Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776179#Comment_119776179

So we go back to tenements and alike work houses. Great. 12 to a small thatched house. jebus.

Patrick2010

So where do suggest we place all the refugees currently in direct provision as well as 48000 Ukrainians as well as all those seeking protection? Build more houses for them?

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776532#Comment_119776532

Soon a right to housing will be brought in and we will have to provide a house for everyone who arrives here and wants one.

AyeGer

Priority should be given for people fleeing actual war zones. Ukraine should be high up that list.

Tonesjones

Spain give Ukrainian refugees 100 euro per week

maninasia

At the rate we are going mud huts and tenements will be back in vogue in no time.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776514#Comment_119776514

That not how population growth trends work, pre famine we were touching 9 million, England had for comparison 13.5 million, Denmark just above 1 million, etc, etc.

If the famine didn't happen Irelands population would have followed similar trends and be multiples of what it is now. Obviously there is numerous permutations as to how large, but universally people who have studied agree much larger.

And AFAIK their isn't 12 to a small thatched house in either England or Demark.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776214#Comment_119776214

Butter in the year 800bc cost 2 shiny pebbles per handful.

Source?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776290#Comment_119776290

This is the dumbest argument I have read in relation to supporting unrestricted immigration.

Where did I say I supported "Unrestricted Immigration?"

Folks love scoring points on strawmen though.

User claim: Ireland cannot support more people

Fact: Ireland historically proven up to 8.5 million minimum.

Bringing you this fact wasn't tantamount to saying fling the doors open and invite whole Al Qaeda terror camps to come stay for the weekend or any other such imagined horseshit.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776514#Comment_119776514

The guff I already addressed: Ireland is plenty more technologically advanced than thatched houses now. People have indoor plumbing light and heat etc.

Just last year Ireland had the 10th most vacant homes in the world. https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ireland-has-10th-highest-rate-of-vacant-homes-in-the-world-study-finds-1.4709476

"Mud huts" get your grips people.

CrabRevolution

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776611#Comment_119776611

But it "supported" 8.5 Million in dire poverty.

It "supported" 8.5 Million with a life expectancy of 40.

It "supported" 8.5 Million living in dirt hovels.

It "supported" 8.5 Million where disease was rampant

It "supported" 8.5 Million where healthcare and public services were minimal to non-existent.

It "supported" 8.5 Million where most lived on tenuous rented patches of land.

It "supported" 8.5 Million where most families were subsistence farmers for whom one bad harvest could (and did) lead to mass starvation and ruin.

Unless that's the quality of life you want us (and the millions of immigrants you desire us to take in) to have, then it's pretty clear why your point is one of the most moronic made yet on the thread.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776646#Comment_119776646

You're seeing it in the diametrically-opposite way: Life expectancy is up, disease is down, dirt hoveling is non existent, healthcare exists and never, amazingly, achieves a perfect state. There is also the globalized economy now, "mass starvation and ruin" risk null to zero, thank your trading partners in the UN, EU and NATO.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119773421#Comment_119773421

Sit through a thunderstorm or a war, choice is theirs. Maybe we should apologise because the climate isn’t to their liking or we haven’t enough 4 star hotels to turn them into, erm.. ‘hubs’ for them.

nobody ever promised them any standards of accommodation on them deciding to uproot and travel to Ireland, over 3000 kilometres plus from The Ukraine… they are here under a temporary protection directive… which doesn’t guarantee types of accommodation or the weather….

the fact that they are required to ‘share’ space in the context of what’s happening should be zero surprise… to them or anyone……

maninasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776622#Comment_119776622

Delusional stuff. If there are so many vacant homes how come all over the country folks are desperate for accommodation. And that they are gerrymandering accommodation whatever way they can for the influx right now.

That article's bullshit figures not believable in the slightest.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119775800#Comment_119775800

Solidarity is about packing them in and coining.

CrabRevolution

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776664#Comment_119776664

But you're taking the population figure from 1845 and grafting it to the living standards of 2022.

Ireland has supported 8.5 Million in dire poverty. It has barely supported 6 Million to a high living standard.

It has not supported 8.5 Million to a high living standard ever.

Have you ever seen the standard of some/most of the houses those 8 million people were living in? One room shacks for anywhere between 10 and 15 people!

Do you actually expect us to willingly return to those standards?

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776537#Comment_119776537

Haha, we’ve better apply for planning permission to extend the island so ;) 😳

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776728#Comment_119776728

It’s why there are here, opportunities as much as a safer life.

mohawk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776492#Comment_119776492

Our health service is every bit as bad as portrayed it is not scaremongering. We don’t have enough healthcare staff, we don’t have enough beds and our waiting lists have never been as long. A&E wait times are higher then they were a few years ago. Chronic shortages of GP’s. Unless it’s an emergency in many cases you will be waiting over a year for an operation/procedure if your lucky.

