into poverty and then to fail to assimilate into wider society. Discrimination against ethnic minorities can be a very real thing, not just a figment of one's imagination. The Swedish PM in 2022 effectively admitted that the state had made a total mess of their own immigration and integration policies in the previous 20 years and were at least partly responsible for the emergence of urban ghettos. The ghettos and rise of criminal gangs were not inevitable.

Would anyone say Catholics in Northern Ireland in the 1960s and 1970s were responsible for their own poverty and lack of opportunities i.e. they were the problem and not the state?

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122642216#Comment_122642216

Comparing it to the North or Apartheid SA or anything similar is emotive nonsense imo.

Of course the state has a say in how it's citizens are treated. Poor people in every country get a less fair crack of the whip.

I'm sure things could always be improved on. That's a different conversation.

Giving any semblance of a pass to the gang warfare in Sweden is delusional and ludicrous and it's following the same path we are seeing here.

Where immigrants are starting to be treated differently to natives. Whether in narrative or actual legislation.

It's a slippery slope that will increase the devisions that already exist, culturally and ethnically.

prunudo

i can't see the problem of blank pages on the thread fixing itself just by posting more. The full page count is still growing, even as the posts increase.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122642397#Comment_122642397

It won't because the page count and post count are out of sync. Vanilla still thinks there's 614 pages of posts despite the mods having deleted dozens over the thread's lifespan so any new posts will be added to that overall count but appear on the most recent page of actual posts.

Nothing to be done about it until Vanilla support fix it (whenever that'll be!). Just need to adapt to the situation in the meantime.

ShamNNspace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122638868#Comment_122638868

Was it too long for you?? It's hardly a rant, rather a poster expressing his pov in a calm and reasoned manner take it or leave it

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122638868#Comment_122638868

Oh I agree. It's certainly very depressing if you're a native Irish citizen and taxpayer to see your needs and those of your family and community deprioritised in favour of randomers chancing their arm, and seemingly endless resources being allocated to do so virtually overnight - while at the same time being told that there's no money to address x/y/z or that it can't be done quickly.

It's even more depressing when you look at this has turned out in places like the UK, France and Germany, and yet our "leaders" seem oblivious or willfully ignorant to this, insisting it'll "be grand" and telling you to shut up (you big racist!), pay up, and get to the back of the line in your own country.

But then you start to think of what this will all lead to in a decade or so and it becomes even worse again. A country even further divided and polarised, with separate communities and isolationism becoming the norm as it has elsewhere where this "experiment"/shitshow has been tried, and even further marginalisation of the natives than is already happening.

By all means though, even though this has all happened before/already in those other countries, please tell me how it'll be different in Ireland this time?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122642326#Comment_122642326

Is Northern Ireland in the 1960s and 1970s that implausible a comparison? Catholics were effectively a religious or ethnic minority within the state and were accused of refusing to integrate or accept the values, culture and legitimacy of the Protestant / British majority.

Who was to blame for the situation - the religious / ethnic minority themselves or the state that was discriminating against them?

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122644750#Comment_122644750

Yes it's a rediculous comparison. Catholics in the north were a native minority under imperial rule.

How is that comparable to Sweden housing and sheltering refugees who arrived on their shores?

It's nonsensical as a starting point for discussion imo.

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122641287#Comment_122641287

Why do you use ‘whites’ instead of white people while using people to describe anyone who isn’t white? That’s pretty telling

NIMAN

I have heard recently that some Ukrainian families are returning home since their benefits have been cut.

And it's not a rumour, I have the facts but would rather not post anything specific.

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122645062#Comment_122645062

Of course, Ireland was land of the milk and honey for these people

I'm completely in favor of helping legitimate asylum seekers like the Ukrainians but the benefits they were on was absolute madness.

This government just loves to piss away our tax payers money