Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

captain dildano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119709660#Comment_119709660

The case of that poor young child stabbed 70 times in Clare was horrifying. One of the newspaper articles said that they didn't know if the child's father was in Ireland or not. That really brought home to me that there are so many people here now without documentation that we simply don't have a clue about. I think it's a bizarre state of affairs that a person can get off a flight or a ferry having destroyed their documentation and given asylum here. I don't understand why they can't be identified from the flight passenger list. To board the flight they need to have provided identification.

There was an argument online the other night between Ukrainians and Eastern Europeans with a Ukrainian woman who has sent her 16 year old daughter to Ireland as a lone minor because she knew that the State would provide her with TUSLA accommodation and she's been offered a place at UCC. Now this mother was complaining that TUSLA wasn't letting this young girl head off unsupervised to a university with no guardian no money etc etc. The mother felt that the child should be given free student accomodation and that TUSLA should mind their own business. She was adamant that her child was entitled to this that and the other.

Others, Ukrainians that are already here included, were pointing out to her that it's not how it works here and she was absolutely irate. 2 things shocked me, 1 that UCC discriminated against students here who'd spent 5 or 6 years working towards a uni place in favour of a child whose grades may or may not be genuine and frankly who hasn't got what would be considered by Irish standards to be a high enough number of points to get a place and secondly that they thought it was OK to give the place to a 16 year old unaccompanied minor living in a different part of Ireland. Leaving aside that this lady had it worked out that her kid could come here and get a free 3rd level education that Social Services were obliged to look after her and the State would have to pay for her keep it tells me that we've a big problem coming our way.

joseywhales

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119709660#Comment_119709660

Can you explain that one? Are there not people in the world whose lives are threatened due to their ethnicity, religion or nationality?

Geuze

I am stating that all, or the vast majority, of the 7,760 AS this year are bogus.

By bogus, I mean they are not actually fleeing persecution.

In reality, they are economic migrants (and in some ways, you can't blame them).

The 1,517 from Georgia are all bogus.

The only ones who might have somewhat of a claim are the Somali cases.

The Nigerians are well known bogus, there are many here already who have been rejected, but who have been given leave to remain.

Beasty

Geuze threadbanned

maninasia

You don't gain any supporters for your cause by claiming all asylum seekers are bogus.

F34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119710384#Comment_119710384

They should be treated as bogus until it’s proven they are not.

Should it be genuine give them leave to remain with strict conditions attached about obeying Irish laws should they receive a criminal record deportation back to country of origin.

Should it be found to be bogus deportation immediately to country of origin should they wish to appeal it should be from there.

whisky_galore

We should have been able to look after our own, but we couldn't even manage that before this deluge. Pathetic.

I dont mind genuine cases making an honest living and paying taxes but anyone taking the piss should be flung back to wherever they crawled out of.

Real Donald Trump

Tourism industry truly fecked next summer so I guess? This will surely have a detrimental effect on small towns and villages throughout the country. Hotel owners may be happy but local business's certainly won't.

creeper1

The neck on people who destroy their travel documents on arrival to Dublin airport.

What's your name?

I have the right to remain silent.

Where are you from?

I have the right to remain silent.

What flight did you arrive on?

I have the right to remain silent.

It's disrespectful to people in authority and I would never dream of acting like this in a foreign airport myself.

Clearly they are people well coached on how the system works and how to abuse it at Irish taxpayers expense. It's an absolute disgrace really.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119711463#Comment_119711463

I thought the right to remain silent was only in relation to the Garda and in courts. Boarder guards and the airport lads you have to answer. or back on the plane you came from they can tell what gate you arrived in.

Luxembourgo

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30961488.html

Varadkar has admitted it's an issue. We are just totally toothless. It's pathetic

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119711524#Comment_119711524

That was from 2019.

If only we had 400 Georgians like that year.

So far this year it’s 2500 georgians.

