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Why is Dublin such a shιtty city?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    A Jaysus. Is it that time of year again?

    Dublin is no better or worse than most other cities. The issue with Dublin as I see it is that the city centre is very cramped. You can barely walk on the footpath around College Green it gets so busy. That is largely due to Dubin's Viking origins. Compared to a lot of other cities, Dublin is old. Also it didnt suffer any extensive war damage so there has never been the need to rebuild from stratch like say, most German cities.

    I live in England now. If you think Dublin is bad then visit some of the lesser known cities over here. Then you will discover the true meaning of the words dire/grim/dump.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,773 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    I lived in Dublin for 8 years and I have to say, I hated the place. I worked with a lot of country people (non-Dubs) and everyone of them moved back down the country eventually. I liked Dublin people, no nasty side to them. Not as friendly as Culchies though. It's just that the place had no soul. Hard to describe. A walk tru inner city Dublin would hardly inspire you. Most then in the well-off areas, look down their noses at the poorer areas.

    It drove me nuts that nobody gave a damn about all these young drug addicts. They'd just literally walk over them in O'Connell street. I'm no socialist, far from it but a little help would go a long way there.

    After I left Dublin by the way, I got a call from an ex-work colleague to say that A French guy I worked with was badly beaten up on Gratfon Street. He had some friends over from France for an international rugby match and was talking in French with them at the time. He was well settled in Ireland with an Irish wife at the time. Fierce nice guy.

    Post edited by patsy_mccabe on

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,470 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    I don't mind you calling it a dump at all, it's the thinking of Cork and Galway being better that's laughable. I do like those places though.

    You haven't put forward any facts mate, unlike the things I mentioned, such as net migration and property prices.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    I'm from Cork and love the place but there is no way I would put it above Dublin on any metric.

    Dublin is a European city. IMO Cork is a provincial 'city'. With the greatest respect to Galway, but it is nothing more than a decent provincial town.



  • Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭sergioaguero


    agree with all of that 100%, the city center is a joke, junkies and dealers everywhere and not a cop in sight most of the time.. try walking down the boardwalk in the evening time and you would probably get yourself a punch in the face



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,577 ✭✭✭✭Riesen_Meal


    Been a few months since a good Dublin bashing thread, did we not have a big one during the summer...


    Always love sequels... 🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,470 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    I'm a Dub but I love Cork, my wife is from near Cork city and it's a great spot. It has issues same as Dublin but you would have to be thin skinned to write off a city because there's some anti social stuff that goes on sometimes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭Level 42


    Rip off central with a high number of junkies walking around like zombies



  • Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭sergioaguero


    sometimes? its a daily thing up there, just go to the jervis luas stop and its a constant thing, i always say surely the cops could have a presence just at this stop alone?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 gtd58


    Read through any thread where there is a genuine and appropriate criticism of anything Irish and you will see the same phenomenon; a reflexive and defensive shilling attacking the op...

    Our Catholic primary school system has removed the ability to think critically and replaced it with this reflex in my opinion...

    Compared to any other developed country of similar wealth we are inexplicably lacking in many quite basic areas, everything pertaining to driving as one obvious example.

    I saw a time lapse map of Europe showing political orientation from left to right over the last 80 years; Ireland remained a Conservative blue throughout, the only European country to do so. Why is this the case?


    And before anyone reflexively tells me to head off to one of these better places; I have been here for 2000 years and I hope my descendants will be here at least another 2000.. I see no reason MY country should be so lacking when what is required most to affect improvement is a change in attitude - starting crucially with the attitudes and ideas we instill in the earliest school years.



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  • You’ve been here 2000 years? And you just watched it happen?


    shame on you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,449 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Whole different argument but I don't think ireland could be called a conservative country in the the last 10-15 years.

    To try to tie it back into the thread and focus on one aspect,a lot of the feral scum in Dublin would be dealt with differently in a conservative country.

    Ps,impressive you've been there for 2000 years,I'd deffo have moved by now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,960 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    Dublin can be Heaven, with coffee at 11, and a stroll round Stephan's Green.

    Cmon all together now



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,708 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It was the first city I'd lived in when I was there so I didn't really know what to make of it. Having lived in other places, I think it's a bit scummy and run down. I did have some encounters with youths which were quite unpleasant but they didn't attack me at least. The infrastructure of the place is dismal but it's not entirely the city's fault IMO, mainly due to reasons already presented by Wibbs. The city definitely has its own unique character but I can't see myself going back unless it's to visit a friend I have there. I lived near Hanlon's Corner at the end of the Navan Road if that explains anything.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,708 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The difference is that Dublin is Ireland's capital. It's well known why immigrants to the UK aren't heading to Boston, Sunderland or Stoke-on-Trent.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭katherineconlan


    I lived in the States when I was a kid (Georgia, California) and have travelled to a few European cities. I agree with the OP in the sense that Dublin as a first world capital is **** compared to other European cities. But compared to American cities, I'd take Dublin anyday.

