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US Supreme Court to overturn Roe vs Wade

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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,415 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    The phrase “elections have consequences” that we hear from America isn’t just a clever slogan and this is a real and major example of it. I mean Donald trump got to appoint three justices to the Supreme Court during his term in office who were all on a list by the federalist society of potential appointees who said they’d overturn roe vs wade. I mean this in reality can’t be that much of a shock.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    As I have always said about US Conservatives; evil, vile bastards.



  • Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭Ham Grenade


    No harm in rolling back this ultra liberal ruling. Roe V Wade is the mirror opposite of the 8th Amendment that bunched so many of the Libs’ panties in Eire. Get over it.

    Post edited by Ham Grenade on


  • Registered Users Posts: 673 ✭✭✭foxsake




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The people most hit by this will be people who can't afford to travel. That's pretty warped...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Have no issue with this personally. I don't support on-demand abortion and not for religious reasons.

    I see a poster mention "you get what you vote for" - well yeah people voted for Republicans in 2016 for exactly these reasons, knowing the Supreme Court was going to have changes that would be less liberal.

    Post edited by Kermit.de.frog on


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    You’ve a warped view of things if you think any state has a right to tell women that they can’t receive medical care and should be forced to have children no matter the means.

    That’s exactly what this will allow states to do.

    Conservatives will harp on about free speech etc but yet are the very ones restricting on the rights of its own citizens.



  • Registered Users Posts: 673 ✭✭✭foxsake


    free speech and killing the unborn aren't the same thing , it's bizarre that you would equate them.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Actually when one side whinges that their rights are being impinged on (they aren’t) and then celebrate impinging on the rights of women, it’s absolutely right to call that out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    In a fair election you do but in the gerrymandered manipulation of the US and where State laws can often look like a throwback to the 17th century, you get what they give you. For the rest of the world where it is permissible it's truly baffling that the US just can't address such rights once and for all.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Shows land of the free is just an empty slogan. Rights can be taken way and are only temporary



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,095 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    America and the shìtes Trump left behind are desperate to bring back that 17th Century glory that made America "great".


    A lot of the marketing guff America used to brand itself on has fallen apart.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,233 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    The majority of people support it though.

    Abortion won’t stop.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Conservatives in the US don't care whether people will die, it's all about the money. Cash flowing in from big religious sects and other vile scumbags is what drives them to keep pushing back against clear human rights issues.

    Conservatives politicians in the US want the men poor and toiling, and the women barefoot and pregnant. And 14. That's their wet dream.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Has to be a positive for the democrats though, if it happens. They basically have very little that gets their base energised. They were basically only the anti Trump party in the last election and minorities make up about 2/3 of abortions so this is something for them to rally their base.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    "Eire"?

    The "land of the free" was always an empty slogan, or at least one that was variable depending on the freedoms involved and who was looking for them. The guy who wrote the anthem including that line viewed African Americans as inferior, as most did at the time. It was no land of the free for them, or the natives, or the Chinese when they showed up later on.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,203 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Let's not forget what this is really about; increase birth rates, decrease wealth, make more people struggle financially, make it harder for them to get good jobs and have to take minimum wage jobs (often more than one) to make ends meet and be more susceptible to enduring worse working conditions.

    It's cheap labour force. That's all it is. The vast majority of people making the decisions about these laws would happily and easily use abortion services if they needed to. But opposing abortion rights makes them seem "Christian" enough to be more electable, despite being some of the least Christian people imaginable in how they treat and view anyone who they see as being beneath them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭JayPS 2288


    Wonderful news. As a previous poster eloquently put it (albeit with several Americanisms in their diction), the Roe vs. Wade was the antithesis of the abolition of the 8th amendment.

    Great to see liberal rules allowing the purposeful killing of disabled and “inconvenient” babies once more restricted. Great news to start the day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,018 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    To be fair, most females in the US have freely available access to birth control (and it would seem that most are on it). Obviously mistakes happen or whatever. So it isn't quite women being forced to have children.


    Anyway, I'm off to buy a few shares in coat hanger manufacturers.



    (dark humour maybe but reflects the point that there is still going to be a demand for it)



  • Posts: 8,647 [Deleted User]


    Pharmacist here, even if you have the mirena coil, the most effective contraception device. You still have a 1% chance of getting pregnant. So there is always a risk of pregnancy. This just makes everything less safe and will lead to women having an increased risk of death due to not being able to get proper abortion aftercare/ illegal abortions. They'll go after contraception next, I guarantee. It was alluded to in the leaked ruling. The so called "Land of the free"



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,018 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Those stats are the stats for a person who uses only that method to prevent getting pregnant in a year. It's not quite the same as a 1-in-100 chance every time you get the ride (I'm sure you know, but many get confused). And people can combine different protections anyway. Still, my point was only to the implication that women were going to be almost forcibly rounded up and forced to push out baby after baby. That's a bit dramatic. At least in the US they have fairly robust procedures for chasing down the fathers.

    From a skimming of the reports, it seems they will strike down the Constitutional right to it. There won't be an automatic and immediate ban of it. It would just put it back to the lawmakers in their respective states (In Ireland, the Constitution now explicitly delegates the provision of termination of pregnancy to Legislation) . I would imagine that if this judgment is real in the US, there would be a later constitutional challenge at the SC to try to have abortion outlawed explicitly. But I didn't gather that the OP's links were suggesting that was at play yet.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,061 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    What a rancid stain of a system where judges can just arbitrarily award and withdraw rights as they see fit. What a horrible country.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,207 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I would imagine that if this judgment is real in the US, there would be a later constitutional challenge at the SC to try to have abortion outlawed explicitly.

    The very nature of this (apparent) ruling would make that highly unlikely. The very logic they use to allow legislatures to ban it would equally apply to legislatures ability to explicitly allow it.

    What is potentially does open the door to would be a federal ban through congress.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,102 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    and even if that didnt happen we would see at a state level not just bans but criminalisation of abortion for women in red states including those who travel out of state to get one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,496 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Not exactly, also the God bothers are going after birth control too at state level.

    Either way I very much doubt it helps women who were raped or raped and coerced into getting pregnant.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,018 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Well if you are coerced into getting pregnant, then you're probably at risk of being retaliated against for not being pregnant later on. So I wouldn't put too much emphasis on that unless there was no other point to make

    If it goes to the State level, some will provide it and some won't. You wouldn't have a hope of getting it banned in liberal States. There will be some where it would be banned almost immediately.


    If people decide to use language like "God botherers" to push a certain agenda, that likely won't help any argument as it will merely distract from the issue at hand.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,018 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    It would be open to take a case all the way to the Supreme Court to have something akin to "right to life of the unborn" recognised as a constitutional right. If that was done and succeeded, then the States could not legislate to allow for it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,496 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Huh? If you are coerced or raped by an abusive partner and fall pregnant, you are tied to that abuse in someway for the rest of your life. 'Sure haven't they birth control' isn't quite the silver bullet you think it is.

    "God Botherers" is perfectly apt or who do you think is throwing money at the criminalisation of women seeking medical treatments?

    I doubt its the atheists. 😕



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,018 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    That's fine. If you are only interested in your own agenda against "god botherers" then push that and distract from what others consider to be the actual issue if you want.

    A person would have to be retarded not to know that one way to rally the "other side" in certain US States is to make something about religion or to try to slur them for it. It would be easily discernible from your actions whether you actually cared about the substantive issue or whether it just happened to be a convenient tool for a different agenda.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,684 ✭✭✭growleaves


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