BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118326149#Comment_118326149

He is only saying what many here have said for weeks but when Farage says it it's suddenly profound

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118325896#Comment_118325896

and people wonder why the left are despised so much, when they come out with arrogant bullshit like that.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327073#Comment_118327073

Its not nice to be called stupid, but you support a man who lies constantly. Do you like being lied to?

You can't actually believe what he says?

Or are you naive enough to think he only lies to everyone else, and you're somehow in that elite group he never lies to?

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118325516#Comment_118325516

Nothing interesting in there, just the usual scaremongering about liberty and freedom being under threat (by covid passports) without any awareness of the loss of life because of the pandemic, while ignoring the actual curbs to British freedoms and liberties from the Tory government, restrictions to the right to vote, the right to travel, the right to protest, while the government is placing itself above the law

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327346#Comment_118327346

I’ll make my own mind up with regards who I do and don’t believe.

some twats believe everything they read in the Sun, Mirror and Guardian and they lie consistently.

whatbi do object to, is being called stupid because I don’t follow the group think on a chat forum in what is essentially a foreign country to the the country in question.

and let’s be honest here, the poster I replied to was just trying to out down Brit’s in general. It’s what he does.

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327383#Comment_118327383

You missed out the erosions of the rights to privacy (snooper's charter etc.) , rights to UK citizenship, rights to remain, etc. all on Boris' watch. ( In 2019, the non-UK-born population was 9.5 million )

https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1438155749214105603

The views of the eighth Justice Secretary appointed in the last ten years.

And they are reviewing the Human Rights Act where reforms will have a devastating impact on the fundamental rights of humanists.

The Government has announced it wants to reform section 3 of the Act to severely curtail the ability of public authorities and the courts to ‘read in’ human rights-compliant interpretations to legislation, where it is possible to do so. This will stop them from being able to address human rights abuses themselves, instead meaning that a change in the law would be required

The North Shropshire election is tomorrow with results due in the early hours predicting ~5am so don't wait up

"According to SkyBet, as of 8pm on December 15.

• Conservatives 4/5
• Liberal Democrats 10/11
• Labour 50/1"

If the Tories win then Boris is golden for a wee bit longer.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327904#Comment_118327904

The margin of the victory is also important. A massive dent in the 23k majority like we have seen in the other by-elections will only add to the squeeky bum feeling on the backbenches.

Johnson was never known for loyalty and it seems his party are starting to play by his new rules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118319992#Comment_118319992

I suspect he will shuffle through this crisis. The rising numbers due to the Omnicron could not have come at a better time for Boris. If you've ever seen the movie Wag the Dog you will know what I mean.

c.p.w.g.w

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293116#Comment_118293116

Patel wouldn't look out of place in racially inclusive nazi party...some of her opinions and suggested policies are proper scary...she's very clever and downright evil

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327621#Comment_118327621

And you're totally entitled to make up your own mind.

People are entitled to their opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts. Boris Johnson has undeniably lied many many times in very easily verifiable ways

If you see irrefutable evidence that something is X, and you still claim that thing is Y, then it is clear that your opinion is not based on evidence or reality, but on what you 'want' to be true

Seathrun66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305726#Comment_118305726

No we didn't. I don't know a single person that did and many of us couldn't see our parents, siblings, nephews, nieces, etc.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118332221#Comment_118332221

"We were all at it" or "both sides do it" is often the only flawed defence in these situations.

Snickers Man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118315819#Comment_118315819

You make it sound like it was Alec Douglas-Home (Lord Home) who was the origin of that expression. It was actually Arthur Balfour who was the subject of some jealousy and derision after he had been appointed to the Cabinet by his uncle Lord Salisbury, formerly Robert Cecil.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118332548#Comment_118332548

That was my point.

Kermit.de.frog

Who's this lad who around with big screen on the back of the truck?

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1471125380228653060

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118333552#Comment_118333552

'Led By Donkeys' are a group that sprung up to combat Brexit, they are funded by donations, and they highlight blatant falsehoods by the Tory party by purchasing billboard and advertising space to publicise quotes from Brexiteers and Tories that are blatantly false.

This group would be wholly unnecessary if the UK media did their job and held the Tory politicians to account.

francois

After the loss tonight, he's definitely toast.

Shao Kahn

Change for the sake of change, is very often a more powerful motivator in society than any (apparent) strongly held views on individuals. It's one of the main reasons Boris got the job in the first place, and it will likely be one of the main reasons if he gets booted out.

The Christmas party fiasco is a good example of this, a very obvious red herring.

