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Murders of two gay men in Sligo

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    #572
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,341 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121283932#Comment_121283932

    And she has comments blocked so nobody can disagree with her, its baffling how that one ever got elected but I doubt she will ever get back in again.



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    #573
    Jizique
    Registered Users Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭Jizique


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121281097#Comment_121281097

    People who don't agree with your beliefs are "nutjobs"?



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    #574
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,912 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121283537#Comment_121283537

    Hate crimes do not exist in Irish law at present. They exist as a concept. Your point doesn't make sense.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #575
    Caquas
    Registered Users Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭Caquas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121284591#Comment_121284591

    Try telling that to the Gardai 🧐

    https://www.crimevictimshelpline.ie/after-a-crime/hate-crime




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    #576
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,912 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121284730#Comment_121284730

    The point I made is factually correct. The definition provided is an explanation of the concept not the law. Legally hate crimes do not exist in Ireland at present. There is no current hate crime law on the statute book.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #577
    Caquas
    Registered Users Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭Caquas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121284737#Comment_121284737

    My point remains - the Gardai said these murders were “hate crimes” but that tells us nothing significant about his motives.



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    #578
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,912 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121284756#Comment_121284756

    You said Palani didn't admit to a hate crime. That makes no sense. There is no such thing legally. Your point makes no sense.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #579
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,104 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121284299#Comment_121284299

    The people Grayson was calling nutjobs have well earned that description.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #580
    TooTired123
    Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    Imagine being brought up as a Muslim and then having to accept that you yourself are gay. I wonder if his campaign of murder was an effort to “cure” himself of that which would surely see him expelled from his own community.



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    #581
    Glurrl
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭Glurrl


    The money he had suggests something else going on



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    #582
    Gen.Zhukov
    Registered Users Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Re the large quantity of cash found - Years ago, mid 00's, I was in a taxi (Dub) driven by an Iraqi - Had perfect english and as we talked he revealed (a bit rant like) that he'd a really big important job in Iraq and insinuated he was loaded back then, ending with 'and now I'm driving a ******** taxi'

    The conclusion I came to was he was ex Ba'ath party and used to be a player in govt - What I'm driving at is that not all Iraqi's that fled Iraq were farming peasants or stall holders from downtown Baghdad - That taxi driver probably had a nice wedge stashed somewhere too



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    #583
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,886 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    apologies if this has already been posted, but its very good....

    https://player.fm/series/in-the-news-2930202/jailed-for-life-who-is-homophobic-killer-yousef-palani




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    #584
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,383 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121284008#Comment_121284008

    Pathological narcissism,



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    #585
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,125 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285181#Comment_121285181


    Regardless, keeping it in a bag would indicate that there is possibly at least an element of non-disclosure going on. There are also laws pertaining to import and export of currency



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    #586
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users Posts: 4,297 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285108#Comment_121285108

    Really no different to Christian or Jewish. It's forbidden under all main religions.

    Like any other religion you either accept yourself and move on or you dont.



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    #587
    tesla_newbie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285330#Comment_121285330

    No different if you compare respective holy books written over a thousand years ago

    very different in terms of 2023 societal attitudes, being gay in Iran is a different kettle of fish than being gay in Cork



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    #588
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users Posts: 4,297 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285353#Comment_121285353

    I disagree. I'd wager there's not many devout Christians living an openly gay life.

    Same as other faith's. $hit don't go together really.



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    #589
    tesla_newbie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    This case had everything

    gruesome murder details

    Victims all gay

    inordinate sums of money found at killers property


    yet the media covered it in the most peripheral fashion as if it were a mere run of the mill story of murder



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    #590
    tesla_newbie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285359#Comment_121285359

    Absolute nonsense , gay Christian’s don’t have to hide their sexuality as a safety defence



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    #591
    Caquas
    Registered Users Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭Caquas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121284775#Comment_121284775

    First there was Grayson saying Palani is not a serial killer because the FBI says serial killers must have at least three murders (as if the FBI controlled the English language and Anthony Burke didn’t count 😡)

    Now you insist there is no such thing as “hate crime” because the phrase is not “in Irish law”.

