US Supreme Court to overturn Roe vs Wade

The phrase “elections have consequences” that we hear from America isn’t just a clever slogan and this is a real and major example of it. I mean Donald trump got to appoint three justices to the Supreme Court during his term in office who were all on a list by the federalist society of potential appointees who said they’d overturn roe vs wade. I mean this in reality can’t be that much of a shock.

Shows land of the free is just an empty slogan. Rights can be taken way and are only temporary

Has to be a positive for the democrats though, if it happens. They basically have very little that gets their base energised. They were basically only the anti Trump party in the last election and minorities make up about 2/3 of abortions so this is something for them to rally their base.

Let's not forget what this is really about; increase birth rates, decrease wealth, make more people struggle financially, make it harder for them to get good jobs and have to take minimum wage jobs (often more than one) to make ends meet and be more susceptible to enduring worse working conditions.

It's cheap labour force. That's all it is. The vast majority of people making the decisions about these laws would happily and easily use abortion services if they needed to. But opposing abortion rights makes them seem "Christian" enough to be more electable, despite being some of the least Christian people imaginable in how they treat and view anyone who they see as being beneath them.

To be fair, most females in the US have freely available access to birth control (and it would seem that most are on it). Obviously mistakes happen or whatever. So it isn't quite women being forced to have children.

Anyway, I'm off to buy a few shares in coat hanger manufacturers.

(dark humour maybe but reflects the point that there is still going to be a demand for it)

Those stats are the stats for a person who uses only that method to prevent getting pregnant in a year. It's not quite the same as a 1-in-100 chance every time you get the ride (I'm sure you know, but many get confused). And people can combine different protections anyway. Still, my point was only to the implication that women were going to be almost forcibly rounded up and forced to push out baby after baby. That's a bit dramatic. At least in the US they have fairly robust procedures for chasing down the fathers.

From a skimming of the reports, it seems they will strike down the Constitutional right to it. There won't be an automatic and immediate ban of it. It would just put it back to the lawmakers in their respective states (In Ireland, the Constitution now explicitly delegates the provision of termination of pregnancy to Legislation) . I would imagine that if this judgment is real in the US, there would be a later constitutional challenge at the SC to try to have abortion outlawed explicitly. But I didn't gather that the OP's links were suggesting that was at play yet.

Not exactly, also the God bothers are going after birth control too at state level.

Either way I very much doubt it helps women who were raped or raped and coerced into getting pregnant.

It would be open to take a case all the way to the Supreme Court to have something akin to "right to life of the unborn" recognised as a constitutional right. If that was done and succeeded, then the States could not legislate to allow for it.

That's fine. If you are only interested in your own agenda against "god botherers" then push that and distract from what others consider to be the actual issue if you want.

A person would have to be retarded not to know that one way to rally the "other side" in certain US States is to make something about religion or to try to slur them for it. It would be easily discernible from your actions whether you actually cared about the substantive issue or whether it just happened to be a convenient tool for a different agenda.

Oh right so you are not actually disagreeing with me, you are afraid to cause offense.

Which is quite surprising given your hanger "joke".

What am I disagreeing with?

California is a liberal State. There would not be a hope of people passing a law there outlawing abortion. Yet it has 54% of people who say they believe in "God" with absolute certainty and another 22% percent that are "fairly certain"

If I was some person that wanted to bring in abortion in California, I'd be recruting the likes of yourself who don't actually care about abortion, but have a different agenda, to try to push those voters towards me. The only way to get it in would be to have the likes of you sneering at and riling up that 76% with stupidity and polarisation.

The amount of abortions taking place will stay the same, indeed anyone who has a few quid will do what they want regardless.

The difference now, is how many women will die.

Not strange at all. The point which seems to have gone over your head is that by going on about, and sneering at, "God botherers" that fella who says he believes in God might eventually decide "actually, maybe I don't want to be on the same 'side' as bigots"

Case in point. I wouldn't consider myself religious, and if I had a vote in a State in the US today I'd vote to allow it (obviously with reasonable conditions/checks/protections etc), but here you are, getting my back up and I'm thinking "actually, maybe I wouldn't want to be associated with those people". Now I'd still vote to allow it, but if I was subjected to hearing that irrelevant and bigoted crap constantly for a while, I might be turned off it. Not because I'm personally affected, but because people have a freedom of religion and it isn't your right to try to abuse or discriminate against them for that.

anybody who would vote against medical care for women because somebody on the internet got their back up is a complete f... actually I better stop there before I get banned.

That's up to you. That's not the reality of the situation though.

If you ostensibly claim that you want to achieve "A", and others tell you that if you do "B" then there is less chance of achieving it, and you fire ahead and do "B", all we can ascertain is that you really don't care about "A". You just want to do "B" regardless because that is actually more important to you. "A" is just a handy excuse.

Abortion laws are way too liberal over there, its no harm to change it a bit.