People, of course, don't like to admit this to themselves. We don't like to acknowledge that we are potentially this fickle or that our rationale for big decisions could be this weak or superficial. But sadly, it is observably true of human nature.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327621#Comment_118327621

What group think? Its a verifiable fact he was fired from two jobs for lying, his old bosses have given multiple interviews about him lying and while Mayor of London an MP and then PM he has a proveable record of consistently lying again and again. He even was found to have lied to the Queen by the highest court in the land. This isn't a debate that you can have an opinion on the man is a compulsive liar.

Also nice to see you running to your usual hiding spot where you play the victim and complain about how foreigners are discussing and criticising the UK and how it shouldnt be allowed.

breezy1985

Wow that was some battering yesterday. From 23k+ to 6k- and in a seat that has been Tory for almost 120 years. Judging by the comments from the party it's beyond spin

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118335557#Comment_118335557

What is most shocking about the result is that 12,032 voters are so ill-informed that they still think that the Tories are worthy of their vote.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118335195#Comment_118335195

You think such a large percentage of the voting population of that area just decided "Meh, I might just vote for the Lib Dems, something a bit different" and that none of the recent issues with the Conservatives and Boris had any impact whatsoever?

Really? "Change for the sake of change"? Come on.... Such a swing in votes can almost completely be attributed to the recent Covid/Conservative scandals.

Thinkingaboutit

Boris Ali has set a new record of calamity, losing a seat not even threatened in the depths of the Major era, allowing Chris Whitty to lead them around by the nose, something that angers Tory MPs no end, but he's fortunate in having Keir Starmer as an opponent, someone who falls on his face before open goals with the goalie on the other side of the pitch.

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118335195#Comment_118335195

Yet the Tories have been in power the vast majority of the time and only recently got a a big majority after 9 years in power. So it seems 'change for change sake' is a rather infrequent occurrence and therefore shouldn't simply be treated as something that happens.

And just like the 'red wall' seats, the seat is not simply a seat. It is a guaranteed Tory seat. Has been voted Tory since 1832. So despite all the things that have happened throughout that time it has never been a place where people 'change for change sake'.

This is an earthquake in terms of electoral results. And what makes it even more galling is that it was Johnson that led to the By-Election being called in the 1st place by trying to change the rules to get his mate off the hook. He swung the entire party behind him, then u-turned and caused all of this.

This result is 100% on Johnson.

Now, since it is a by-election the risk to voting for other than a Tory, given they already have a massive majority is negligible, and that no doubt played a role is giving many voters the freedom to transfer their vote, so one shouldn't read this to mean that the Tories are done for. But, coupled with the recent opinion polls, the continued Covid issues, inflation, tax rises and the drip drip of Brexit bad news, certainly means that the Tories are far less secure than they should be given they were given an 80 seat majority at the end of 2019.

Shao Kahn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118335782#Comment_118335782

I'm not saying those things have zero effect or influence.

But what I'm saying, is that many people underestimate the power of people's motivation for change of any kind. You see this behavior across every single area and facet of society - why would our politics be exempt from the same attitudes?

There is an increasing percentage of people in society, who get bored very quickly of looking at the same face or the same personality types. So they crave change. Sometimes that change has a logical or rational angle to it. Sometimes it has very little to do with logic, and is simply change for the sake of change.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118335855#Comment_118335855

Well this time it had a very logical reason. Also if there is a logical reason for the change then it is no longer "change for the sake of change" it is change for the logical reason

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118335855#Comment_118335855

But you are saying that none of the obvious issues really played a part and instead voters, the same voters that recently (2019) gave the Tories a massive vote, completely out of character and history simply decided to vote for LibDems for no reason except they were a little bored!

Given the multiple issues, including why the bi-election itself was needed, it would seem that voters very much made a logical decision.

Shao Kahn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118335869#Comment_118335869

Yes, but far too many people focus on parties when assessing the mood of joe and jane public.

When in fact, many of the punters on the street (much of whom are not politically engaged) tend to focus on personalities rather than parties.

We're living in populist times. Most people find the actual mechanisms of our political system, to be mind numbingly boring, even if they might lean one way or the other politically.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118335643#Comment_118335643

It shows how woeful and unelectable the Labour party remain that this shi7show is still likely to be the next Govt.

The electorate don't have to like the Tories just view Labour as worse or as it is now in working class communities, seen as not even an option for most.

That's all on Labour.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118335855#Comment_118335855

This was a large number of Tory life long voters going Lib Dem to kick Johnson hard.

It's bad enough that he is alienating the wider electorate but when your own base are angry, it's over.

And this is the last seat the Tories could ever imagine losing.