US Supreme Court to overturn Roe vs Wade

Overheal

UPDATE: Chief Justice Roberts confirms the leak is authentic.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/chief-justice-john-roberts-confirms-roe-draft-opinion-is-real-announces-investigation-into-egregious-leak/

ORIGINAL:

Politico obtained a February draft of what appears to be the Majority opinion in a landmark decision scheduled to be formally announced this summer, that concerns a 15-week ban in Mississippi. The draft, which Politico published in full, explains the courts opinion, authored by Justice Samuel Alito, that Roe v Wade be reversed, thereby punting abortion rights back to lawmakers. Politico doubled down on the documents authenticity when questioned by other outlets.

Court watchers note the odds of leaks like this,

https://twitter.com/jonathanwpeters/status/1521309806430236672?s=21&t=IPlhRfKM_2xqHTNRPpI8oQ

Because this is not an official publication of a complete ruling, of course no changes have actually taken effect, but it has already become a breakthrough development. If the court indeed rules in this manner, many conservative states have abortion “trigger laws” which will immediately take enforcement effect, outlawing the practice in those states.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473

Within minutes of hitting politicos front page, the Supreme Court ordered its entrances barricaded from the public. Members of the public have already started to congregate there into the night. Reactions mixed. Clearly though, this will be the culmination of decades of conservative efforts to nakedly and politically overturn women’s right to choose.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UIYxT7Fe60c

(Politico journalist interviewed about the leak. Full leak pdf on their article page)^

https://twitter.com/ztpetrizzo/status/1521326052722843648?s=21&t=1MNPJ_QvnetbOWsICgenIA

This is going to be a watershed moment in US history…

Itssoeasy

The phrase “elections have consequences” that we hear from America isn’t just a clever slogan and this is a real and major example of it. I mean Donald trump got to appoint three justices to the Supreme Court during his term in office who were all on a list by the federalist society of potential appointees who said they’d overturn roe vs wade. I mean this in reality can’t be that much of a shock.

Faugheen

As I have always said about US Conservatives; evil, vile bastards.

Ham Grenade

No harm in rolling back this ultra liberal ruling. Roe V Wade is the mirror opposite of the 8th Amendment that bunched so many of the Libs’ panties in Eire. Get over it.

foxsake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119008306#Comment_119008306

you have a warped view of things.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119008330#Comment_119008330

The people most hit by this will be people who can't afford to travel. That's pretty warped...

Kermit.de.frog

Have no issue with this personally. I don't support on-demand abortion and not for religious reasons.

I see a poster mention "you get what you vote for" - well yeah people voted for Republicans in 2016 for exactly these reasons, knowing the Supreme Court was going to have changes that would be less liberal.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119008330#Comment_119008330

You’ve a warped view of things if you think any state has a right to tell women that they can’t receive medical care and should be forced to have children no matter the means.

That’s exactly what this will allow states to do.

Conservatives will harp on about free speech etc but yet are the very ones restricting on the rights of its own citizens.

foxsake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119008400#Comment_119008400

free speech and killing the unborn aren't the same thing , it's bizarre that you would equate them.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119008435#Comment_119008435

Actually when one side whinges that their rights are being impinged on (they aren’t) and then celebrate impinging on the rights of women, it’s absolutely right to call that out.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119008388#Comment_119008388

In a fair election you do but in the gerrymandered manipulation of the US and where State laws can often look like a throwback to the 17th century, you get what they give you. For the rest of the world where it is permissible it's truly baffling that the US just can't address such rights once and for all.

Sudden Valley

Shows land of the free is just an empty slogan. Rights can be taken way and are only temporary

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119008440#Comment_119008440

America and the shìtes Trump left behind are desperate to bring back that 17th Century glory that made America "great".

A lot of the marketing guff America used to brand itself on has fallen apart.

Cody montana

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119008310#Comment_119008310

The majority of people support it though.

Abortion won’t stop.

seamus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119008448#Comment_119008448

Conservatives in the US don't care whether people will die, it's all about the money. Cash flowing in from big religious sects and other vile scumbags is what drives them to keep pushing back against clear human rights issues.

Conservatives politicians in the US want the men poor and toiling, and the women barefoot and pregnant. And 14. That's their wet dream.

Sudden Valley

Has to be a positive for the democrats though, if it happens. They basically have very little that gets their base energised. They were basically only the anti Trump party in the last election and minorities make up about 2/3 of abortions so this is something for them to rally their base.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119008310#Comment_119008310

"Eire"?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119008443#Comment_119008443

The "land of the free" was always an empty slogan, or at least one that was variable depending on the freedoms involved and who was looking for them. The guy who wrote the anthem including that line viewed African Americans as inferior, as most did at the time. It was no land of the free for them, or the natives, or the Chinese when they showed up later on.

