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Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,363 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    I happen to live in O’Gorman’s constituency. Unpopular doesn’t even begin to describe it.

    At the time of the last GE, I raised the issue of migration with all the public representatives who called to my door. Dublin 15 was the canary in the mineshaft for what the rest of the country is now experiencing. If you want to see the blood drain from a politician’s face, just raise the ‘M’ issue.

    It would be amusing, if it wasn’t so utterly depressing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭Patches oHoulihan


    I was there again yesterday. The place has mainly men of not Ukrainian roots. 100s of people a day arriving from the airport - our border is essentially open to Albanian, Somalian,African, Georgian, Arabic men , its quite scary that we have streams of 100s of people a day arriving from Dublin airport etc - where are they all going to go? They are not going contribute to a rich multicultural society thats for sure



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,172 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭donaghs




  • Registered Users Posts: 604 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Is arrival through northern Ireland a thing? You don't need a passport to sail from Stranraer to Belfast. I'd imagine all these Albanians arriving at Dover will have a significant percentage wanting the free stuff offered by Ireland. Could they just present at a Garda and ask for asylum and avail of said free stuff or is flying to Dublin airport a better option?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭Honesty Policy


    Yes it is a thing. A friend was dating a guy from Morrocco and that's how he arrived in Ireland, through the North. He worked as a labourer here but I suppose had no entitlements as regards social welfare or anything like that. As soon as he mentioned he wanted an EU wife, my friend ran for the hills 😬



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭riddles


    How is it possible to enter a country through an airport with no passport surely you are popped on the next return flight?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not once you get to passport control and request asylum - but before that it's legally possible to prevent the invasion. The solution is obvious, but applying it would require some intelligence and determination and they're two characteristics that we have yet to see Helen McEntee display.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,611 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Indeed. No more, no less. They haven't contributed anything previously and are not EU citizens so that is still very generous.


    And compared to the anonymous horde in direct provision, extremely generous.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Who could ever have predicted that announcing own door accommodation within 4 months of arrival and an amnesty for people here illegally could have made more people decide to chance their arm? They're taking the proverbial if they can't acknowledge that Government policy in the last few years is responsible for this. I mean anyone no matter how spurilous their claim has been granted leave to remain if they get a petition with a few signatures or go on hunger strike for a few days.

    The sensible thing would be to announce that leave to remain is being suspended while this crisis is ongoing, that only those granted international protection will be allowed to stay and actually deport some people who have no right to be here. I don't imagine they will do any of that



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Wtf is this crap

    Asylum seekers get 38 euro a week not 208

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,188 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Seeing as you are here maybe you can tell us what your opinion is on stopping people with no passports before they make their way off the plane.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Some never let facts get in the way of a good rant.



  • Registered Users Posts: 395 ✭✭Skyfloater


    Just dipping into this thread, what is this solution that you speak of?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    use existing rules have guards outside the boarding departure area and ask for documentation. Those that have none fine the airline, Said airline has to by law return the offender to the host country they came from. Airlines will be pretty fast on making sure people have their documentation on them before they leave the aircraft.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]



    As in post #136. But I'd take it a bit further by putting a pair of immigration officers on most (or every) inward scheduled flight to every Irish airport. They would check the passport of every passenger boarding the flight and photograph each passenger's face with their passport open. Any subsequent "loss" of documentation could then be rapidly sorted out while passengers were still airside. This would be expensive, but would still be only a small fraction of the cost of providing unlimited free board and keep and pocket money and access to the courts for illegal immigrants pretending to be asylum seekers. If the Danes can deal with these chancers, then so can we!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,859 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Seems our friends in direct provision were getting free accommodation and food even after gaining employment. It's not so long ago people on here were crying they weren't allowed to work. Probably getting the 38 euros on top of there accommodation and food too.

    Paradise Island they have landed in



  • Registered Users Posts: 684 ✭✭✭Oscar Madison


    Move to Ireland from anywhere in the EU or Africa | @Linda Michaels TV - YouTube


    I just came across this on YT.

    Surely we have enough here?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,859 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Looking at our accommodation availability for families and students our health care services both unavailability of beds, specialists and Gps. Schools transport and places availability.

