Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119765593#Comment_119765593

True but the auditing are truly non existent on behalf of either Airbnb or any government agency.

Packrat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119765874#Comment_119765874

Nope. South Kerry is almost totally dependant on tourism because our land quality is dog ****, we are far away from a big port, city or airport and one of the furthest areas from Dublin.

It is however extremely beautiful which is why tourism works well here.

Almost everywhere in Ireland is a rent pressure zone right now, which here wont be for long if theres less tourists -> less jobs.

Way to further damage another indigenous industry they cant control - we must all be little Intel drones to satisfy this exceedingly corrupt government.

To try to make this into a Healy Rae bashing thread (which is what you're trying to do) is dishonest as it has nothing to do with their representation quality in Kerry, and well you know it.

bad2thebone

Hopefully the conspiracy theorists won't come in to say they're going to take your property via guilt shaming and covert intimidation and make you do as they say.

That would never happen here, anyhow it's should be all about 5 star hotels and wealthy people who can buy carbon credit's off the plebs so they can swan around on jet's compliments of the serf's.

And don't be banging on about tourism, match you better that you sell your holiday and house when the kids grow up and buy a pod for yourself.

Who do Fiacra and Maebh from Glenageary think they are, going down to the kingdom at weekends to get away from the ratrace in the city.

CreadanLady

lets be realistic - the council are not going to have the appetite nor the resources to haul Airbnb owners up before the district court.

The councillors would not have it. They would lambaste the executive over it and discourage them against enforecement on this scale.

Mass enforcement simply isn't going to happen. So anyone wanting to carry on, well I would fancy their chances of getting away with it indefinitely and then plámás their way out of it dragging the process out with appeals.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119765821#Comment_119765821

Put it like this,a lot of the naysayers will always be in suburbia while people like you and I will be rural settings. We'll be away from the machine and they'll pay handsomely to venture down the country.

Those days of leaving Dublin on an afternoon on a Friday and arriving at Inch beach, Fanore or Lahinch by 4, taking the surfboard off the rack, pulling on a damp wetsuit from last weekend,waxing the surf board and paddling out to crystal clean waves are gone. That's past tense unless you're able to afford it.

Before you could do that with modest earnings. What was once affordable is now a luxury.

But the locals will have it to themselves

Timfy

It kind of makes sense to me. I live in a very rural but popular village, totally dependant on the tourist trade. Pretty much every other property here is on AirBnB. Because of this there are no properties to let at any price for locals or people working in the village and the result is that most hotels, pubs and shops are having to close down, some temporarily and some unfortunately permanently as it is impossible to find staff. What's the point in filling Ireland with tourists if we can't service them?

Packrat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119765989#Comment_119765989

Don't worry your pretty little head about those businesses closing, it won't matter anyway when there's nobody only 5* resort type tourists here who have a choice of 3 restaurants on-site and the foreign staff live in staff houses owned by the hotel.

Only people hurt in this are the pesky locals who are probably smelly polluting farmers anyway as well. Double win.

SouthWesterly

Change of use was legislated for in 2018 so nothing new here, only the enforement of a 4 years old law

https://www.kerrycoco.ie/planning/development-management/home-sharing-lettings/

paul71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119765957#Comment_119765957

They don't need to.

Principal private residence exemption, gone = Capital gains tax, matter for the collector general. Taxman ALWAYS collects.

Rates exemption gone, 30 seconds in a district court is what I have seen typically, judgement turned over to the Sherriff, he'll pop your car onto the back of a truck at the drop of the hat and take his own fee out of the proceeds, try and stop him and you are committing a criminal offence.

Income tax assessments or failure to return income tax from revenue. Assessment, interest and penalties.

Enforcement is easy and can be done via many channels, as it should be.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119765577#Comment_119765577

State policies are just as guilty for the housing crisis as short term rentals, even more so as the state has more of a duty to the people than a business does, so why should others be punished for the states own failures?

Red Silurian

At the moment we have a problem in our country where we are housing homeless people and refugees in our hotels and tourists in houses. It's absolute madness and should be stopped immediately

StrawbsM

Wasn’t booking.com and hotel.com’s original business model that they would buy a block of rooms and then be responsible for selling them on?

A travel/holiday company could block book a property for the season for a fixed price and then sell on to tourists. The owner of the property would then have fulfilled their obligation as the letting they have provided is more than 14 consecutive days.