This whole episode in 2022 is destroying most aspects of our society in one go.

Backstreet Moyes

The problem in Ireland is most of the people making decisions are not working class people.

They are in most cases privileged people who have barely worked a day in their life who have no idea the struggle most people are facing to find a house or feed and heat themselves.

They are overseeing sectors of the country where they have no experience in.

Why are we not getting in experts in their fields with experience to oversee departments?

An honest question because I googled but I can't find anything in the work history of our minister for justice that makes her qualified for her role.

What exactly qualifications has she got for the job or are we allowing someone who has no qualifications or experience to be in a role of such importance.

This person is making decisions that is ruining the country.

Why have we not got an expert for such an important role in the country?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119712360#Comment_119712360

Helen's very first job as Minister for Justice was to select keen golfer Seamus "Jimmy" Woulfe for appointment to the Supreme Court. I understand that before choosing him she consulted a fortune seller and prayed to Saint Jude - but she definitely didn't ask Leo Varadkar whom she should nominate!

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119712360#Comment_119712360

Because jobs for the boys or the girls as usual . You don't need experience or qualifications to be a member of our government. As long as you can answer a question but not really answer question when being interviewed and take orders from Brussels no matter how bad it affects your country and have no consience about claiming expenses and ludicrous salaries you will be more than suitable for the job.

Patrick2010

Pat Kenny making very valid points about the numbers arriving with no valid papers without which they couldn’t have got on the plane. He couldn’t get an answer from his very PC panel who were afraid to state the obvious that passports were being destroyed on board. Ivana Backis last comment was that Irish people were given support in different countries.

donaghs

Pat Kenny just asked the question again (last segment of his newstalk show today), why so many people are getting on planes in places like London with full documentation, and the arriving in Dublin with no documentation and claiming asylum. No one would answer the question. Ivana Bacik seemed offended by the question itself, e.g. unfair to hardships refugees are suffering, and its undermining Irelands international legal obligations. etc

Its an interesting question.

Anyone who actually cared about "refugees" would know that economic migrants are taking up spaces and resources that could be used for refugees.

I admire economic migrants for making such an effort to improve their situation, however, they have no entitlement stay in a country based on false asylum claims.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119712432#Comment_119712432

I saw a good post on Twitter yesterday, where someone said that Ireland is still the land of fairy tales, but not mythical ones anymore, more so fairy tales about the organisation of our society. A society that's completly governed by false hoods, which leads to the false hope that many live with, that it will all ok in the end when it won't.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119712432#Comment_119712432

How terribly ungallant of Pat to ask Iwanna a hard question! Party Leaderettes don't go onto the PK show for that kind of thing. He should have left her rabbiting on about banning evictions and energy costs, and how utterly awful the current gubbernment is and how Labour, under her inspirational leadership, are going to win 8 whole seats in the next General election!

Who else was on the panel, please?

maninasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119712531#Comment_119712531

They could even be terrorists. It's an unforgivable security lapse. When ISIS were running around they would have exploited this.

Even though Pat Kenny asked some good questions I wouldn't even count it as grilling. The central-left politicians in Ireland are very soft, they are not used to be being challenged directly with the hard questions at all. They are only used to arguing the other way, and talking about how generous they are, how open they are.

Backstreet Moyes

I don't know how it's done in other countries but surely these people should have a certain amount of work experience.

How can people go from college to these positions with little to no work experience.

You only learn by going into a job in the real world.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119712531#Comment_119712531

People would be protesting on the streets if they knew this.

The problem is most people have no idea that it is happening.

They will only realise when it's too late and the country is ruined.

malinheader

So really, and give me a warning or a ban if I'm wrong for stating an untruth but realistically people arriving into this country could be rapists, pedophiles, murderers or even terrorists.

If you have no paperwork or identification who knows or how can anyone tell.

About time alot of people woke up. Some People have been highlighting this for a long time on here and some even received bans for suggesting such.