Penn

Let's not forget what this is really about; increase birth rates, decrease wealth, make more people struggle financially, make it harder for them to get good jobs and have to take minimum wage jobs (often more than one) to make ends meet and be more susceptible to enduring worse working conditions.

It's cheap labour force. That's all it is. The vast majority of people making the decisions about these laws would happily and easily use abortion services if they needed to. But opposing abortion rights makes them seem "Christian" enough to be more electable, despite being some of the least Christian people imaginable in how they treat and view anyone who they see as being beneath them.

JayPS 2288

Wonderful news. As a previous poster eloquently put it (albeit with several Americanisms in their diction), the Roe vs. Wade was the antithesis of the abolition of the 8th amendment.

Great to see liberal rules allowing the purposeful killing of disabled and “inconvenient” babies once more restricted. Great news to start the day.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119008400#Comment_119008400

To be fair, most females in the US have freely available access to birth control (and it would seem that most are on it). Obviously mistakes happen or whatever. So it isn't quite women being forced to have children.

Anyway, I'm off to buy a few shares in coat hanger manufacturers.

(dark humour maybe but reflects the point that there is still going to be a demand for it)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119008551#Comment_119008551

Pharmacist here, even if you have the mirena coil, the most effective contraception device. You still have a 1% chance of getting pregnant. So there is always a risk of pregnancy. This just makes everything less safe and will lead to women having an increased risk of death due to not being able to get proper abortion aftercare/ illegal abortions. They'll go after contraception next, I guarantee. It was alluded to in the leaked ruling. The so called "Land of the free"

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119008641#Comment_119008641

Those stats are the stats for a person who uses only that method to prevent getting pregnant in a year. It's not quite the same as a 1-in-100 chance every time you get the ride (I'm sure you know, but many get confused). And people can combine different protections anyway. Still, my point was only to the implication that women were going to be almost forcibly rounded up and forced to push out baby after baby. That's a bit dramatic. At least in the US they have fairly robust procedures for chasing down the fathers.

From a skimming of the reports, it seems they will strike down the Constitutional right to it. There won't be an automatic and immediate ban of it. It would just put it back to the lawmakers in their respective states (In Ireland, the Constitution now explicitly delegates the provision of termination of pregnancy to Legislation) . I would imagine that if this judgment is real in the US, there would be a later constitutional challenge at the SC to try to have abortion outlawed explicitly. But I didn't gather that the OP's links were suggesting that was at play yet.

ancapailldorcha

What a rancid stain of a system where judges can just arbitrarily award and withdraw rights as they see fit. What a horrible country.

Podge_irl

I would imagine that if this judgment is real in the US, there would be a later constitutional challenge at the SC to try to have abortion outlawed explicitly.

The very nature of this (apparent) ruling would make that highly unlikely. The very logic they use to allow legislatures to ban it would equally apply to legislatures ability to explicitly allow it.

What is potentially does open the door to would be a federal ban through congress.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119008805#Comment_119008805

and even if that didnt happen we would see at a state level not just bans but criminalisation of abortion for women in red states including those who travel out of state to get one.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119008551#Comment_119008551

Not exactly, also the God bothers are going after birth control too at state level.

Either way I very much doubt it helps women who were raped or raped and coerced into getting pregnant.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119008827#Comment_119008827

Well if you are coerced into getting pregnant, then you're probably at risk of being retaliated against for not being pregnant later on. So I wouldn't put too much emphasis on that unless there was no other point to make

If it goes to the State level, some will provide it and some won't. You wouldn't have a hope of getting it banned in liberal States. There will be some where it would be banned almost immediately.

If people decide to use language like "God botherers" to push a certain agenda, that likely won't help any argument as it will merely distract from the issue at hand.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119008805#Comment_119008805

It would be open to take a case all the way to the Supreme Court to have something akin to "right to life of the unborn" recognised as a constitutional right. If that was done and succeeded, then the States could not legislate to allow for it.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119008879#Comment_119008879

Huh? If you are coerced or raped by an abusive partner and fall pregnant, you are tied to that abuse in someway for the rest of your life. 'Sure haven't they birth control' isn't quite the silver bullet you think it is.

"God Botherers" is perfectly apt or who do you think is throwing money at the criminalisation of women seeking medical treatments?

I doubt its the atheists. 😕

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119008904#Comment_119008904

That's fine. If you are only interested in your own agenda against "god botherers" then push that and distract from what others consider to be the actual issue if you want.

A person would have to be retarded not to know that one way to rally the "other side" in certain US States is to make something about religion or to try to slur them for it. It would be easily discernible from your actions whether you actually cared about the substantive issue or whether it just happened to be a convenient tool for a different agenda.

growleaves

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