Murders of two gay men in Sligo

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121286424#Comment_121286424

They only moved on because society forced them to move on. All of that stuff about putting people to death etc. etc. is still right there in the bible.

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121286519#Comment_121286519

Agreed as I've stated in previous posts.

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121284008#Comment_121284008

I live in ireland too and never saw a level homophobia that would make me think of beheading people

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121286496#Comment_121286496

Maybe it will maybe it won't. I imagine at some point it will, unless we get a worldwide reset event.

Either way, not many countries I'd rather have been born in than Ireland.

But on a whole as a straight, white, well educated middle class male I've got the best out of Ireland.

If I was born to similar stats in an Islamic country, would I care? Probably not. As I'd be getting the best out of the country.

But if I was retarded/gay/poor/minority or female, you're damn right I'd rather be born in the western world over anywhere else.

highpressisbest

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285671#Comment_121285671

To hear some people tell it, you’d swear the murder of gay men in the Ireland of the past was a daily occurrence. No getting away from the fact that this was an almost unprecedented series of crimes.

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121286749#Comment_121286749

Well lest anybody pick you up wrong. The post you're quoting from me was in response to the statement that Gay Christians can openly go about their faith.

They could not in Ireland of the past was my correct assertion.

This is not to be confused with your statement.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121286488#Comment_121286488

357 k, much in 200 and 500 euro notes.

It's not clear whether it's his money, or his family's.

One suggestion is that it was accumulated from nearly 20 years of welfare payments.

Another suggestion is that it was brought from Iraq.

CAB are investigating it.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121286037#Comment_121286037

Outside of black countries, the rest of the world feared and hated black people. They considered them less than human Plenty of white people still do. What planet are you living on?!?

NSAman

Right, a few things here from reading the comments. Having gay friends from many different religions and backgrounds, has given me an insight into many aspects of different religions and regions of the world. Growing up gay in a Muslim family cannot be easy, compared to a western family.

Does this excuse what this guy did? NO F***ing way.

He and his family came here seeking protection. Fine. He also became an Irish citizen if I am not mistaken. That has rights and responsibilities associated with it. The fact his family has not worked in 17 (approx) years yet are found with hundreds of thousands in cash, means something is wrong. Sorry if you can afford to have that sort of cash IN cash, you should not be asking the Irish Tax payer to look after your every need.

I have done a little reading and viewing on Being gay in a Muslim family. One of the saddest and upsetting videos I watched was one from Palestine. ( no reflection on the current situation) showing how Palestinian Gay men are treated. Shocking is the word. It seems to be a Muslim thing that families could possibly kill their own children for being gay. Its not the norm in western countries (who can also treat their children horribly)

https://youtu.be/VBdW1km1Maw?si=bp_yw8YIUfhqR2Ib

Obviously, the apple didn't fall far from the tree in this case (reading the reports in various newspapers and from the locals).

Anyone excusing killing a fellow human being, using family circumstance or a religion as some sort of excuse needs to take a long hard look at themselves. There is no excuse for murder. Stabbing two people (a third person was also attacked), on 43 times and beheading him, is premeditated. Its murder pure and simple.

0ph0rce0

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121286780#Comment_121286780

The only time you see 500 euro notes is when criminals are caught with large sums of money.

Didn't they get rid of them about 4 or 5 years back as they were only found to be used in criminal activity or some sort of tax fraud/evasion.

Something very dodgy going on.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121286579#Comment_121286579

Behead, no. You could just kick them to death and get a suspended sentence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declan_Flynn

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121286355#Comment_121286355

Literally everything is dictated by our constitution, legislation, appointment of politicians, judges etc.judges

Our constitution was dictated by the Catholic church, so yes, the 'bible ' and the church has an affect on how everybody in this country lives their daily lives 🙄

NewbridgeIR

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121287328#Comment_121287328

200s / 500s not in general circulation for a very long time, if ever

tesla_newbie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121286824#Comment_121286824

that which can be claimed without evidence ( outside of black countries , the rest of the world feared and hated black people” ) , can be as equally dismissed

buried

It's fairly obvious where the money came from. It was sent from Syria/Iraq/The Levant. Sent from the Islamic State, who have been wiring millions to would be foreign based Islamist followers and would be foreign based Islamist militant's since late 2014/ early 2015, the year it reached greatest territorial extent within the Levant. The same year the vast amounts of money was sent to Europe for the attack on Paris that culminated on the massacre on the Bataclan.

