Do men need a license to be allowed socialise (MOD NOTE IN OP)

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498019#Comment_118498019

Kathy Sheridan: "Not all men are predators. Not all men are potential rapists or murderers. Most women are lucky to have fine, decent men in their lives."

One rational Kathy and counting...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498519#Comment_118498519

Men are getting sick of it at this stage.

True but it's unlikely to change much. There's a general apathy towards trying to implement social change, especially against an entrenched opposition. Any suggestion of promoting Men's rights is seen as an attack on women's rights, and while feminists claim that they want equality, the truth is that equality was bypassed long ago, towards better rights.

Anyway, this isn't anything new... not really... over the last decade, there have been wide claims about "men" in regards to rape, domestic abuse, child abuse, etc all aimed to show the male gender to be dangerous... this is just more of the same.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498324#Comment_118498324

Ah yes, the priests. They're always good for all our past ills. Takes away personal responsibility for the support of said church from the vast majority of the population who weren't priests. Oh we won't wear the sackcloth for that. We prefer its fit on others. In this current case it's Men(tm) who must wear it and too damned many of them seem happy to slip on the sackcloth for the terrible sin of being the same gender as an evil murderous prick.

And then he goes on to say this: No man was ever sent to a Magdalene laundry. No man was ever locked up in a mother and baby home. Who ran those facilities on a daily basis doing all those things? Nuns. Again they get conveniently left out of the narrative because of the lack of a willie. Growing up in the immediate hangover of waking up from church rule in Ireland I noted that men and women of my parent's generation often held far more overall contempt for the nuns rather than the priests.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498244#Comment_118498244

Another smug male looking for endorsement and a pat on the head for saying the right thing. All men are guilty for Aisling's murder? Pfff...

growleaves

"Every group will use any situation, however tragic, to run with their own narrative."

Yes but not every narrative need be demagogic.

By "demagogic" I mean that it depends on generating emotion to scapegoat a group. A lot of politics (left-wing and right-wing) is now demagogic. There's always an enemy: men (or should that be 'white males'?), Muslims, immigrants etc.

The PC/woke/political liberalism narrative is inherently divisive, dishonest and wrong. Scapegoating men is bad and who benefits from that? Not any ordinary person.

If some other narrative has been crafted to scapegoat immigrants instead we should reject that as well.

whisky_galore

Single sex schools taking a hammering now.

I wonder which single-sex school the 14 year old who stabbed the migrant woman in the neck attended?

Alan Harte was named yesterday as the main torturer of Kevin Lunney

180 previous convictions including serving a couple of years for being found dumping a corpse, and not even prosecuted for the other murder he was up for.

Stop looking at all men. Start looking at why these men are on our streets.

The law industry is heavily responsible for every repeat offender on our streets and is therefore imo heavily responsible for every repeat offence

Start asking the men and women you know who take money to defend these men and their ilk when they will stop enabling this behaviour.

Leave me and the other 99% of men out of it until you do that much.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498244#Comment_118498244

That's vile. It seems that labelling ALL men is perfectly acceptable. Imagine for a second the article was about migrants or women or any other demographic that isn't men. The three easy targets seem to be men, the white race and being heterosexual. All of which can be talked about in a negative light and that seems to be perfectly acceptable. I honestly don't know who's behind this, what the hell is going on at all?

What happened that lady was shocking, it should be simply left at that, she happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and met a psychopath. But seemingly it can't be left at that, different groups are using it for their own agenda (anti men, "toxic masculinity", #allmen etc.) which is sickening.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497573#Comment_118497573

I should have been more clear I suppose. My brother in law is not terminally ill at least that I know of just there marriage has broke up because of something stupid he done but it has to be sorted with the Garda first so the sister does not want to say anymore untill she sees where that goes.

boardlady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484361#Comment_118484361

