Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122652325#Comment_122652325

All this has been going on in London for decades now.

Bringing in people from places like Somalia, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, etc. These are the least productive countries of the world in terms of GDP but yet are being provided with some of the most expensive housing in the world.

We've people here doing the same and they're clapping themselves on the back at how clever they are. It's insane.

Spanish Eyes

With a weary shake of my head, I'm now thinking that the World's powers who want this "globalisation" might consider paying all of US a very handsome sum to relocate to sunnier climes in Africa. Make millionaires out of us with a palm tree lifestyle in the oasis. Then transport all those who want to leave Africa to Europe. Replacement theory or something….

I think we'd integrate fine with whoever is left in Africa, and the transferred population will love our rain.

99nsr125

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122652540#Comment_122652540

Your post exactly typifies the disingenuousness of the opposing side of the debate

You try to allay illegal and lawful migration

You discount concerns about the standard of living those coming here will face

Then you attack by rubbishing Irish culture by saying because we are small it doesn't matter when the very fact that we are small is the exact reason to protect our culture and identity

Your lack of respect firstly for Irish society and secondly for those who come or endeavour to come here is shameful and disgusting

Backstreet Moyes

Their are only two groups of people who I see who want this madness.

People who are making money, property owners, traffickers, businesses exploiting workers, people paid to promote it such as ngos etc.

The other gullible group who parrot the line that we need doctors and nurses and people to do jobs the Irish people won't do.

The former seem oblivious to the fact that they are taking resources from developing countries and making growth for them more difficult.

One group wants to exploit workers for profit and the other wants to exploit developing countries for healthcare staff.

Both looking to make developing countries life's more difficult, how virtuous one must be to want to do such a thing.

99nsr125

Yes, those persistently defending high immigration levels from poor countries are engaged in 21st colonialism

They are stripping people, resources and the investment to create such from the poorest nations and societies on the planet. Wealthy societies exploiting poor societies yet again countries of black and brown people

We will look back on it the same as we do on slavery

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122653032#Comment_122653032

How is it rubbishing Irish culture to say we're a small country currently dependent on global economic realities?

I'd consider that a pretty obvious truth?

Not that the truth gets much respect around here, when so many are busy peddling lies about welfare tourism and 'safe' countries.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122653084#Comment_122653084

Why not address the entire post? Just the low hanging fruit and ignore the hard questions.

and as usual, you do not like it so it must be lies.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122653100#Comment_122653100

What was the hard question?

The rest I couldn't really make sense of tbh. I haven't discounted concerns about the standard of living people coming here would face? And I'm not sure what the poster means by 'illegal and lawful' migration?

Francie Barrett

@Beasty since the indexing on this thread is still borked, is there anything to be said for closing this thread and just starting a new one?

Gamergurll

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122653497#Comment_122653497

I would assume the same would happen to a new thread once posts are deleted? Vanilla is a joke

Gen.Zhukov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122652446#Comment_122652446

Couple that with Africa's uncontrolled and frankly reckless population growth - Absolute insanity!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122652843#Comment_122652843

They proably are traffickers. Ya can post from anywhere.

99nsr125

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122653139#Comment_122653139

How much money are you making from this

Perhaps you should go back and re-read or shall we take the above as an admission you lack the intellect to understand the consequences of the side you take

It is abundantly clear from your previous posts you do not care what employment or standard of living those who come here end up in, you persistently defend the low paid tenuous occupations asylum seekers end up in.

Again if you do not understand the difference between illegal and lawful migration perhaps you should just stop commenting altogether

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downthemiddle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122653794#Comment_122653794

One of the most obvious things about the anti immigrant brigade is how abusive they are to others. This manifests itself in violence in person while online they look to belittle and degrade others.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122654030#Comment_122654030

One of the most obvious things about the pro immigrant brigade is how quick they turn on people with different views. Simon Harris was a great lad, and with in the space of one interview you would be forgiven for thinking he is the devil spawned. Unable to think for himself and has been infiltrated by the far right.

downthemiddle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122654063#Comment_122654063

I'm sure, in your own mind, you think this is some form of "gotcha". Some of us don't need to be told what our thoughts are, by Simon Harris or Philly Dwyer.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122654074#Comment_122654074

No far from it, its been evident for a long time that the loudest of the pro immigration crowd just love to label and hate on anyone with an opposing view. Even if those views are just what most people would call common sense, problem is the same raving loons have infected the media and political classes over the last number of years so any debate has been extremely one sided.

downthemiddle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122654129#Comment_122654129

And yet "most people" continue to support mainstream political parties. It's a mystery.

