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BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,353 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977

    Levelling up is an old Thatcher saying from the 1970s and we all saw how well Thatcher helped the more disadvantaged areas of the UK during her time as PM..

    Johnson and the Tories like to issue 'buzzwords' but you always judge politicians based on their actions and the Tories have slashed 15 billion for the budgets of local councils over past decade

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,696 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha

    Conservatives have proven time and again that **** down criticism is much more important to them than the welfare of the British people. Levelling up is and always was a scam. At best, it will partly mitigate a small fraction of the devastation the Tories have wrought on this country.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34

  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    you mean like attracting companies like Nissan to Sunderland, Toyota to Derby, Sony and Panasonic to South Wales?

    Hell, I lost my job in the late 80s because there were government grants to move to Mid Lothian which my company took advantage of

    Most of the people who criticise thatcher weren't even a stir in their fathers groin when she was in power.

  • Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭O'Neill

    Actually I think you'll find some Tories themselves hating Johnson also, it's not just the 'hard left.'

  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    I'm guessing it wasn't Tory backbenchers who sent me a link to petition to call for the investigation of the Metropolitan police, for facilitating the party at 10 Downing street.

    That was probably another just angry leftie.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,417 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia

    'Levelling up' is not what people want. 'Levelling up' is what you do in a video game by grinding out experience

    What people want is investment in infrastructure and the opportunities to be able to make positive life choices

    The EU have poured billions into regional development and targeted the development at the areas that needed it the most. The EU knows that investing in the less developed parts of the EU will have long term benefits. The Tories don't have this foresight, they see the exchequer as their own slush fund that they can use to buy votes and funnel money to donors and croneys

  • Registered Users Posts: 22,417 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia

    Johnson has to get through PMQs this week which will be an absolute sh1tshow for him, or else he may try to avoid it, and be called out for the coward that he is.

    He has a byelection the day after where an extremely safe Tory seat is in play. Will tory voters stay at home out of anger at Johnson? Maybe they will. Lib Dems are polling ahead of the Tories according to some polls, Losing that seat could result in a full scale revolt from MPs worried about their own seats with Johnson at the helm

    He is also struggling really badly getting his 'plan b' through parliament with dozens of his own party voting against it, and other MPs refusing to say that they have confidence in him

    He has the booster program as political cover, but the problem is, anything that focuses on Covid restrictions will remind the public that he is an utter hypocrite and has lied repeatedly about those christmas parties

  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,747 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid

    Bojo is in deep trouble at this stage - and rightly so.

    Johnson has been the most inept, incompetent, inarticulate Prime Minister the UK has seen for a long, long time. He has had everything in his life handed to him on a silver platter and he still manages to royally f*ck things up.

    Actually, the fact that he's not had to work his arse off for years and years to get where he is today is probably the reason why he's completely incompetent at the top job. As the saying goes "easy come, easy go."

    The Conservatives in the UK do not care one whit about the well-being of the country or the economy - and certainly not those tossed on the scrap heap of deprivation and welfare dependency in regions decimated by economic restructuring who were sold a pack of lies about Brexit.

    All they care about is feathering their own nests and protecting their very wealthy donors and cronies who pushed for Brexit to ensure that the City of London remains a major conduit of global money laundering without any EU scrutiny.

    The Tories aren't called the Nasty Party for nothing.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    Levelling up is not what the hard left want, because without poor under privilaged people relying on handouts, the champagne socialists at the top don't have a support base.

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,696 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha

    I don't think the by-election is terribly relevant. Voters aren't choosing the next government so who wins isn't all that important and this is likely to prove a nominal benefit to the Lib Dems.

    What's going to make or break him is Christmas. His indulging of his own desires while the rest of us make sacrifices is a hideous look. If we get a repeat of last year's fiasco on top of the footage of them making fun of us, that's him done. David Cameron managed to detoxify the party to some degree and Johnson has singularly undone that in a few months.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    there is a reason why the pro remain vote in London was stronger than anywhere else in the UK and that is because the City of London, in general, did not want to leave the EU.

  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    Sadly a lot of people in England see Boris as Mr Brexit and believe the conservatives are world leaders in vaccine roll out. That’s enough for their continued support.

    I don’t think they will lose this by election either which will be a boost for him under the circumstances. He will be ousted eventually but has a while to go yet imo.

  • Registered Users Posts: 25,920 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985

    I wouldn't even bother with this lad in fairness. He will say anything to back up "his side" including defending Anne Widdecombes homophobia, comparing Rashford to paedophiles and defending Farage's belief that refugees are not people

  • Registered Users Posts: 25,920 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985

    The City of London would be fairly far back in the minds of most people living in London. It's a reason but there would be many more above it

  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 91,512 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight

    There's other tricks too to defund regions Wales is subsidising HS2 even though though at it's closest Crewe is 50km from North Wales or an hour by public transport.

    Westminster Government has classified the project as benefitting England and Wales, while Scotland and Northern Ireland both receive full Barnett payments for HS2. ... it means Wales won’t receive full Barnett consequential payments and will lose out on £5 billion of funding.

