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FI Charts ( T120+ onwards) Summer 2022 **READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST**

  • 31-05-2022 10:06pm
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 15,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gonzo

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    The past year has generally been dominated by areas of high pressure ridging over Ireland with generally warm and dry conditions. Autumn 2021 was unseasonably warm at times and very humid and often dry. Winter 2021/2022 was warm and a non eventful winter. We did have a few weeks of very wet conditions only to go back to dry and settled soon afterwards. Spring was generally warm and settled but May has been a shift to a more unsettled and cooler pattern as time went on. We ended the final day of Spring on a very chilly and dank note. Overall we've had almost a year of warmer than average temperatures and many settled months with only the odd interupption from the Atlantic with a few wet weeks scattered here and there.

    How is the early part of Summer 2022 going to play out? At the moment there is alot of uncertainty about the weather after a few days time. The GFS has been fairly grim over the past week showing a fairly unsettled outlook for the first half of June. The other models aren't much better.

    There is hope that we may begin to see an improvement for the second half of June with ridging from the Azores high and a lift up in temperatures to bring a sense of summer. We are currently in a relatively unsettled and cool pattern but things should begin to warm up slightly from this weekend and into next week. This weekend should be drier than recently but areas of low pressure may begin to bring back unsettled conditions into next week.

    The GFS 12z keeps us generally unsettled as areas of high pressure tries to ridge towards us but never quiet makes it.

    We generally look Atlantic driven over the coming 2 weeks with hints that maybe things might begin to settle down from mid month. I am hoping for a shift to warmer and drier conditons in the models by next week.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭ odyboody

    Oh joy,

    hopefully not "the new normal"

    cool wet summers and mild dry winters

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭ squarecircles

    "Unfortunately this seems to be the pattern that will lock in for a while, fairly frequent unsettled weather that while relatively mild will not allow any really summery warmth to develop for the foreseeable future."

    M.T Cranium.

    and im done with model watching for june,such a relief.

    An amazing climate,the way you can bin an entire month,

    such is the relentlessness of the pig muck once it starts.

    denied All those beautiful long June evenings, buried and choked under a grey gun metal shield

    while the rest of Europe laps up those beautiful summer days.


  • Registered Users Posts: 962 ✭✭✭ compsys

    Nowhere in northern Europe is having particularly great weather right now.

    Yes, the Med is fabulous - as it is every year.

    Still plenty of time between now and the end of Sep for nice weather.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,465 ✭✭✭ OldRio

    Some friends flew out to Cologne in Germany from Knock. They left behind rain coolness and dark.

    Forecast 26C today with sun.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 282 ✭✭ eon1208

    That frequent damp is not good in agriculture at all. Hopefully the HP will break this atlantic by mid June or show signs to that effect. Great work guys. Keep us posted. Its appreciated.

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 15,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gonzo

    GFS 00z gives a slight hint towards things settling down at the very end of it's run. It stays very unsettled until June 18th and finally we get a ridge in from the Azores by the 20th. Some very small baby steps towards summer.

    The CFS extended is also looking to build some warmth and high pressure around a similar time. It's worth noting this is very unreliable stuff.

    I feel like it's mid winter and i'm back clutching at straws again wishing against the power of the Atlantic.

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 15,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gonzo

    A low to medium chance of a summer wind and rain storm in about a weeks time between 10th and 12th of June. This would bring very windy, cool and wet conditons to Ireland if it verifies.

    ECM has it too but not as windy, just a very wet system crossing the country.

    GEM has it too, could be quite windy and very wet.

    Hopefully this passes more to our north and avoids us, but it's something to keep an eye on. Regardless we are in for a very unseasonal spell of weather which may feel quite autumnal over the next 7 to 14 days.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭ Chris_5339762

    I was supposed to go to the Skelligs that day... cancelled it given the torrid forecast for the week. Reckon this could be a named storm? The GFS is showing it up to be probably the odd west coast yellow or orange warning. Could be nasty given everything is in full leaf.

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,692 ✭✭✭✭ fits

    Going camping in Connemara mid month. Not feeling too hopeful!

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  • Posts: 257 ✭✭ [Deleted User]

    We have had glorious weather in Donegal since early Friday. Another dry day forecast for tomorrow :)

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,845 ✭✭✭✭ sryanbruen

    Not much to say than what has already been said but in terms of external drivers, I don't expect much from the rest of this June to offer in terms of warm, dry weather. The odd fine day will occur but they will be scattered out. Any hopes of improvement or ease out of this westerly pattern that seems to be dominating this June are quite far out into July due to tropical amplification.

    Just windy, blustery, showery days interspersed with spells of rain. Typical westerly fare which has been infrequent the past year bar February and May to an extent. Nuisance weather.

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,692 ✭✭✭✭ fits

    Going camping next weekend and feeling hopeful on the latest runs.

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 15,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gonzo

    Difficult to determine how next weekend will pan out. Could be a case of 2 halves, warm and settled on Saturday and cold and wet on the Sunday. We will need a few more days before we know what will happen. From Sunday it looks mostly dry but the models do indicate things turning unsettled very quickly through next weekend as we get a sudden breakdown from very warm to cool and this could be potentially thundery as well.

    From midweek temperatures will lift up, but there is alot of scatter involved in how warm or even hot it could get by Friday or Saturday. Thiswarm spell looks rather short lived maybe not lasting more than 2 or 3 days at most but we are looking at anything from low to medium level warmth up to high level.

    let's see what this evenings ECM brings. ECM this morning was also very warm for next weekend but more high pressure orientated rather than plumey burst of short lived heat.

