Star Trek: Strange New Worlds

pixelburp

Finally a trailer. Definitely an atmosphere trailer rather than story based but I'm liking what they're selling. A tangible sense of aspiration and exploration.

Slydice

On youtube now!

Star Trek: Strange New Worlds | Teaser Trailer | Paramount+

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxuyzk5DUFc

AMKC

Oh I like that. They might actually get this right. Even the music sounds good.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118759361#Comment_118759361

It has done nothing to dampen the resting hype I've had for this. All it needs to be is a straight down the middle, adventure serial with no fuss, irony or subversion. That trailer suggests we may get this (though casting such as a descendant of Khan tempers my buzz somewhat)

pixelburp

The above YouTube trailer isn't working anymore; geoblocked maybe? Here it is from another channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL1td9sIGvs

EoinMcLovin

https://tvline.com/2022/03/15/paul-wesley-captain-kirk-star-trek-strange-new-worlds/

breezy1985

Nice to see the Discovery fetish for having crooked cuts on uniforms is gone. Overall they really seem to be going for a classic look with the sfx.

Hiring lads from Vampire Diaries and similar teen angst shte isn't a good sign though.

Evade

Isn't Kirk a lieutenant, and assigned to the Farragut, when season one of SNW is set?

eadrom

Boring.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791291#Comment_118791291

Ah now, I wouldn't hold a particular role against an actor; work is work, look at fellow vampire Robert Pattinson after all.

Now, having Kirk appear is a bit shít and lazy - hopefully it's limited to a small cameo or guest role. A visiting federation ship. His sitting in the captain's chair is weird: what ship should he be on at this point? Maybe it's part of an episodes plot.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791905#Comment_118791905

Normally I wouldn't but it all feeds my worry that the people in charge love all this teen angst stuff and think its amazing TV. Discovery would certainly give that impression.

Evade

The best way to do a Kirk cameo would be to have the Enterprise meet the Farragut for whatever reason and Kirk being the watch officer. There's no guarantee the captain's chair he's sitting in is the one on the Enterprise.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118793661#Comment_118793661

It looks like that picture might be a Photoshop. Could have just stuck that lads head on Pikes body for the reveal.

Would that lad even be in uniform filming yet ?

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792094#Comment_118792094

The actor is now pushing 40 and any Vampire Diaries fans who watched it first time around are at least college age by now ... I'd say if you were casting with teen angst in mind you'd be looking in the wrong place!

David Boreanaz started out in Buffy before moving onto police and then military roles.

So I wouldn't read too much into it in isolation.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118793941#Comment_118793941

As I said it's not in isolation. None of the Discovery cast are teenagers too but it doesn't stop the writers making them act like they are. No matter who plays him I hope Kirk is left to some quick cameo. The show doesn't need weighing down with legacy characters any more than it already is.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118793769#Comment_118793769

The series is out in seven weeks so he could be.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118794526#Comment_118794526

His casting is for season 2. Has that started shooting already ?

I know Disco was shooting and airing so it's possible.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118794535#Comment_118794535

Probably not then. It could be a promotional photo, the uniform looks a little loose on him so it might be Mount's costume which would explain the rank (assuming the SNW writers know Kirk didn't go from cadet to captain a la Star Trek 2009).

Here's an uncropped image from TV Insider

pixelburp

I dunno, not like Trek doesn't have previous when it comes to badly fitting uniforms; could just be this one crumples badly when sitting.

I'd put money on this Kirk appearance being a once off, and CBS marketing just blurted out a surprise guest character cos they're anxious about a Kirk era show without Kirk.

AMKC

I have no problem with it if its just a once off and he is where he should be on the Farragut as a lieutenant.

TheValeyard

I like the Trailer. Unsure about the Kirk thing though.

AMKC

Two pictures from the season two set of SNWs.

Taken from this video,

https://youtu.be/YDVqN5dp2rM

Evade

So he is a captain in an ill-fitting uniform... Hope for SNW diminishing.

pixelburp

Ah I'm definitely adopting the policy of not judging til I see it in context.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118796401#Comment_118796401

Isn't that a Noonan Singh he is kissing too.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797693#Comment_118797693

I think it could be yes.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797918#Comment_118797918

I fkn hate prequels.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797981#Comment_118797981

"Khan Noonien Singh? I once dated a girl with a strikingly similar name, small galaxy." Something Kirk will now have to have remarked on during Space Seed.

As a staunch Enterprise defender I don't hate prequels but all these series jammed into the decade preceding TOS is too much.

pixelburp

Kirk snogging a Singh, if played right, could be stupid in the best possible way. If done right. Not like Kirk wasn't a known horn-dog in his youth, kinda fits he might kiss a relative of his arch nemesis.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798299#Comment_118798299

I fking hate Enterprise mostly because it should not have been called Enterprise. Ya I know blaa blaa it's not UFP so that's why it's not in the 1701 lineage but that's blls. It was just a memberberries move as was hiring Sam from Quantum Leap.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798835#Comment_118798835

What you have called it?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798835#Comment_118798835

If only there wasn't a long legacy of naval and space ships being called Enterprise, in real life...

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118826776#Comment_118826776

Pictures of some of which even hang in Archer's quarters.

I always wondered if they had a plan for what NX-07 would gave been called if the series ran long enough.