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122653068#Comment_122653068

I completely agree. I will never understand how left wing people defend this and call anyone who disagrees far right. We even had someone on this thread say that a positive thing about mass immigration is that landlords benefit. They actually want landlords to keep getting richer which makes no sense to me

corkie

Is the below true?

Source 'Threads'! Can't find any confirming posts/articles on it? Photo's could be from them been put up?

Edit:- Irish times confirming it: -

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/dublin/2024/09/25/controversial-fencing-being-removed-along-dublins-grand-canal/

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122654063#Comment_122654063

It was the same with Sinn Féin.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/people-before-profit-members-want-party-to-end-support-for-a-sinn-fein-led-government-over-racist-immigration-stance/a1250639681.html

“Sinn Féin is now a party with racist polices, designed to limit immigration,” the motion says. “Sinn Féin can no longer be regarded as a party of the left. Continuing to present Sinn Féin as a left-wing party will seriously damage our credibility with the electorate.”

😂

Gen.Zhukov

Helen had a busy week (week ending 22nd Sept)

Between standing on a bridge over the M1 (waving at cars and taxis') with a hand written sign 'All Jordaneeze welcom', and personally welcoming Jordanians at T1/T2 and the ferry ports, she was rushed off her feet.

That UK ETA change (allowing people travel to the UK without a visa for a £10 fee) I mentioned a few days ago, kicked in in Feb this year. Jordan didn't figure in our IPAS stats at all before, but by the week ending 17th Mar, there were 142 claiming asylum here - It really didn't take long for the loophole to be identified and abused by another cohort of complete chancers.

We now have a total of 1887 claiming asylum here with a mere 156 arriving week ending 22nd Sept

The loophole (Jordan - visa free travel to UK) was closed 10th Sept but if you had applied pre that date, you can still travel to the UK and then on to Ireland via the CTA

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122653794#Comment_122653794

How stupid of me not to see that some people really would like to tank the Irish economy for some fantasy notions about protecting 'Irish culture'

Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't this same 'Irish culture' evolved in a country with thousands of years of inward and outward migration?

Besides you might also find that a lot of Irish people have a very different view of 'Irish culture' than the anti immigration brigade. What part of 'Irish culture' makes it ok to harass and degrade the homeless? Bully women and children? Spread dictators lies and propaganda? Or talk about low income workers as a drain on society?

Lotus Flower

Correction, no one said that low income workers are a drain on society. Someone made the point that low income AS are a net drain on the state because they will never pay high enough taxes to pay back what has been spent on them. Huge difference between that and all low income workers being a drain on society

whatever.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122654030#Comment_122654030

The poster has simply remained focused when @MegamanBoo has tried to misconstrue and deflect

When you put a question to someone there are only two reasons someone doesn't answer

1. They do not know the answer
2. They do not want to answer

The response when cornered in situation 2 is almost always to impinge the integrity of the proposer of the question. This pattern plays out in all human interaction including courtrooms. If you want a real life example watch a politician evade a difficult question and then try to undermine the subject matter

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122654852#Comment_122654852

Did I miss something?

I thought Muhammad and Fatima were 'a drain' if they were in a low paid job, receiving hap payments, income support, needing a house and health services etc, etc.

But for some reason this doesn't apply to Paddy and Mary?

You'll have to explain the logic behind that to me.

99nsr125

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122656428#Comment_122656428

You did not you are just being disingenuous even deceitful once again.

I spent significant time reading the posts, it is explicitly mentioned low paid work shows a failure within the education and skills sector and putting more (asylum seekers) and more and more people in the same situation shows a complete disregard for them and wider society.

The UK only a matter of days ago published a report statistically showing same

creeper1

There's a hotel in cork discussed here to receive 104 migrants allegedly female only. I could not find any news links to this so it must be breaking news. It's called the Rizz hotel in the centre of the city.

Applicants get 3 meals a day, their own bed and bathroom facilities and of course medical card. The racket continues apace.

https://youtu.be/U-qzbty4rqc?si=PxDhO2P1EboVsQ9d

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122658474#Comment_122658474

Any lad with a bit of money in the bank and an empty property is busy renovating it for said purpose. What could possibly go wrong into the future. Especially if the money dries in the country🙄

The sellout of society continues. These dudes would pimp out their granny to get ahead.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122654204#Comment_122654204

Ive not seen any barriers taken down, on the plus side the 3rd word enclave beside Haddington Road is gone ;-) , winter has finally arrived