    Boris has a majority of 80* and who controls the allocation of the safe seats ?

    *And could still buy DUP votes. Or offer independence to Scotland. And there's no election due for years.

    A week is a long time in politics. I think it's very unlikely but UK politics is so cynical that I wouldn't be surprised if we find out years later that the birth was brought forward.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,611 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42

    Getting rich people richer is not what the Tories want, as if they make people more money then they lose their support base!

    What utter nonsense. If the 'left' raise people up then those people will vote for the people that helped them.

  • Registered Users Posts: 22,417 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia

    The hard left may or may not rely on a downtrodden underclass as their political base, but that's irrelevant because there basically is no hard left in UK politics at the moment, regardless of how often you keep using those words

    The Socialist party have zero MPs and only fielded 2 candidates in the last general election

    There are a number of centre left parties in the UK, and a few extremely right wing parties but no hard left parties have any electoral success or political support

  • Registered Users Posts: 22,417 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia

    The By-election won't affect the makeup of the parliament by much, but if a Tory safe seat is lost because of Johnson, then his only reason d'etre is lost.

    The Tories only accept Johnson's shenanigans because he wins elections. As soon as this stops being true, his days are numbered

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,696 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha

    There's the Greens but the electoral system debilitates any party outside the big two.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34

  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    nah, the hard left just run on being angry little lefties and hating people who got off their arses and made something of their lives

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    The British public may have firmly rejected Corbyn and his Trotskyites, but as his mate once said, "They haven't gone away you know".

    If they had, Angela Raynor would not be deputy leader and shouting her gob off on national TV every two minutes.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,611 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭KildareP

    His downfall will be slow, much like Brexit, a death by a thousand cuts.

    He's Mr Brexit - he got Brexit done - yet himself and Frost have been loudly calling to renegotiate entire sections of the deal. Why do you have to renegotiate something you got done so soon? Maybe he hasn't gotten Brexit done after all? Maybe he did an absolutely diabolical job at it?

    Then there's the world beating vaccine rollout - what's it all for at the end of the day? Many of their European neighbours have caught up or overtaken the UK in vaccination uptake. Yet, where has it gotten them? Into yet another lockdown just like most of it's neighbours.

    OK, so they opened first and stayed open longest during the Summer - yet their economy showed growth that is in fractions of percent, so did it actually really benefit them at all?

    Then start to look at his personal adherence and the adherence of some of his party colleague to the very rules they brought in to try and curb Covid - holding parties and mass gatherings, wandering around hospitals shaking hands, sitting in crowded places without a mask nor being socially distant.

    He claimed he had no idea where his flat refurb was funded from, yet was found to have been in very clear communication with a supposed fund organiser...

    Then there's the wider Tory sleaze accusations...

    Eventually it will all start to pile up and people will begin questioning whether he is that lovable rogue who tells a few fibs here and there or maybe he's actually an out and out lying charlatan.

  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,237 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy

    Of course he's not toast. People don't care enough except to have a whine of social media before going back to watching season two of whatever it is they are watching.

  • Registered Users Posts: 605 ✭✭✭TheWonderLlama

    Media: "Oh, this will do for Boris. Let's see him whiffle his way out of this."

    Boris whiffles his way out of the latest mess with ease.

    Media: "Ah well, nevertheless."

    Repeat ad nauseum.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2

    It's mad how some people can't trace the direct line between Thatcher's grip on the Tory movement*, the deliberate managed decline of vast swathes of the country and the Brexit calamity.

    *I'm surprised she's not embalmed in and put on display on whatever the Tory equivalent of the Kremlin walls are such is the feverish adherence to her ideology in some quarters.

  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    Precisely this.

    It will blow over once the Omicron wave has subsided and society fully re-opens.

    That political slab of concrete, Keir Starmer, might groan about it for a couple of weeks, but eventually it will lose steam.

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,696 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha

    When I was a callow young man living in Manchester at the time of her death, I was a bit shocked about people dancing on the streets, celebrating her death. In hindsight, I'm surprised that said celebrations were so muted after what she did to most of this country.

    That said, I will give credit where credit is due. She completely transformed her party and pushed through a radical agenda against great difficulty. Johnson has no interest in anything except writing atrocious books and producing illegitimate children. He hasn't a shred of virtue whatsoever. I can see why people admire Thatcher. In some ways at least, she was the Iron lady. Johnson's just a syphilitic skillet.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34

  • Registered Users Posts: 25,370 ✭✭✭✭Strumms

    Leadership comes from the top, it’s about setting standards and examples, that you will live up to, not demanding others do something that you are not prepared to do yourself .. it’s about possessing good judgement to do the right thing...setting EXAMPLES.

    Boris... setting low standards and failing to meet them...

    He’s a complete throwback to the Tories of the ‘80’s and ‘90’s...

    not in a good way.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,701 ✭✭✭✭

    The UK was a significant net contributer to the EU budget.

    What you are really saying is the EU gave back to the UK some of the money given to them by the UK exchequer.

    How generous.