I take issue with the suggestion that women shouldn't be 'afraid' to go about their business. Unfortunately, we do not live in eutopia and are instead at the mercy of a wide society, environment, and circumstance. I think we should all be 'aware' rather than afraid as we go about our lives. Exercise vigilance, common sense and intuition. Men and women should be 'aware' when walking alone, day or night, that there may be an inherent risk associated. Same as the awareness we should exercise when crossing roads, handling animals or out in extreme weather to name a few. It is about personal responsibility. I do not inherently mistrust men, but I do acknowledge that they are generally the physically superior gender and that means I have to be more aware sometimes. Same goes for the big dog or the lorry approaching as I cross. As someone said earlier, mankind has been murdering each other for centuries and I don't think this will ever change. Men and women have been murdered in Ireland before and will continue to be. We live in the best period for mankind in history and I am sure are murdering each other less than we did in centuries past (barring wars). I will continue to respect the opposite sex as I always have and expect the same in return.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498999#Comment_118498999

To be fair, you probably should extend some caution to other women (as a woman) too. Female on female violence tends to be overshadowed by male on female violence, but the statistics on such cases would warrant some caution.

Everyone is a potential risk regardless of gender. Physical strength is an important factor, but someone with a knife doesn't need to be strong to hurt/kill someone else. That's not to say that we should live in fear, because statistically, the overall risk is low, but common sense would suggest always being careful with strangers or being aware of your surroundings.

boardlady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118486998#Comment_118486998

This is what I was trying to say in my first post actually. But i'm speaking from the other side 😉

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498999#Comment_118498999

I can't agree enough here with probably the most logical and common sense post I have seen on this thread.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498953#Comment_118498953

Instead of drinking Kenko in comfortable suburbia Fergus Finlay should go to the workplaces and offices and factories where he will find little mad women, dosed up on feminist man-hatred going 'men, men, men...' and spreading their poison everywhere. Yes Mr. Finlay, that's how it works.

AdrianG08

Asking women to be more aware is akin to victim shaming in Ireland today.

Absolutely nobody asks to be assaulted or murdered and there can be categorically no condoning these actions under any circumstances. No woman or man should be subjected to it.

But this insistence that we live in a utopia where we can insist on doing whatever we want, how we want and the inherent risks in life should not be something we have to encounter, well in an ideal world that would be fantastic.

None of the above applies to the poor girl in Tullamore, but say my daughter at 17-18 years of age went out and got absolutely blind drunk, got a taxi home herself/walked home on a dark street, id go absolutely mad. I wouldn't Pat her on the back and tell her it's her right to do so.

There are risks in life we cannot ignore, there are predatory characters out there who will be drawn to situations like this, who will prey on someone who leaves themselves vulnerable. Campaigning for all men to "step up" Is a lovely soundbite, but what happens if there are no passers by to step up during the course of an attack?

Advising a young daughter/niece/neighbour to take greater care shouldn't be met with derision, "it's my right, I should be free to walk alone at night after a night out" Etc... That's not reality unfortunately. There will always be rogue predators out there and it's only after the fact that they are outed, by which stage it's too late for a victim.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499374#Comment_118499374

I agree. I can't stand that "victim blaming" shite.

If I cross the road at a pedestrian crossing while the green man is there, it would still be a good idea to keep looking up and down the road to make sure there isn't a car approaching that might break the lights.

It is never a bad idea to be aware of your surroundings and circumstance to mitigate the chances of something bad happening through the fault of another person doing something wrong.

People should take some personal responsibility to ensure their safety at all times. There is no victim blaming in that.

But as you say, sometimes it's unavoidable and in this case, the poor girl couldn't have done anything to stop the crazed evil bastard.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499374#Comment_118499374

Another spot on post

Biggest pain the hoop for me is being labeled a victim blamer when advising in a caring fashion on personal safety and responsibility

And from my experiences, women are well aware of the potential dangers when out and about in situations that place them in vulnerable positions

My wife doesn't have to wait for me to advise. She already knows of the potential risks when out and about in certain situations.