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,845 ✭✭✭✭ sryanbruen

    The same thoughts still apply, not much hope from the rest of June to offer in terms of sustained warm, dry weather for Ireland. The above warm scenario outlined by Gonzo that has suddenly appeared on models is just another one of those heat spikes that have characterised summers since 2015 (bar 2021 and 2018 to an extent) which are useless for providing warmth to much of Ireland unless there is some kind of easterly tilt to the wind as we often find ourselves directly under the trough that is necessary to advect the hot air northwards from Iberia towards Britain. If you're that desperate for a bit of warmth, you might get 1 or 2 days lucky as the high pressure builds to the east of the country before the low pressure topples over the country. Or you know, completely avoids Ireland altogether as is typical.

    Once the plume or southerly is over, we are likely to find ourselves in a very unsettled and relatively cool pattern again with mid-Atlantic ridging developing which is all supported by background drivers. Maybe not quite to the extent shown on the GFS 0z this morning which goes full on -NAO and a washing machine of circulating low pressure around the UK & Ireland - Summer 2007 and 2012 esque. Nonetheless, not great. There's a possibility that the situation could turn out less dire like this week for instance with the jet stream displaced more northward but still relatively unsettled, just less so.

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 15,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gonzo

    The models are bringing this warmth a bit earlier, possibly peaking on Friday (if it happens at all) and an increasingly unsettled and cool pattern for next weekend and beyond. Aside from a few hours yesterday this June has been a pigs ear so far so right now i'd happily take 1 very warm or hot day because once this 24 hour wonder is whisked away we look like we'll be back in the chilly and unsettled pattern which has dominated this June.

    While these heat spike seem common as muck for England, particularly London, these are very rare indeed for Ireland and I'd like to see this actually come off for once.

    Just for fun this mornings ECM ensemble graph has some crazy hot outliers which I feel are impossible to pull off in Ireland with the hottest one getting close to +25C. We rarely see uppers hotter than +15 in this country, not sure we've ever had a +20C on Irish soil during modern times.

    If this heat spike does happen we are most likely to have a 24 hour window of uppers around +10 and not the oven like temperatures of the hot outliers on the ECM.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭ pauldry

    Yes its 8 days away so itl be 19 to 22c at best. This year is a bit like 2011 when we had our twins. Most of June and July that year was teens. When kids were born it was mid twenties for a few days. Prob get one hot week at some stage this Summer but immediate term looks pretty dire. That one day of warmth and prob a few days turning out "not as bad as forecast" is all we will get in next 2 weeks. No heavy rain but showers most days and perhaps a rain event next Friday of 25 to 40mm and cool.

    Meanwhile 45c could be breached in Southern Spain by next Tuesday

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,679 ✭✭✭ igCorcaigh

    Western Europe heatwave may be on the cards?

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,845 ✭✭✭✭ sryanbruen

    Did reach 20C @ 850hPa on the Waterford and south Wexford coast very briefly around midnight on 28 June 2019 but talking like a few hours at most and that spell was a flop with the North Sea undercut not making the high 850s realise their potential on the surface as we all know. 25C in Ireland would require some crazy Biscay low and North Sea high combination with a long fetched SE'ly directly from North Africa I would think, certainly outside the current climatology.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭ squarecircles

    Yes but even at best its only a small area in the east and southeast where temperatures would be high, most of the rest of the country would be very cool, 14 to 18 degrees at best.A dissapointing plume that would not deliver country wide heat bar a few places in the inland east and south east for less than 24 hours.

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,845 ✭✭✭✭ sryanbruen

    GFS 12z is the best case scenario given the transient ridge at hand with widespread warmth for the country from Thursday 16th to Saturday 18th (yes including Mayo) before the northerly as with all other runs comes in though less of a trough than the atrocities the GFS plumped out this morning. But how likely is a best case scenario like that? Well.. not very it has to be said.

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 15,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gonzo

    The GFS 12z is almost an outlier. Gets Dublin to about 24C on the Thursday and Saturday and about 26C on the Friday. Get's London near 38C on the Saturday with parts of central France to about 42 or 43C. If it verified the thunderstorms on the Sunday over France would be quite something. The 12z also showing minor thunderstorm potential for Ireland and major stuff over the UK and France.

    In reality we're looking at temperatures low 20s rather than the extreme hot outliers.

  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭ Hairypoppins

    Tonight's ecm looks good for at least 3 days of sunshine with mid to high 20s possible

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 15,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gonzo

    ECM looks good for 3 days but when you check the temperature it's really only a 36 hour plume of warmth. The warmth get's going in the second half of Thursday afternoon low twenties.

    and on Friday is stays until the evening and washed away by Saturday morning.

    GEM restricts the warmth to just Friday and in the southern half of the country.

    The Icon doens't get it to us at all at least on this mornings run.

    GFS turns us warm on the Thursday and into Friday and Saturday.

    Out of all these the GFS is the hottest, also the temperatures on the GFS are usually down by 2 to 3C during the summer. I highly doubt we will get the Saturday out of this, the cool air will have whisked the warmth away by then.

    Tomorrow the models could look different again.

  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    Pessimistic bunch. All I want is dryness and a bit of sun.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 15,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gonzo

    The GFS 6z not great for warmth away from the far east and south, however the 00z was much warmer but an outlier.

    ECM also not as widespread or warm as yesterdays runs.

    Plenty of changes to come before we become certain of how warm it could get or if we're lining ourselves up for a complete bust instead. This mornings models looks to be more like a glancing blow of warmth.

    The Icon is the only model not going for any warmth whatsoever for Ireland and the UK, instead it keeps the heat no further north than northern France and rolls in the Atlantic next Friday. The Icon was the only model which was correct before Christmas as it did not predict any cold spell while the other models ended up in total failure. I wonder is the Icon correct this time also.

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