    Surely it should read we have to many.

    And to many who cannot provide the services we need.



  • Registered Users Posts: 159 ✭✭Uncharted2


    Under new government legislation property owners will be fined if they let properties to tourists.

    The government legislation is aimed at freeing up more properties for long-term renting, to help ease the housing crisis. Is the tourist industry in Ireland being destroyed? Would it be possible if they stopped the unlimited amount of 'refugees' coming into the country would help ease the housing crisis? What are your thoughts on this?


    Article below from the Irish Examiner

    Kerry county council goes door to door to tackle tourist lets

    'There is unfortunately an enthusiasm to make pariahs out of people short-term letting'

    <snip> - copyrighted

    Post edited by Beasty on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,693 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Erm, that’s a bit nutsville. ‘Going door to door’.. ie. Intimidatory tactics. That what this ‘democracy’ has come to now.

    as I said weeks back… democracy is slowly being eroded.

    here, is the article…I had to search it out as I presumed this might have been a wind up, it’s not.


    As I’ve said….How long will it be before governments, councils etc start wanting to change legislation to kick people out of their homes if they deem they need the bedrooms.. ie. guy in an inherited 3 bedroom house with just his girlfriend… ? Might just ‘start’ at lettings but we can see the direction this is going.

    anybody now think the Brits were mad to leave the EU ? I don’t.

    no problems destroying livelihoods, businesses, whole industries and the way things are going.. the country.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    This is enforcing planning permission. That has nothing to do with eroding democracy and the rest of your post is even more irrelevant and incoherent to the topic.

    Short term holiday rentals need specific planning, and rightly so. They have very different infrastructural and service needs. Deciding that a website to make taking bookings easier allows you to do a change of use without permission is insanity, yet thousands or tens of thousands of property owners have



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,693 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    You don’t get to decide what’s irrelevant sorry ;) . Incoherent ? Hmmmm fine, so incoherent you decided to reply to it with six lines of……the above…



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    You somehow managed to leap from enforcement of planning rules to made up scenarios about occupancy of private dwellings and support for Brexit.

    That's completely irrelevant and utterly incoherent

    The UK, as it happens, restricts the number of rooms you may have in a social or socially supported rental. But that has nothing to do with planning permission enforcement!



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,693 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    :). I beg to differ, but you are free to think otherwise, the posts in this topic are there for anyone else to make up their own mind or engage on the subject…

    your last line is completely inaccurate and provides proof you are unwilling to discuss this topic in good faith.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,587 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    I dont see the problem with this, it is merely implementing government policy to regulate short term lets while there is a housing and homelessness crisis going on. A few weeks ago there wasnt a single property for rent on Daft in all of County Offlay, not one. But there was 300+ Airbnb listings for the same county which shows you the crux of the problem here, locals go homeless so tourists can stay in some house on a Friday and Saturday night, it is insanity and Ireland is behind the curve in figuring this out. There are stacks of cities in the US that have banned or strictly regulated short term lets because they were hoovering up family homes for local workers. If that bastion of capitaism has figured this out then its about time Ireland got on board when there is a housing crisis going on.

    We literally have young people now emigrating now becasue they cannot secure housing. All that money spent on educating them gone up in smoke because they cannot find a place to live.

    The Airbnb set have had a fantastic innings for the last decade but the end result of this short term let boom has meant that Irish people cannot find housing. We need houses for locals, not for tourists.



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    Google: "do you need planning for AirBnB"

    First link: https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/owning_a_home/home_owners/renting_your_property_for_shortterm_lets.html


    Please note I picked AirBnB as most popular short term lease, same applies to others



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭paul71


    Enforcing long standing laws made by an elected parliament is anti-democratic?

    Those "Seeking to be outraged" seldom fail to amuse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    Kerry is "almost totally dependent on tourism" down to the people they have voted in to represent them for many many years.

    The area is a rent pressure zone so the same people who are renting out these properties are probably crying about having no house for little Jonnie and Mary.

    You can't have it both ways unfortunatly.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,981 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You should take your dodgy legal advice over to the Freeman thread.



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