The fact this f**king cowardly Islamist piece of **** literally be-headed these poor men, and planned to be-head much more, well, lets just say that I don't need Sherlock Holmes to get up in the morning to tell me where this Islamist piece of $hit got the greasy money from.

corner of hells

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121287773#Comment_121287773

Were the family not Iraqi Kurds ? Persecuted by Isis along with Saddams dictatorship.

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121287987#Comment_121287987

But We are being told that the family are total Irish GAA loving paddies because they have been here x amount of years.

So now all of a sudden they are Iraqi Kurds? Yeah, they are, same as the two Islamists that blew up the city of Boston were Chechen's.

See all that nationhood doesn't matter once you are brainwashed into a religious death cult, a death cult that literally exists without borders.

The current multi global militant wing of ISIS, the one that has been utilising multi global communications, including the internet, to proclaim it's current global Jihadi propaganda towards would be global Islamist followers, has been in existence since 2014.

That is what this $hitheel signed up to. That is why he be-headed these men. That's where he got the money.

Who do you think was more influential to this current Islamist? The internet multi million dollar wielding Islamic State from the 2010's, or Saddam Hussein who was hanged in 2006 after being dragged up from a ditch?

corner of hells

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121288083#Comment_121288083

So he’s an Isis operative ?

buried

If you want to start talking about nationhood and various national geo-political loyalties then look at 9/11. There was 19 hijackers in those Islamist attacks.

15 of those hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia, a stalwart ally of the United States of America.

Didn't matter to those 15 Saudi murderers. What did actually matter to them? Militant Islamism.

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121288247#Comment_121288247

Yeah, why not? ISIS have been, and currently since the mid 2010's seeking, through online discourse, by their various online mullah's and regime leaders literally any potential militant Islamist who can potentially become an operative within the west. One of the first thing Islamic State did from it's inception was to utilize the internet and digital communication system to reach any would be-cadre in the west that they could reach, and employ by that method. Wiring hundreds of thousands of dollars to would be-militants, which ISIS had the ability to acquire, once they had control over vast swathes of the Levant and her resources. That is where the funding for the Bataclan Massacre in Paris came from.

ISIS is an ideology, not a James Bond like villain group. It is an ideology because it utilizes a serious borderless brainwashed weapon. Abrahamic Religion.

Caquas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121286410#Comment_121286410

Intellectually challenged? He came up with an ingenious plan to murder as many Irishmen as possible and in the most gruesome fashion. It took some brains to figure out how to contact complete strangers and get invited into their homes where they would allow him to tie them up. Then he could do his worst and no one would know until he was long gone because he had made sure they lived alone. And he always wore a black hoodie, because of CCTV.

Intellectually challenged or devilishly clever?

He explained much of this to the Gardai. His criteria for selecting his victims were as follows:

"own a house, it has to be planned, can't be hurting kids or women, like to be treated like women and sluts, like to be tied up and raped so don't scream and kill them".

Also, they must be "living alone" and "100% Irish".

He lied about many things but we know from the record of his crimes that he was telling the truth here.

Of course, he lied about "voices in my head" because he never mentioned any such issue to anyone until he was caught and he hoped he could claim an insanity defence. The Gardai and the media say his motive was "homophobia" although he denied that he had hostility towards gays and he even denied he was gay, despite being on gay apps and having sex with his victims. He may well have suffered from an impossible conflict between his religion and his sexuality but that dilemma faced gay people throughout history and, out of all those countless billions of conflicted gays in the past, not a single one ever went on a rampage like this.

So, again I ask, what crazy, evil thing did Palani tell himself as he went on his rampage? He will never tell us his true motive but it can't be just "I hate gays". Remember he was going to continuing his rampage until he was caught. Do you think he told himself "I hate gays so much I will destroy my entire family"?

