Star Trek: Strange New Worlds

Sad Professor

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OSI

Much rumoured spin off series starring Pike confirmed:

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/05/star-trek-will-go-to-strange-new-worlds-in-new-spinoff-series/?amp=1

Star Trek fans who finished season 2 of Discovery and are clamoring to see more of Capt. Christopher Pike helming the original starship Enterprise are getting their way, as CBS has announced a new series putting Pike, Spock, and Number One back on screen.

Star Trek: Strange New Worlds will come to CBS' All Access streaming service, the network said today. Ethan Peck will reprise his role as Spock, the Vulcan science officer originally portrayed by Leonard Nimoy from the 1960s. Anson Mount, who played Pike in Discovery, and Rebecca Romijn, who played first officer Number One, will also reprise their roles.

Bobtheman

Really?

But big problem is we know how Pike dies?

Goodshape

Yeah really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD6kUZwMOjQ

Cool!

Bobtheman

But we know how he dies ???
That's why we had a new time line for the re booted star trek movies to remove that problem

AMKC

Oh cool. Can't wait. Love that trailer they even have the proper music in it. We might get a Star Trek show that is al about what Star Trek is supposed to be about, optimism, hope, no greed, no hate, a better time, with humans and other races working together and getting to explore strange new worlds. I have some ideas alreay of what they should do and where they should go. Hopefully it will not mean every episode is linked to the next but still have good character development. I have been watching ''Vagrant Queen'' lately and the character development in that is very good.

CastorTroy

Just hope they don't go the dark moody route they seem to enjoy taking. Think the main reason I and I'm sure most people liked these characters was that they were more lighthearted, as seen in the Short Treks as well.
Now the question is do we ever want to find out Number One's real name, assuming that's not actually her name?

Bobtheman

Hello we know he can't die !!!

Justin Credible Darts

https://www.deviantart.com/gazomg/art/Star-Trek-The-Cage-Discovery-Style-795265312

Goodshape

Bobtheman wrote: »

Hello we know he can't die !!!

Everyone dies in the end.

We can still watch to see what they get up to before that.

pixelburp

CoVid notwithstanding, production should be relatively simpler you think, considering the primary ship sets are already built - or at least present to reassemble. Ditto costumes. So really they'll just need locations for planets and episodic interiors.

Cautiously excited about this. Be funny if the happenstance spin off became the main attraction in New Trek

Justin Credible Darts

pixelburp wrote: »

CoVid notwithstanding, production should be relatively simpler you think, considering the primary ship sets are already built - or at least present to reassemble. Ditto costumes. So really they'll just need locations for planets and episodic interiors.

Cautiously excited about this. Be funny if the happenstance spin off became the main attraction in New Trek

I think this will be vastly superior to discovery.
The bar is set low so it would be near impossible for it to be worse.


Add in that Pike was the best character in Discovery so no surprise I think this will be better

Inviere

It's funny, because if this show were announced before Discovery came out....we'd all make a collective groan, citing the lack of originality in making a show about Pike, Spock & Number 1 on the Enterprise before Kirk....and we'd have been right, we've wanted something different for a decades.

However, after Discovery, a return to the Enterprise, Pike, Spock, & Number 1 seems like a step forward again :pac:

Anyway, yeah, hopeful for this...Mount nailed the role (wasn't mad about the portrayal of Spock), so this will come down to the writing/production. I hope to god they don't start arsing around with Section 31, meaningless story arcs, & instead give this show some much needed sense of character.

Justin Credible Darts

Would like to get some back story on how united earth / UESPA/ coalition of planets/ Starfleet transitions that took place during and after enterprise

AllForIt

Goodshape wrote: »

Everyone dies in the end.

Yep, and sometimes they even come back to life.


Anyway, hopefully the series will be boldly going.

Bobtheman

Goodshape wrote: »

Everyone dies in the end.

We can still watch to see what they get up to before that.

I disagree. How can you take any threat the ship faces with this knowledge? Pike can do what he likes.
However I suspect they will address this issue in the first few episodes.

CastorTroy

I guess it'll occur a couple times where Pike thinks "Is this what leads to my injuries?"