This horsesh1t of we can do what we want and to hell with possible consequences is reckless endangerment. We don't live in a Carlsberg world

It applies to males and females

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118485886#Comment_118485886

Crossing the road is a bad thing to normalise.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499421#Comment_118499421

The interesting thing is that if a woman was to go abroad to a non-western nation, she would usually be aware enough to take care. I've known women coming back from Italy, Spain, America, or further afield such as Asia, where they spoke of the dangers and that they knew to be more careful about who and how they interacted with others. It was expected that there would be some dangers/risks involved, and it wasn't that the threats came from men, but simply the environment.

This isn't a dig at other cultures or immigrants, but the simple truth is that we no longer live in an insular nation. The demographics of Ireland have shifted dramatically, but also the exposure of people to other ideas/beliefs/etc through the internet or exposure to foreign influence, mean that you shouldn't have to go abroad before taking precautions. Although, in all honesty, I believe most women are careful.. and know that nowhere is completely safe.

Allinall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498930#Comment_118498930

They've left me out of it from the start.

I haven't been mentioned once.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499608#Comment_118499608

Because you probably don't eat cornflakes.

alan partridge aha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499421#Comment_118499421

A friend of mine parked his vehicle outside my gate (small back road) for an hour and a half. Left the vehicle unlocked with his wallet in it (not on show).

Rang me next morning to no avail as it transpired that his card had been used. Guards later got culprit for different offences and she admitted she took wallet.

Now, I felt very bad for him especially as it occurred outside my gate. However both his wife and I said you should have locked your vehicle. In no way were we blaming him but his naivety aided this person to commit the crime.

This guy has obviously only been given a platform as someone above wants to push a particular agenda. Even though he's merely serving as the 'useful idiot', it's a clear reminder of the absolute state of the media/politics in this country -- especially over the last two years 🤣

I propose all journalists media messengers and politicians undertake a course in how to do their jobs properly. Badly needed.

Mad_maxx

Posts being deleted here constantly?

JoChervil

I do think some men should change their attitude towards women here. When I came to Ireland I was pinched twice in my buttock. It never happened to me abroad. And no, I couldn't protect myself from it, because first time happened when I was leaving a church! OK, it was an oldish guy, but the second time was done by a guy half my age and from "cool" environment, so such things are still around.

rightmove

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499701#Comment_118499701

this has nothing to do with a murder though

Fred Astaire

Imagine if you are an innocent Muslim, and all of a sudden you are told you are responsible for of all the extremists after an attack.

Being told if you were in a whatsapp group with another Muslim who was displaying extremist tendancies, that you saying 'it's mean to talk about bombing people' - would stop terrorism.

That Muslims make people feel unsafe.

That terrorism amongst Muslims is a problem that Muslims need to fix. That Muslims need to 'do better'.

That Muslims need to shut up and listen to the West to find out how they can improve.

That Muslims need to engage in lessons in order to be allowed to participate in modern society.

Imagine that articles were springing up such as this one (https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40787319.html), saying that it is all Muslims.

White men are just fair fcuking game I guess. Funny how the people engaging in this putrid vermin would be the first to condemn any of the above statements - the hypocracy is off the charts. The level of vile sexism and bigotry that has been allowed to go unchecked in the past week, and has actually been promoted in the media is actually disgusting. Piggybacking off a horrible murder to further agendas and engaging in performative grief for social media likes. Attempting to get a slice of the victimhood action by equating murder to some time someone catcalled them or some other absolute nonsense. Makes me sick.

I saw a post on social media the other day from some woman - talking about how she hoped her one year old son wouldn't grow up to hurt women, but how she owed it to Ashling to acknowledge it as a possibility. Can you imagine your own mother exploiting you on social media for likes, almost comparing you to a murderer just because you are male? I'd give fairly fcuking long odds on that poor fella growing up to have a normal outlook on life.

JoChervil

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499728#Comment_118499728

But it has to do with a title of this thread

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499608#Comment_118499608

You aren't a man?

Or do you think it's acceptable to say it's the fault and responsibility of all Muslims that there are certain Muslim grooming gangs in the UK?

Because I don't.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499701#Comment_118499701

Anecdotally, I've had my bum pinched by a couple of women too. So how is it gender specific?