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118826580#Comment_118826580

I'd have called it the USS Quantum Leap

edit: and Discovery should have been named the USS Progressive

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118826580#Comment_118826580

Anything that wasnt memberberries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118827216#Comment_118827216

Same could be said for calling a ship USS Enterprise NCC-1701D in TNG

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118828181#Comment_118828181

Looking back I agree. But I was about 5 when I first saw TNG so didn't really understand enough to get t angry . Also looking back "The Next Generation" is an awful title.

pixelburp

Enterprise started in 2001, sandwiched between the Insurrection and Nemesis films, the TNG series only finished < 10 year and Trek still very much a mainstay of mainstream telly. I dunno if I'd call the show a play for nostalgia TBH - even if it was "fan service" in other aspects. Trek was still an active, relatively healthy property, even if we were about to hit the twilight of that relevance.

Now, this show is for sure playing into the warm fuzzies of nostalgia; the only question is if its execution is good enough that it doesn't really matter. The casting of Kirk and a descendant of Khan bodes ill, that it'll be so busy trying for that fan masturbation angle it'll forget to tell its own story.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118828465#Comment_118828465

Thing is it will only think it is trying for fan masturbation by dropping names like Disco does. It will probably pss off most fans because they will have no clue about the timeline.

They can't even get simple nostalgia right.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118828356#Comment_118828356

I suppose it depends on what context you are looking at the title in. If it's tgat this was supposed to be a new young crew then yes OK. Buy I think the Next Generation was more aimed at the next generation of trek fans watching it than the actual crew of the show if you get me.

Evade

I'm not even sure Enterprise was really trying to trade on nostalgia, it technically wasn't even called Star Trek until season three.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118828669#Comment_118828669

It just all sounds very 80/90s Saved by the Bell:The New Class.

We are all so used to it now it sounds fine but I wouldn't be calling a show something like that now.

eadrom

Ah, the title was fine at the time. Would be fine now too, I think. It was the next generation of crew, of ship, and of time (~100 years later). Not the most imaginative of title but it did what it says on the tin.

And as Evade points out, 'Enterprise' didn't even have 'Star Trek' in the title until season 3. If anything it went too far in the other direction and didn't really feel connected to Star Trek at all, trying to appeal to some wider audience which never really worked out.

One thing that does stand out for me is how incredibly little any of the original 5 Star Trek series referred back to their predecessors. Aside from first-episode cameos (old-man McCoy in TNG, Picard in DS9, Quark in Voyager), and TNG's second episode Naked Now being a bit of a follow up to Naked Time, there was barely a reference to TOS in any of these. Certainly no descendants of old crew or bit-characters, or previously-unmentioned siblings of Spock. It felt like the production teams were determined to make the shows stand on the own feet, and they did.

Now, everyone is related to someone, or every show has a character we loved 30 years ago. Can't go an episode without mentioning Spock or Data or Picard or the Voyager or whatever. A descendant of bloody Khan for gods sake.

Could have called TNG "Star Trek: More Star Trek" for all it mattered. The show itself made the effort to stand apart.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118829245#Comment_118829245

I agree about the everyone related thing which annoys me. But DS9 did have O'Brien and Kira was written as Ro but scheduling got in the way. Also later had Worf obviously. Tom Paris was supposed to be Locarno but royalties got in the way. But outside Worf they were bit characters in their first show and certainly nothing as annoying as Sisco being Wesley's brother flying about in the U.S.S Spock.

eadrom

Yeah, fair point. I forgot about O'Brien actually. I guess the good writing, acting, and character development got in the way of that being a problem.

Sure maybe the same will be true for the Khan's great-great-great-great granddaughter or whoever she is. But lolz, no it won't.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118829465#Comment_118829465

The first paragraph is the one true gospel. It doesn't even need all those things just some.

I have recently loved Picard, Snowpiercer and Expanse and they all had problems I was willing to overlook because it had enough of the other stuff.

It's why I have no time for the whataboutery from Disco fans.

ilovesmybrick

Yeah, the writing, acting and character development is the big weakness of Discovery. Pity those are the fundamentals of TV!

The whataboutery from Disco fans is quite infuriating. Snowpiercer is actually a good example. The entire story is literally about the end of the human race, which is every season of discovery, and the premise is f**king bonkers, but the characters, even those I'm really growing to dislike (cough Layton) have some sense of growth, forward momentum, and development. And in three seasons I know most of their names, motivations, and behaviours. It's a reasonably solid mid-range sci fi show, though probably not one I will rewatch when it's done.

Discovery has decent visuals. But after four seasons it's still a paint by numbers sci fi show that uses pretty much the same plot devices every season to get to the same ending, every season. There has been no character development to speak of, and you have little to no sense of the universe they inhabit. Snowpierce (and Picard) aren't exactly subtle about their commentary on contemporary events. Snowpiercer is literally on a train traversing the frozen wasteland of humanity, but there is never the sense that something happens because it ticks another progressive box. There is a reason, within the show, for why these things happen, whether be it due to character development or being a fundamental plot point. While it's not subtle, it's also not hamfisted, which is how Discovery does everything. Because of the poor writing, acting, and character development.

pixelburp

Snowpiercer is also a good example of how a few small changes turned a fairly mediocre show into something closer to Must Watch TV. Not wholesale changes, but a switch in the dynamic to push characters in more interesting directions.

The big difference though between the two shows is quite simple: the premise is simply window dressing to pitch an ensemble of clearly-defined characters against each other. Discovery has a premise, and one character, and some set-pieces, and that's it. It talks about its themes - Snowpiercer lives them.

AMKC

I have never heard of Snowpiercer. Is it out long?

ilovesmybrick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118831567#Comment_118831567

Few years, only on season 3 (10 episode seasons). It's based on the film from a few years back and comic before that. If you get over the idea that the last of humanity survive a global ice age by circling the globe on a train you'll be grand! It's a pretty decent mid tier sci fi series. All on Netflix.