I stand to be corrected if I'm wrong.

captain dildano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119712777#Comment_119712777

Yep. There was the case earlier this year of an African lad who had been released from prison after serving sentences for rape. He'd destroyed his documents before he came here so couldn't be deported. He was spotted wandering around Dublin a few months later. A serial rapist with no ID and no history was allowed to roam around despite a deportation order as nobody checked if he was still here or not. I think it was the Journal who ran the story. Not sure if he's been deported yet. Believe it or not when a deportation order is served the person is supposed to deport themselves, nobody checks if they have.

Not this lad? I believe one of the arguments for not deporting him was that he was playing soccer for Waterford United, unless I'm mixing him up with another case..

https://www.thejournal.ie/court-asylum-seeker-rape-2633638-Feb2016/

captain dildano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119713251#Comment_119713251

No, a different guy. They didn't know that lad had left the country either though. A person's race and skin colour should have no bearing on their prison sentence. The guy raped someone, how hard or easy his time serving would be shouldn't matter a damn. An Irish man wouldn't get a soft sentence for a rape in Africa.

captain dildano

This Eritrean rapist had is visa renewed as his country isn't safe for him.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/violent-rapist-has-visa-renewed-as-he-cannot-be-deported-30336581.html

He's not the only one, a quick google of asylum seeking rapists in Ireland throws up a lot. The worst I've seen was the guy employed in a nursing home who raped a dementia patient. He was here illegally. Probably still is. Obviously most asylum seekers are not criminals, but it's worrying how many are rapists.

malinheader

Colour of skin shouldn't come into this argument. A rapist is a rapist, a pedophile is a pedophile and so on. Jesus christ almighty do we have to produce the victims before this stupid excuse of a government cops itself on.

captain dildano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119713388#Comment_119713388

There are plenty to produce, it didn't stop them announcing another amnesty that would include asylum seekers with criminal convictions here.

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119712609#Comment_119712609

You can see how some people eventually turn to more extreme politics, when the mainstream politicians refuse to answer basic questions like that. Straight-forward basically pretend that plain-old Pat Kenny hadn't even asked them that harmless specific question.

This isn't new: Hillary Clinton: Europe must curb immigration to stop rightwing populists | Hillary Clinton | The Guardian

i dont support Hillary’s arguement reducing immigration - as it’s such a broad statement. My point is that economic migrants with no identification posing as “refugees” should not be given refugee status.

conorhal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119712360#Comment_119712360

Everything IS overseen by 'experts' with experience. That's how we got here, the government has wholesale abdicated all responsibility for every single damn thing to the 'expert' QUANGO's NGO's and consultants to tell them what to think (usually while waiting for Europe to confirm what they think).

What we actually need is a politician that considers what's best for the the Irish people first and foremost, rather then relying on a bunch of 'experts' who's whole expertise seems to involve ensuring that the problems they are employed to consult on are never fixed and the expert consultant gravy train keeps on rolling for them.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119713773#Comment_119713773

Shure isn't that what our illustrious President Mick Diddle-dee-dee Higginz is doing? And he's so good at it that we elected him twice!

captain dildano

Anyway folks, we've gotten away from the thread title. It's an important subject and I think it's become very obvious that we simply can't provide suitable accommodation for anymore refugees or asylum seekers. We are simply full. We could fill every hotel, every B&B and every village hall and there will still be those saying that we could and should do more. We've done all that it's practical to do and it's time for everyone's sake to be honest about that and stop encouraging people to come here.

Many many people from Ukraine have been in safe countries and they've heard that financially things are much better in Ireland than anywhere else in the world. Understandably they want to come to a country that has a no questions asked policy that gives them full entitlement to everything as soon as the arrive. It's human nature but it's time stop it now, for everyone's sake.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119711463#Comment_119711463

If they have no paperwork, how can they prove they’re Ukrainian? Asylum seekers are treated much differently.