The owner could then act as an agent of the holiday company wrt turnarounds.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119766294#Comment_119766294

That wouldn't work. Planning would still have been breached. It doesn't matter who is breaching it, the head lease being for over 14 days does not make the short lets not exist

If something seems like a simple workaround, it isn't a workaround

redlough

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119765941#Comment_119765941

AirBnB website: https://www.airbnb.ie/help/article/1378/responsible-hosting-in-ireland

The information is all clearly available from the government and from the biggest company involved in these. Of course people choose to ignore and the same thing is happening all over Ireland. Just because someone is in Kerry and renting out a house on short term lease should they be treated different to someone in Dublin doing the same?

redlough

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119765947#Comment_119765947

Why would the quality of land be an issue for a company investing in Kerry?

Cork Airport is close to Kerry with train links etc. From an American or any company's point of view imagine bringing over board members to a meeting in Kerry.

No bashing of the Healy Rae by the way, but complaining about the lack of jobs in Kerry and then ignoring the government TD's voted in doesn't add up.

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119766309#Comment_119766309

You might be right. I’m just thinking out loud.

If hosts move away from using the Airbnb or booking.com platforms, it will be very hard to prove that the letting is less than 15 days. I know, come November, that airbnb will not advertise properties in an RPZ that don’t meet the requirements but there’s already many other ways that those looking for a place and those with a house contact each other.

Furze99

Too many cute hoors down in Kerry, converting & letting places for short term AirBnB without planning. Little sympathy.

EOQRTL

This is a result of governments abandoning social/affordable housing schemes over the last 25 years and leaving everything to the free market. The chickens are coming home to roost. The blame falls squarely at the door of FF and FG.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119766389#Comment_119766389

The burden of proof would be on the landlord, and would require actual fraud to try hide.

Uncharted2

'The government legislation is aimed at freeing up more properties for long-term renting, to help ease the housing crisis.'

The government firstly do not care about the welfare of Irish people. The aim is to get their hands on as many properties as possible in order to house the unlimited amount of 'refugees' the government are bringing into Ireland under EU orders. Hoteliers, county councils etc are all willingly supporting it.

Uncharted2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119766328#Comment_119766328

This last two years have been an eye opener to say the least. The enemy is within.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119766398#Comment_119766398

Far too great an over simplification. Too much growth in AirBnB type ventures and the loss of long term lets to short term.

StrawbsM

Well I’m not in an RPZ so not affected - just yet. But if they do make the entire country an RPZ, I won’t be doing long term lets either as I do not agree with the terms and conditions as they are. My contribution to the exchequer by way of income tax and VAT on purchases made for the house would also be gone.

redlough

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119766328#Comment_119766328

If that image is supposed to be Hitler? if so Hitler never said that

It's from a novel by Pat Miller called "Willfully ignorant"

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119766444#Comment_119766444

I doubt the government will care because they have a vacant homes tax on the way for properties that are empty. Revenue are running that so they'll get their tax regardless if it is rented or not. So you'll end up pay tax while having no rental income.

ghostofchrimbo

The problem is not the lack of extra housing, the problem is the amount of extra people that need housing.

If that weren't immediately obvious for those down the back of the class, what has been the result of ignoring that fact and focusing anywhere and everywhere else?

Shutting down Airbnb won't solve the housing problem. It might certainly kick that can for a few months, but nothing more.

Ban on evictions won't solve it.

Building more homes, intuitively as many as can be built, has not solved the housing crisis.

Putting people in hotels isn't solving the housing crisis.

Turning elderly care centres into refugee centres won't solve it.

The list goes on. Yet the housing crisis deepens. What does that tell you about the focus?

The problem, the real, root problem, is that there are too many extra people in this country. It is demonstrable. It is empirical. And until the day comes that this is recognised, every single one of these bandaid go-nowhere ideas will have zero effect and the housing crisis will continue on its exponential trajectory toward chaos.

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119766524#Comment_119766524

I’ll see what exactly will define a house as being vacant first before panicking

Polar101

Damn.. I'm a tourist currently letting a property in Kerry. Better get out of here soon before the council knocks on the door.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119766574#Comment_119766574

Not occupied for at least 30 days a year. 30 at all, not 30 continuous. Easy enough to hit with a holiday home. I expect that to be increased when they realise no holiday homes are paying it!

Packrat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119766341#Comment_119766341

See, thats the exact lack of actually thinking outside your own little bubble that causes rural ireland to be constantly damaged by urban policies.