And I'll admit to not having watched much of TOS but wasn't part of that show and the films Spock's character growth? But from what we've seen so far of this Spock, he seems to have more a personality. Though if I remember correctly from The Cage, he wasn't as emotionless

TheIrishGrover

Yeah, this is great news. Pike and the Enterprise crew in general brought a bit of fun and life to Disco (As per other threads, I like Discovery but I loved the energy Pike and crew brought).

I'd say they will keep it a bit more upbeat and episodic than Discovery and Picard. Think TNG with a smidge more fun. Just purely based on their depictions in Discovery. They all looked like they were having a ball.

As for his eventual outcome, they can go seasons without delving into that. I'm sure there will be some who they should be going over timelines of series, books, games, comics, interviews, navel lint. But I really don't care. I'm just delighted it's official. We knew it was coming but it's good to see it confirmed.


Oh, and can we get it over and done with quick? The ship is different from TOS Enterprise. The bridge is different from TOS Enterprise. There may be more diversity in the crew than TOS Enterprise. The aliens will look different from TOS Enterprise. Storylines may not gel 100% with TOS expanded timelines. Characters may act differently from their TOS equivalents. I have ZERO problems with that. If I wanted it to stick slavishly to TOS I would only watch TOS

So in short: YAY!

Bobtheman

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Yeah, this is great news. Pike and the Enterprise crew in general brought a bit of fun and life to Disco (As per other threads, I like Discovery but I loved the energy Pike and crew brought).

I'd say they will keep it a bit more upbeat and episodic than Discovery and Picard. Think TNG with a smidge more fun. Just purely based on their depictions in Discovery. They all looked like they were having a ball.

As for his eventual outcome, they can go seasons without delving into that. I'm sure there will be some who they should be going over timelines of series, books, games, comics, interviews, navel lint. But I really don't care. I'm just delighted it's official. We knew it was coming but it's good to see it confirmed.


Oh, and can we get it over and done with quick? The ship is different from TOS Enterprise. The bridge is different from TOS Enterprise. There may be more diversity in the crew than TOS Enterprise. The aliens will look different from TOS Enterprise. Storylines may not gel 100% with TOS expanded timelines. Characters may act differently from their TOS equivalents. I have ZERO problems with that. If I wanted it to stick slavishly to TOS I would only watch TOS

So in short: YAY!

I'm looking forward to it because musk as Pike reminded me of Kirk. The same easy masculinity. Not afraid to be vulnerable. I liked all the subsequent captains except Archer but musk reminds me of Kirk.

Bobtheman

Musk could hang out with the crew. Picard was too aloof.

DMcL1971

After having forced myself to watch season one of Discovery and just about making it through Picard. I’m not even going to attempt to watch this. I’ll gladly watch anything before Discovery but I’m not subjecting myself to any of this new stuff again.

Inviere

DMcL1971 wrote: »

After having forced myself to watch season one of Discovery and just about making it through Picard. I’m not even going to attempt to watch this. I’ll gladly watch anything before Discovery but I’m not subjecting myself to any of this new stuff again.

As much as I didn't enjoy what Discovery became, you can't right-off subsequent shows because of it. Watch this & give it a fair chance, at least then you'll be comfortable with your decision to either stop, or keep watching.

Goodshape

Bobtheman wrote: »

I disagree. How can you take any threat the ship faces with this knowledge? Pike can do what he likes.
However I suspect they will address this issue in the first few episodes.

But most episodes of Star Trek don't involve a life-or-death scenario for the captain. A few do, but most don't. I think it'll be fine.

CastorTroy wrote: »

But from what we've seen so far of this Spock, he seems to have more a personality. Though if I remember correctly from The Cage, he wasn't as emotionless

Yeah, I think it's pretty much established now that Spock was more "human" in his, relative, youth. It's a handy get-out for more recent produtions but I think you can see the evidence for it even in TOS and the original films. And certainly if you include The Cage.

I'm not totally sold on this portrayal of Spock either though. We'll see. It's a tough character to get right, Nimoy's portoyal is too iconic.