    There seems to be an inverse correlation between the weakness of any proposition and the determination of people here to insist on it long after they should have understood their mistake.

    I assume you mean “hate crime” is not defined in Irish law and, yes, I know the hate speech Bill has not yet passed. But here’s the good news - and some worry that the Bill may change this - we in Ireland today can use words which have never been used in legislation or even in an Irish court. This website should shut down if that were no longer true.

    And “hate crime” is exactly what the Gardai called Palani’s murders. If you don’t like that, take it up with the Garda Ombudsman but don’t try to censor me.

    My point is that the Gardai have told us nothing about Palani’s motive because, for the Gardai, “hate crime” is so all encompassing and subjective that it could be applied to almost any crime. It certainly is not limited to “homophobia” (Is that in Irish law? If not, your hands will be full 😜)

    I added the point that Palani confessed to murder, not to a “hate crime”. So we know nothing officially about his real motives, despite what the media say.

    And the Gardai tell us he was not “radicalised”. Now there’s a word the FBI seems to control, I never heard it when we had all sorts armed groups with radical plans for a United Ireland. And how much more radical can you get than chopping men’s heads off?

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    #592
    CatLick
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    Palani killed two gay men and tried to kill a 3rd. That makes him a serial killer. And if he was a white Christian than the mainstream media would be all over it like a rash. But of course he isn't so they aren't.



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    #593
    HerrKuehn
    Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    After reading the examiner article, I am left wondering how the hell the family got citizenship? Do we have no standards at all? Just stay 5 years and don't have a criminal conviction? It is absolutely baffling, I have no idea why it is thought to be a good idea to be flinging around citizenship like this.



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    #594
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,383 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285359#Comment_121285359

    Every country that has the death penalty for being gay is Islamic , many more like Iraq are currently moving to bring in laws that restore the death penalty for homosexuality, usually it does not get to trial as the family or the community will have killed the person first.


    It wouldn't even have gone to trial in Iraq.


    It's a paltry defense of it from you.



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    #595
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users Posts: 4,297 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285603#Comment_121285603

    I'm not defending anything. It's a fact that all mainstream religions consider homesexuality a sin.

    Countries in the middle ages (east) habe not evolved as much as western societies to where the church has had to come round to the idea of not burning gays at the alter.

    It's not religious it's societal. All religion's are against it.



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    #596
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users Posts: 4,297 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285364#Comment_121285364

    Maybe not now in Ireland but you don't have to go back too far to when they did.



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    #597
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,912 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285402#Comment_121285402

    Noone is trying to censor you 🤣🤣🤣

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #598
    Caquas
    Registered Users Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭Caquas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285804#Comment_121285804

    At least you've stopped trying to block the phrase "hate crime" but now you don't want me to say "censor". 🤣🤣🤣🤣



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    #599
    highpressisbest
    Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭highpressisbest


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285666#Comment_121285666

    If you were compiling a list of most homophobic countries in the world, Muslim majority countries would dominate. Not getting away from that. Perhaps a few Christian majority countries in Africa would feature but Muslim majority countries lead the way. Maybe that’s just a coincidence.



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    #600
    highpressisbest
    Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭highpressisbest


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285432#Comment_121285432

    I can’t fathom how you can grant citizenship to anyone who hasn’t a reasonable grasp of English or less likely Irish. There might be exceptional cases where this requirement could be waived but most people are well capable of gaining a decent grasp of the language of the country in which they reside and want to obtain citizenship from. Be very surprised if either parent here had a competent level of English.



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    #601
    TooTired123
    Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285330#Comment_121285330

    No you’re quite wrong about Christianity. Catholic gay people are very welcome as long as they are celibate. It’s homosexual intimacy that is a sin.

    For Muslims the homosexual person is to be eliminated.

    But in Islam anyone or anything who isn’t a Muslim is to be eliminated.

    The stated objective of Hamas for example, amongst other things, is to rid the entire world of Jews. You won’t find that anywhere in Christianity, or anything like it.



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