Hyperventilating about the housing market….this can’t be for real. Tell that to those living in hotels because there is nowhere else to house them. Housing issues in this country is a crisis. Look at quantity and price of what is available to rent. Then while renting try to save for a deposit for a house. Our local community Facebook page constantly has posts from people desperately looking for accommodation. Friends, family and colleagues are saying same thing about their areas. Young people who want to move out are living at home with their parents.

Nobody wants to see people from a war torn country with no where to go. Resources such as shelter are limited. However are we at the point where we look after who we have instead of stretching what we have out even further to the point where people are in tents for the winter.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776532#Comment_119776532

Modular homes. If only natives stopped objecting!

Strumms

Exactly ^^^^ and we’ve had first had experience of this over the last 5 years in my family, my Dad in there now and having to haggle and hassle to try keep a bed he is paying for with health insurance AND taxes. Successfully I might add but who when ill needs that fûcking stress.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776669#Comment_119776669

A totally empathetic post. Let’s hope you never need a strangers help.

BTW, there’s no “The”. Simply Ukraine.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776857#Comment_119776857

At 300k a house, where is the money coming from and why aren’t we building them for Irish citizens?

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776908#Comment_119776908

Exactly.

sarahahahaha

There is no more room here.

What the government should do is buy a tract of land in the Ukraine, perhaps Poland or somewhere close. Send builders over, hire locals, erect all this modular housing.

Build some facilities, health clinics, provide some staff. The same for schools and provide teachers.

Pay each of the people that flee there the equivalent of the social welfare in Ireland, whatever other perks as well like free travel on local transport.

Plus it could be done cheaper than here.

Would the natives be okay with funding a miniature city in another country? Its essentially the same thing except straighter to the point.

I suppose the biggest difference is that some people wouldn't be making money out of the situation here. But that isn't the point, right?

Right?

almostover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776611#Comment_119776611

Ireland did support a population of 8.5 million. Most of whom lived in abject squalor, misery, disease and poverty. We had zero industry. In fact, the country would have faired better during the potato blight if the population was smaller. But there were far more complex things at play during the famine. It's incomparable to 2022 Ireland.

The simple reality is this country cannot support this level of inward migration and provide a decent standard of living to those immigrants. We're struggling to provide a decent standard of living to the 5 million odd inhabitants already. That's a failure of government policy I concede.

There's zero wrong with increasing the population of Ireland to 8.5 million through both inward migration and natural population growth. There's plenty wrong with doing nothing to facilitate it in a safe manner though. Which is precisely what is being done now.

What we have is morons like O'Gorman. Champagne socialists who are preoccupied with virtue signaling and avoiding doing anything that might be considered even a hint pro-controlled migration. People who have taken a leave from reality. And now that approach is backfiring spectacularly. And the most ironic part is those who are suffering are those who O'Gorman et al are pontificating to us all about helping.

Tough decisions now need to be made. Unpopular decisions even. This crisis has yet even to reach its peak. Wait until the winter COVID wave comes in, along with Flu, Vomiting Bug and all the other usual seasonal illnesses. Health system will be beyond capacity again and O'Gorman and his pals in government will be on RTE playing the poor mouth and wondering how this all happened.

The simple fact is, if we wish to be more open to immigrants, which is a noble and just principle, then we must FIRST create the infrastructure necessary for our society to cope with the population growth.

As the old adage says 'The road to hell is paved with good intentions'.

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776611#Comment_119776611

Tell us your that are a yank without telling us that you are a yank.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776908#Comment_119776908

Can't wait for an answer.

malinheader

Projection of 15,000 beds short by December.

Time for the Government to wake up and call Time on this. A good first step would be to keep o Gorman away from any decision making. The man's on a different planet .

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777027#Comment_119777027

Soooo. You’re ok with families, women, children, babies, grandparents living in bunkers to avoid bombings. Gotcha. Personally, I think that we’re not doing enough. Let Putin get away with this and we’re all doomed. I hope that sits lightly with you. Personally, I find attitudes like yours abhorrent. That’s just my gut instinct. Probably will get me banned, but I’m speaking from my heart b

sarahahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777048#Comment_119777048

You say wre not doing enough.

So what do you think of my idea of funding a new temporary city nearer or in the Ukraine?

Quicker, cheaper, less distance to travel.

I made a thread on it in this forum.

zell12

Minister O'Gorman admitting that we are a destination country?