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119714405#Comment_119714405

what are you on about? There no mention of Ukraine or Ukrainians in the post. It’s about destroying documents to hide your true identity. Which would not be necessary for a Ukrainian to stay in Ireland, given the war in Ukraine.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119714437#Comment_119714437

Got you. I misunderstood.

Real Donald Trump

Wonder how this will end, will the government eventually wake up? or will they pack every hotel in the country until they're full?

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119714920#Comment_119714920

I don't think we need to ask that question. Or at least its a rhetorical question ?

donaghs

We need something similar like Denmark, where mainstream politicians can calmly admit the asylum system is being abused and take some practical measures to fix it.

https://www.economist.com/europe/2021/12/18/why-have-danes-turned-against-immigration

Its not stopping immigration, just regulation which most people want.

If mainstream politicians refuse to engage with the issues, or as with Pat Kenny’s question about destruction of documents this morning, literally pretend that they didn’t hear the question, it’s could eventually open the door to something like a Trump figure, or even worse.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119715248#Comment_119715248

Not a hope; the quango bunnies and the human rights maggots would have a canary! (And bear in mind that the current government includes Green Party TDs from both organisations.)

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119715248#Comment_119715248

Look at the world now and think back when Trump was at the helm, which is worse? The Trump hatred on here is beyond ridiculous.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119715299#Comment_119715299

I admit I was as critical about Trump as anyone.

But seeing how useless and uninterested our politicians are about the total recklessness on immigration and the consequences its going to have.

I see someone like Trump in this country is the only way that any proper action will be taken. Were a rudderless ship at the moment and heading for the rocks.

Montage of Feck

There are care homes closing every other week and the sector itself is a shambles. Yet some self entitled joker off the plane is given airtime on the rte news last night complaining about their accomodation.

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119713388#Comment_119713388

We protected our own native Irish rapists for years because they wore a priests collar, came from "good families" or were otherwise pillars of the community. It was forbidden to speak out. It's just the same protectionism under a different guise to suit the current times.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119716310#Comment_119716310

I think you said it yourself that they were native rapists. But Why now run a massive risk of bringing more and god knows alot of other serious sick criminals into the country.

creeper1

Deportations have got to go up in line with spurious claims going up.

Boils my blood knowing migrants are deliberately destroying their passport because they know fine well it's a safe country they are from and their claim would fail.

So far Ireland has been an incredible soft touch regarding deportations. In recent years a mere 10% of deportation orders were actually enforced. The justice minister needs to get on this and improve this woeful statistic.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119716287#Comment_119716287

And that, more than anything else, is why I resent paying my licence fee. By all means let RTE serve up skiploads of utter sh1te, but at least they should try to keep their news and current affairs offerings professional, relevant, objective and, above all, balanced. Instead we get a news agenda that appears to be run largely by shrill opposition politicians, bleeding heart quangos and whatever sectional interest group is howling the loudest at any given time.

Patrick2010

Catherine Day, senior advisor to Roderic O Gorman is featured in today’s Indo giving out about the delay in ending direct provision. She says …”there isn’t a willingness to tackle it and the Ukrainians are now becoming an excuse, I think the sticking point is the fear among politicians that it would be seen to be taking houses away from Irish people, they have come out the other side of that and they have to say this is our future population and we have to build houses for everyone “

She goes on the interview to say that Ireland needs to start sowing the seeds earlier when looking for EU jobs

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119717013#Comment_119717013

She's a moron. An idiotic moron who has no idea what its like to be accountable for decisions. Typical of alot of these making decisions.

This will and already has taken houses from Irish citizens, which in a housing crisis is an issue.

Now maybe I'm being unfair, but she's either a moron, lazy, or willingly closing her eyes to the multiple issues with her plan.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119717013#Comment_119717013

If she's working for Todger O'Gorman - and being paid for her efforts by the Irish taxpayer - then I really hope that her massive EU pension is being abated.