Don't worry I'll explain it for you.

There's this activity called food production which is more successful on better quality land. I know it doesn't really effect you but Ireland is quite good at it except where our land is crap. It employs about 200,000 people in this country and many are quite comfortable in terms of income.

That's why it's relevant.

Cork Airport???? Really ????

The one on top of a hill with no transatlantic flights because it's closed half the time because of fog or wind,?

Thanks for a good laugh.

Also - wonder of wonders, the IDA spent decades trying to locate US multinationals in places in rural ireland where they didn't want to be. It didn't work then, - nothing to do with local representation. It won't work now.

So yes Tourism is the main industry here, and No, that's not the local representatives fault or as you'd have it - the people's fault for being thick boggers who elect the wrong people because they don't know what's good for them.

You're welcome.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119766398#Comment_119766398

Yep, and in a perfect world they will lose votes all over Kerry and any other part of the country affected by this law

redlough

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119766600#Comment_119766600

What has the production ratio of farming got to do with companies investing in Kerry? I am struggling to see why you would think a company should be only based in high-yield farming areas? unless of course they are involved in farming.

But then you would have to wonder if Kerry is so terrible then why Kerry Group HQ is in Kerry.

In regards to Cork Airport, it didn't seem to be an issue with the companies who have based themselves in Cork. Apple/Dell/Phizer etc

From the post, you are trying to be condescending but you didn't really think it out did you now? bit of an own goal to be honest

P.S. A little airport called Shannon is in the area and seems to do transatlantic flights if that was a huge concern. Just a FYI

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119765821#Comment_119765821

All they have to do is apply for the correct planning permission. Simples.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119767007#Comment_119767007

Which hasn't been a right since planning laws came in. In the 50s.

You'd better find a time machine to go back and oppose that one

Montage of Feck

With the more affordable hotels being turned over to refugee accomodation and now this, yet another sector is getting gutted in the middle for some short sighted agenda.

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119766995#Comment_119766995

Planning permission won’t be granted in the majority of cases. Not due to the building itself but because of the long term housing situation. The authorities have made this known.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119767048#Comment_119767048

You mean the houses will have to be used for the purposes they were originally built for? Shocking stuff altogether. Imagine family homes being used as family homes rather than a business.

Ubbquittious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119766409#Comment_119766409

Government is now pushing up prices by allowing people to saddle themselves with even more debt. They just love keeping everyone on the treadmill

odyssey06

Killarney is a rent pressure zone?

Eh no.

What's the population density in Kerry?

That's the first mistake here.

Total abuse of powers.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119767007#Comment_119767007

There is no such fundamental right, the sooner you realize this the better.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119766328#Comment_119766328

Paging Mr Godwin, paging Mr Godwin.

How is “enforcing the law” a restriction on basic rights?

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119767072#Comment_119767072

I imagine family homes being used as holiday homes for family members. Anything wrong in having a second home to use?

Tonesjones

Ever since Covid the government have realised they can push anything they like through

The current flavour is dictating what people can and can't do with their own property.

When you have lads like Eamon Ryan, Simon Harris and Stephen Donnelly in positions of power you know its a basket case.

odyssey06

Economic illiteracy on the double.

Governments interferes in rental market, rents at record high.

County council drives away tourists, businesses wonders where the tourists are. County council pleads the poor mouth.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119767223#Comment_119767223

There is no such fundemental right to do whatever you please with your property.

Can I lob up a Ferris wheel in the back garden of my suburban house? No. There's planning laws to adhere to.

Beasty

merged

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119767237#Comment_119767237

Jayus you don't miss a thread at all.

How are things?

"There's planning laws to adhere to"

That's right and it's lads like those mentioned above who come up with the laws.

Bobtheman

Denmark has a zero refugees policy but unfortunately we are led by too many right on Liberals.

A better policy would be agreeing to take x amount and no more

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119767237#Comment_119767237

You can still bulldoze your property to the ground before the government tries to make an accommodation Ferris wheel out of it themselves

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119767263#Comment_119767263

Italy are threatening to ban all refugees too.

As well as NGOs

"NGOs and reception hotspots are no longer welcome in Italy, as iterated in the campaign rhetoric of Giorgia Meloni, the far-right and post-fascist political leader poised to become Italy’s next Prime Minister. If true, such a stance could present an array of problems, seeing as Italy’s shores constitute the main destination for migrants from North Africa"