"We currently don't have a line of sight on that amount of accommodation and that is why we are letting people know if they have an option, if they are in another EU member state, to either stay there or look to another EU member state, that we can't guarantee state accommodation into next week"

The number of Ukranian people arriving to Ireland stands at around 1,500 per week, double what it was in August and September, on top of around 400 others seeking international protection weekly.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777048#Comment_119777048

When you called local Irish people sex starved you weren't banned but I was. I think you be safe enough.

Do you understand the meaning of something when it's full, reached capacity.

sarahahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777073#Comment_119777073

There should be about the population of limerick city arrived by Christmas.

So instead of building the city here, where land prices and construction costs are some of the highest in the world, build a temporary version in a much cheaper place, much quicker, closer to the ukraine?

We're all paying for it already, one way or another, why not get the best value?

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777048#Comment_119777048

It’s war, it happens, nobody is ok with it. But seeing as we are neither causing it, facilitating it or supporting it…

Myanmar, Ethiopia, Eritrea and Sudan all have wars ongoing… do you advocate that we continuously support endangered citizens of those countries ? Families, women, children, babies, grandparents living in bunkers to avoid bombings ?

We’ve done more then enough… are continuing to do so…to the point of our government being abjectly careless, incompetent and belligerently wasteful regarding the wellbeing and safety of tax paying citizens.. it’s ridiculous….

sarahahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777105#Comment_119777105

Build a new city abroad.

Social welfare could still be paid to the inhabitants, but at local rate so it would save a fortune.

baldbear

We need to keeping letting in as many as possible.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777111#Comment_119777111

Sure. Pass it on to anyone else! We can build a new city here. Let refugees line in it for up to 3 years. Then hand it over to our homeless. If they would live there!

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777129#Comment_119777129

If we had of built for our OWN homeless in the first place we might have had more capacity.

SEPT 23 1989

Who is Ireland?

apparently Ireland agreed to take in a massive amount of people into a country who fails to house and give medical services to its own people

so who is Ireland?

as a citizen I was never asked the question to have the agreement in the first place with whomever even though I have contributed hundreds of thousands of euro to the coffers of this state over the years

sarahahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777129#Comment_119777129

Why build a city here at top prices, with a housing crisis that proves its slow as treacle, when it could be done much cheaper and quicker elsewhere?

All the effort and expense is needed here as it is, so why not just shift that effort abroad?

Every single extant issue stays the same, not enough builders, not enough teachers, not enough health staff. If they're already not here, it makes no difference if they're somewhere else.

Social welfare and supports could achieve the same outcome for fractions what it would cost here.

Building a temporary town or city abroad has nothing to be said against it which can't be said against here already, except with a lot more upsides.

We're funding a city of people here as it stands, money wise and infrastructure wise, why not just do it somewhere else?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777095#Comment_119777095

I’ve been volunteering with Ukrainians (amongst other local charities) since the war broke out. One of the petty complaints I’ve heard locally was that all the females were on the game. I posted a tongue in cheek jibe about sex starved locals and you took offence. Basically you had a sense of humour bypass. You didn’t get the joke.

If councils were allowed build either modular homes or other, we’d have plenty of room.

sarahahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777144#Comment_119777144

You weren't asked to take on this burden.

But seeing as you're paying anyway, wouldn't you rather get bang for your buck?

Why pay to accommodate 100k people from somewhere else when you could pay the same to house 200k for half the price in a different country, social welfare for them, healthcare for them, education for them?

It achieves precisely the same goal, except multiples better.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777164#Comment_119777164

If other countries planning and NIMBYism is anything like ours, the refugees will be sleeping on the streets.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777174#Comment_119777174

No my point is . Could I or would i of been allowed to post a joke about sex mad certain people I won't mention without a massive uproar on here. Especially by the mods.definetly not.

By the way I never implied or read a post implying what you mentioned.

A discussion and statements should be fair to both sides.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777174#Comment_119777174

Cost analysis please how many can we build at 300k a pop. Remove the nimby element simple give us how many can be built and for what price.

sarahahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777204#Comment_119777204

If that were the case, then what's the point of coming here at all?

The Irish government is tripping over itself to help as many people from all over the planet and they are using Irish people's money to do so, come hell or not such is their altruism with other people's money.

So why don't they take charge of the building and funding of a city in another country at far better value for money?

Better outcome.

Quicker outcome.

Better value.

It's not like they have any other reason for specifically bringing them here. That wouldn't make any sense. Right?

silverharp

its tragically comic watching virtue signalling meets reality, starting to feel sorry for Ukranians being duped at this stage coming here

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777238#Comment_119777238

Were they even told what the situation is here vs what the headline rates were for supports.