TheValeyard

Pike and Spock were a surprise hit for me in S2. I will look forward to this. Also, it will be much more episodic and optimistic than Discovery and Picard. So that's a bonus for me!

Bobtheman

I liked discovery. Good story telling. The lead was a bit full but besides that I liked It
Picard had it's flaws chief among them being that Stewart was too Old but I'd still recommend it.

Bobtheman

Btw when is discovery back on !

Evade

Knowing Pike, Spock and the ship will survive would drain any tension out of scenes where they're in danger and I'd like to hope the writers would be smart enough to not put them in those types of situations but I wouldn't bet on it.

FVP3

Seriously how many times do you watch a Star Trek episode and assume there is a genuine risk to the cast and crew in any encounter with anything?

Evade

FVP3 wrote: »

Seriously how many times do you watch a Star Trek episode and assume there is a genuine risk to the cast and crew in any encounter with anything?

About 0.7% of the time.

FVP3

Evade wrote: »

About 0.7% of the time.

For me its 0%. I never everyone to die. Even watching the TNG episodes where the Enterprise blew up ( there were 2). Why? Because that would have meant the rest of the series would be about some other ship with a different cast.

pixelburp

Tension doesn't mean thinking characters are going to die, otherwise no drama would be tense cos we know the main cast are safe. Prequels for me are only redundant, dramatically, if we've already seen the summation or most relevant part of a characters life. Han Solo, for instance as a classic example. While that can be said of Spock, we saw so little of Pike before Discovery there's more than enough emotional space for a prequel show to flesh his story out while having enough gaps to put tension in.

FVP3

pixelburp wrote: »

Tension doesn't mean thinking characters are going to die, otherwise no drama would be tense cos we know the main cast are safe. Prequels for me are only redundant, dramatically, if we've already seen the summation or most relevant part of a characters life. Han Solo, for instance as a classic example. While that can be said of Spock, we saw so little of Pike before Discovery there's more than enough emotional space for a prequel show to flesh his story out while having enough gaps to put tension in.

I actually think it might increase the tension of the entire series if we know it has to come to a tragic end. Maybe they reshoot The Cage in the final episode, along with the subsequent accident mentioned in the Menagerie

Evade

FVP3 wrote: »

For me its 0%. I never everyone to die. Even watching the TNG episodes where the Enterprise blew up ( there were 2). Why? Because that would have meant the rest of the series would be about some other ship with a different cast.

I didn't read the question as the entire crew dying and my answer was a joke in that a main character permanently dies in about 0.7% of Star Trek episodes.

Justin Credible Darts

FVP3 wrote: »

Seriously how many times do you watch a Star Trek episode and assume there is a genuine risk to the cast and crew in any encounter with anything?

I was never aware that tasha was leaving TNG, or Dax leaving DS9 at the time i saw the episodes, it was not like we lived in a time when spoilers were so freely available so them leaving did surprise me

Stark

It's Star Trek, not Game of Thrones. "No-one is safe" is not the primary driver for the show.

Even if we know the fates of Pike and Spock, there's still so much to explore. There'll be minor characters to kill off. Kirk was always a safe character on TOS but we had episodes like "City on the edge of Forever" where the character is put in a Superman style danger scenario where his vulnerability is through the people close to him. I'd like to see them explore Spock's relationship with Sarek. How does it deteriorate so badly that by the time TOS comes around, they won't even acknowledge each other when standing face to face.

And of course, there's Number One. It's setup so she, Pike and Spock are the trio of major players. So why is she never mentioned from TOS onwards? Why when Pike needed to be taken to Talos IV, it was Spock coming to his aid but Number One was nowhere to be seen or heard from? Number One, you in danger girl.

Justin Credible Darts

What I would like to see in this show

More Tellarites and Andorians since the coalition of planets has long since happened and is now Starfleet
Less Klingon and romulan stuff that has been done to death and more Cardassian, Tzenkethi,and other non federation races of the Alpha Quadrant.