Incidentally, I notice that the Garda said specifically that one person identified Palani from a photo the Gardai had obtained. Why is this civic-minded individual still anonymous when they should be receiving the Freedom of Sligo for saving the town from more horrendous murders?

And how many other people who knew Palani failed to recognise him in that photo?

hymenelectra

Another story hidden in plain sight.

The politicians and their adjacent in this country have not given one flying fiddlers fook about who gets in here.

All they care about is literal numbers. More people, more pressure, more profit.

A few beheadings now and then, general decline of society, not a bother. Can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

Why?

https://extra.ie/2023/10/26/news/irish-news/healy-rae-tralee-guesthouse

That's why.

If its not the brazen direct profiteering with names attached, it's a cousin, or a friend, or a sister in law.

This beheading (pause to take in that irish people were actually beheaded, in Ireland, by non irish people) won't nearly be the last of this profiteering disaster.

When it all comes out, and it will, this migration gig is going to be the biggest scandal in the history of the state. Next year, 10 years from now, it's going to be the veritable shooting fish in a barrel of who created this and who made bags off it. All the names you know.

hymenelectra

Another angle is to imagine the reaction if reversed.

A ballooning immigration of irish people into, say, Pakistan. A few Pakistanis are literally burned alive on a crucifix by an Irish person, who's family is living off the Pakistani state, and yet have hundreds of thousands cash stashed away.

There'd be a bloody genocide of irish people left right and center. A few messages on the Internet it most certainly wouldn't be.

There's being barbaric and theres being polite to the point of fatality. Then there's the middle ground of reality.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121287328#Comment_121287328

The printing of new 500s stopped, yes.

The existing 500 euro notes are still in circulation.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121288459#Comment_121288459

Hey, I was just reporting what his teachers said. They had been in his company for 5 years and considering they were teaching him, I'd imagine they'd know about his intellectual capability.

But if you're right there's two options.

1) He managed to pretend he had limited abilities, and keep that up through secondary school, just so that some day he could pull off a crime that was stabbing someone in the eye and legging it. And you add to that that choosing victims that lived alone was a super genius move is far beyond the abilities of anyone but the smartest people.

or

2) You could chose to believe that his teachers are all lying for some reason.

You seem to be living in a conspiracy land where nothing is as it seems, the gardai, the teachers, everyone is lying to you. And only you can see the truth.

I've said this about me in this thread, but it really goes for all of us. We aren't psychologists. We aren't specialists. everything we suppose is the result of some people who have watched a few movies, maybe read a few books and a few articles. It can be entertaining to muse and ponder why he did what he did. And it's also human nature to wonder that stuff. But at least for most of us here, we'll at least accept the basic facts that are reported and aren't going down some racist conspiracy hole.

Caquas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121289078#Comment_121289078

I didn’t contradict his teachers. I showed that, tragically, he had the brains to come up with a horribly effective plan. So “intellectually challenged” may be true but it explains nothing about his murderous rampage.

Don’t accuse me of conspiracy theories. I’m asking the most basic question- why? No one has come up with an explanation and certainly not the Gardai and the media. “Hate crime” or “homophobia” explain nothing about a serial killer without parallel in our history.

corner of hells

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121289392#Comment_121289392

There was those horrific murders in Clare a couple of years where a mother , child and priest were murdered , only for the courage of a local man and Gardai , there could have been a lot more murdered.

Caquas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121289558#Comment_121289558

Yes, they were absolutely horrific crimes but they were not comparable to the Sligo murders. The murderer had a long history of mental illness, violence and crime. He died in the Central Mental Hospital.

I didn't say that there were no terrible murders in Ireland. I have posted a lot about such murders on the "unsolved mysteries" thread, on Malcolm Macarthur and on the murder of Charles Self. But nothing compares to Palani's rampage i.e. he planned to murder at least a dozen strangers in the most brutal fashion. And yes, various paramilitary gangs carried out mass murders in Ireland, north and south, but we know their motives.

tesla_newbie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121289558#Comment_121289558

Covered extensively by media at the time, both at the time of the events and afterwards

my mother was born not far from where that happened, killer was a ticking time bomb

corner of hells

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121289771#Comment_121289771

Ah yeah , I’m agreeing with you.Just an observation.