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Why is Dublin such a shιtty city?

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,713 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    In fairness, I've yet to see a Deliveroo drivers' map of no go areas in London as they have for Dublin. I'm characterising the city based on my time in the city centre as well as my time in the northside of it. I'm not saying that the place has no nice areas or other positive features, just that it seems rougher than most capitals I've been to accounting for differing expectations.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,210 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    That's because some of the poorest areas are in the city centre that have intergenerational problems of all kind. All of this exists in London on an even worse scale (child poverty is an issue there, look at the stats for Tower Hamlets), but you don't see any of this when you're walking around Mayfair.

    So basically all of these threads on how awful Dublin is are just about how awful a certain class of Irish people are, and how awful addicts are - things like traffic and public transport and poor planning are an Irish problem, not a Dublin problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Especially in the city centre. Why have such problem people/families living near/in the centre?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭OEP


    That's a fair enough comment. They're not very visible in much of the south side of Dublin though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness



    I am from Cork and lived in Cork City for many years. I will say that the centre was improved dramatically in the past 10 years. I also lived in Dublin for a few years. I think you might have got the wrong end of the stick- I like Dublin and said so earlier. Of course it was all the usual problems good, bad and indifferent.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Maybe "Dublin city centre" should be specified, as that's what people seem to be referring to when they call it a kip. I agree to an extent. Although Dublin 2 and 4 aren't kips, but 1 and 3 and 8 can be a bit yikes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 gtd58


    Fully agree with this..

    There are beautiful capital cities where dropping chewing gum will cost you €1500 and others where dealing drugs of any kind can see you get the death penalty. I have contemp for brutal authoritarianism, but every other city I have lived in or visited has much, much better policing and maintenance in their centres. They are safer to walk through and cleaner with more obviously thoughtful design. Particularly beautiful in my opinion are those that weren't leveled in WW2, Gamla Stan in Stockholm for example, or Amsterdam...

    Where there are people there will be social problems, but we can and should do better, not just in Dublin, but in all our cities and towns.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭OEP


    Dublin didn't have a trend of throwing acid in people's faces either, or doesn't have a massive knife problem. We could go on about both places I guess



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭HBC08


    I think that's a fair point and Dublin reminds me of some of the grimer provincial cities in the Midlands and North of England.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,713 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You've moved the goalposts a bit here. I never said Dublin was awful. It should be ok to highlight its issues without being accused of running the place down. I've only ever been honest in sharing my own experience and, from reading this site it seems like the city's issues have not improved. The comparison with Tower Hamlets is a bit ridiculous. There's a difference between an outer area and the city centre.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,924 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Jaysis its like Joe Duffy in here


    you can walk down the boardwalks 24/7 and no-one will hassle you , same for OCS or Grafton st. worse that'll happen is someone will tap you for change


    fk sake



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,271 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    It isn't. Some parts are great, some parts aren't great. But overall it's more good than bad.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,210 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I was just making the point that London has as bad or worse problems, just we air our dirty laundry in some central parts, and even then it's a very safe city



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,713 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Ah yeah. I'd rather be working class in Dublin than working class in most US cities in fairness and they're the wealthiest country in the world. Shame I've never lived in any of the nicer areas that have been mentioned. I might have a different opinion then.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 986 ✭✭✭Prominent_Dawg


    There not really places you go to as a tourist though



  • Posts: 13,688 Olivia Easy Circle


    It was in the context of countries having socialist or conservative governments.



  • Registered Users Posts: 888 ✭✭✭Drummerboy2


    One of the biggest issues with Dublin city centre, is that addicts from all over Dublin are corralled into the North Inner City, which is very near O'Connell Street. Outlying areas won't treat any troublesome addicts, this needs to be rectified. The authorities seem to accept this. If they sort out this problem, it would alleviate some of the issues the OP has. Personally, I love Dublin city.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Dublin is medium size town to London. The two can't really be compared,give it some time,the cultural problems that arise in the UK usually arise here about 20 years later.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,713 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think my main issue with the place is how absurd property prices are. My mate just bought a nice place in a nice part of Liverpool by the beach for about 40% of what another friend paid for a place in Wicklow that'd be about the same size. It really does prevent me ever wanting to live there again.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It makes sense that London feels safer - it's several times bigger, so problems are more spread out. But there are also less hassles in the city centre.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As an occasional visitor from the North, I don't think Dublin centres that bad. I usually stay clear of the Talbot Street / Henry Street area and it's quite nice otherwise. In that way it's no different to London (I've had the misfortune to stay on the Isle Of Dogs) or Paris, where the central arrondissements are great but don't get out of the train around Gare du Nord, for instance. I would agree that driving round the M50 can be difficult, especially when towing, no quarter asked and none given.



  • Posts: 0 Bailey Witty Doe


    The hugely problematic party is north inner city, which you often have to traverse if you are getting train or bus, or LUAS and Dublin Airport. It is hugely uncomfortable at best and sometimes scary. It’s the first part of inner Dublin that tourists see unless they come through Port Tunnel. I sometimes feel that a certain reluctance to build any underground metro in a Dublin is because of political fear of coralling anti-social types there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    Driving and parking are a bloody nightmare alright. Sometimes I get the train up just to avoid the hassle, but then the amount of times I've been stuck waiting on a delayed train trying to get back to Maynooth.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭LawBoy2018


    It's littered with ghouls. The heroin addicts roaming the streets make things x10 worse imo, especially around Heuston Station.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    I was in Cork twice in my life, the second time just this summer, and I thought to myself I would love to live there, such a nice place and time had.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    Scumbags and junkies generally cannot afford to live in the city without our support.

    If we want them gone then we have to stop supporting them to live in the city and instead carrot and stick them out far away.

    Give the accommodation to people who dont commit crimes, and/or have the means to earn the right to the best locations in the country.

    We're shooting ourselves in the foot.

    (as are the addicts, but in a different way)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Dublin is grand. Every city has bad areas. Every forum has joke posters.



  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭katherineconlan


    Really. Have you been to the CBD's of London, New York, or Los Angeles? They look far better than anything in Dublin.

    The only parts of Dublin that resemble Manhattan or Westminster are in the south side which is quite unusual for a first world city.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yup, it's grand. Plenty to do and quite safe. Much safer than London, NY or LA. And I can walk around and see a pub or a wall that's existed longer than any of the latter two.



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