How other races like the Bolians, Trill etc joined the Federation
Maybe the introduction of the earlier doctors like Boyce, or helmsman Sulu and other characters.

odyssey06

Stark wrote: »

It's Star Trek, not Game of Thrones. "No-one is safe" is not the primary driver for the show.

or, not Babylon 5

AMKC

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

I was never aware that tasha was leaving TNG, or Dax leaving DS9 at the time i saw the episodes, it was not like we lived in a time when spoilers were so freely available so them leaving did surprise me

Me either. It was a great time to be watching shows on T.V as you never had to worry about spoilers.

CastorTroy

I know I said about Pike wondering about the events leading to his death, but I think they should play with that in a way that he approaches some situations as "This isn't how it happens". Like it happens on a ship so he can do some crazy stuff on a planet knowing he'll be fine.

I really just want a sequel series that at least deals with the Conspiracy storyline from TNG

~Rebel~

The cast in place is decent already, so will be all about the writing really. I just hope to christ Alex Kurtzman has very little/nothing to do with this on a practical level.

GSPfan

Jesus I came in here thinking people would be as delighted as I am about this and I’m reading people moan about knowing that Pike can’t die/will die so there’s no point!

I haven’t really liked Discovery. Picard was a lot of Meh. This is hopefully everything I expect it to be. I want an episodic show back. Just give us episodes that aren’t serving an overall universe ending arc please. Please.

AMKC

GSPfan wrote: »

Jesus I came in here thinking people would be as delighted as I am about this and I’m reading people moan about knowing that Pike can’t die/will die so there’s no point!

I haven’t really liked Discovery. Picard was a lot of Meh. This is hopefully everything I expect it to be. I want an episodic show back. Just give us episodes that aren’t serving an overall universe ending arc please. Please.

I agree totally. I want to see the character developed over the course of the show yes but also want episodic episodes back not some big arc your supposed to follow because to be fair the only Star Trek show so far that has done the right and well I's DS9. I want to see hope and optimism in the show. I want to see a Spock without all the experience and logic that he eventually gets. Maybe he might even be a bit arrogant here too a bit like Shelby or Riker starting out.

BrookieD

Cannot wait for this to air, i think it will be a lot lighter in tone and will have fun adventures with the crew. The Ship is different but good different, everything else i can and will accept so long as the writing is well crafted i am in.

CastorTroy

Oh I'm looking forward to it. So this will be the 4th series with Discovery, Picard and Lower Decks (whenever that finally comes out)

Bobtheman

I am looking forward to it..I'm sure they will work out pikes dilemma easy enough. This is sci fi after all.

Looking forward to this. There’s no legitimate way of watching the short treks unless you’re American is there? Thought maybe Netflix but none.

TheIrishGrover

Bobtheman wrote: »

I am looking forward to it..I'm sure they will work out pikes dilemma easy enough. This is sci fi after all.

A wizard did it

pixelburp

I don't think Pike's fate is that hard to square; Discovery established his personality as being rooted in a sense of Faith. As said already he could be a great mix of Kirk's emotion versus Picards intellectualism. We already saw him coming to terms with his faith against the knowledge of his eventual fate. No reason the show can't keep going in that direction, and how the Captain keeps going, knowing that training mission is coming.

ronano

I am quite excited about it, I thought Pike knocked it out of the park as they say and Spock was an interesting interpretation of the character. What we're hearing about it being more episodic and attuned to concepts of older trek bodes well. It could still be a mess, terrible writers etc but I'll give it a go.

Off topic: Discovery has elements of greatness and I enjoy the show overall but god damn if Michael isn't the most irritating and overacted character in trek.

AMKC

So what part of the Enterprise NCC-1701 under Pike are you looking forward to seeing and what crew member besides the three we know about are you looking forward to seeing? I think it will be interesting to see what sick bay is like on Pike's Enterprise and also who the Chief Medical Officer will be and what race too.

pixelburp

Another question is how much more of the main cast needs filling? Obviously we know of three at the outset - Pike, Number 1 & Spock; so I guess... what? As AMKC says a Doctor; maybe a couple of ensigns on the bridge for some "Klingons off the port bow" moments; a chief engineer or security officer perhaps. Beyond that I guess it also depends on whether there'll be an overall arc & antagonists for regular appearances.