    Places like New York and Los Angeles are very beautiful in the CBD, but when you go to the bad areas, they are absolutely horrendous. The level of poverty in poor parts of L.A. makes one think that they're in a third world nation. I've never seen anything comparable in Dublin. Even in the bad parts of North Dublin.

    Dublin could definitely do better but it's good to have perspective.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    I agree in that sense- the north side O'Connell Street/Parnell Square etc is pretty nasty. If you are a tourist heading back to the airport you are also subject to Dorset Street which is pretty grim.

    I think another differnece with Dublin and other capitals is that the centre is too close to some very **** areas hence the druggies etc are readily in view. In a lot of other capitals I can think of the undiserables are further out of the centre.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Doesn't negate what I said. To state Dublin in its entirety is a sh1thole is stupid.

    And those are just some areas - then there are all the ones that aren't posh but are in the middle and don't have problems.

    No denying the policing problem in the city centre though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    I hear what you are saying and it may seem like a poor excuse but I spend quite a lot of time in Germany and in German cities (ok maybe an extreme example) and pretty much all of them had the centres levelled (Berlin, Hamburg, Frankfurt, Dresden etc etc). All rebuilt from stratch- now admitedly the blank canvas was perhaps there already.

    Ok fine...it's all the fault of the "planners".



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Maybe we should have invited Hitler to do some 'reconstruction'?

    I get what the OPis saying about the inner city decay but it does have some hidden good points. You might need a 'tame Dub' to show you about. Have you tried Cork?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭OEP


    Probably does explain it somewhat. The north inner city is not nice, and as other's have mentioned, one of the big problems with Dublin is that a lot of the **** areas are close to the center - unlike in other cities. If you lived in Rathmines, Ranelagh, Clonskeagh, Dundrum... you'd have had a different experience.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭OEP


    There have been 28 teenagers killed in London so far this year - and that's a capital city



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,182 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I really think it's mad how people detest the addicts in town so much. Products of all kinds of failures within the state and families or lack of families.

    They are mostly harmless and just living an absolutely miserable life and people just hurl abuse at them online all the time.

    I had a heroin addict asking me for money in Killarney last year by the way, addiction isn't exclusive to Dublin, what you see in Dublin is just a reflection of the whole country on a larger scale.

    e.g. terrible public transport, awful traffic, ugly buildings and poor planning - these are nationwide problems, Galway is probably the worst planned place I've ever been, and the traffic is shocking.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,708 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Doesn't make the place a dump. I've lived here for a bit longer than I lived in Dublin and I feel much, much safer here. A lot less scumbags around IME.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 gtd58


    Ha ha, yes.. you have (probably unwittingly) helped confirm my point.

    I have found that to catalyse change in Ireland it is better to communicate with concerned organisations outside the country. Communicating with those responsible in the country will lead to you being put on a Christmas card list at best...



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 gtd58





  • Posts: 0 Bailey Witty Doe


    As Joe Duffy would say, Dublin is indeed an unadulterated kip. Like OP I’ve been in many European capitals and none worse than Dublin in terms of scumminess. It really does reflect badly on “social engineering” through the decades that generations of the super-uneducated to dominate the street life of the core of our capital. I’m not sure exactly what lies behind it, but it has surely got to be connected with our educational system which sees substantial numbers through to third level but fails others so extremely badly that they end up being extremely anti-social. All cities have their drug problems, but in Dublin it seems to utterly dominate the surface.

    In a previous life I worked in an area where I saw positive results from adult education. I saw where a lot of people with literacy problems had fallen by the wayside and when these were remedied great strides were made and these same people were able to subsequently support their own children to achieve. That’s why I believe our education system is quite flawed in the places it fails, it does so badly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,182 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I've lived in both, London is my favourite place in the world but the part of Camberwell I lived in was dodgy af sometimes. Stabbings and all sorts going on outside regularly, all kinds of loonies on the streets.

    These things are part and parcel with most cities though, sometimes can get a bit hairy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭OEP


    You asked about safety in Dublin though. You also lived in the north inner city, where there is a high concentration of scumbags. That's like using Lewisham or Tottenham as an example of what life is like in London. Wander into certain parts of London and the place is a kip too. (I love London by the way, but you're using a not that nice part of Dublin to characterise the city.

    And I am aware of Dublin's issues, it does have issues with scumbags running around and junkies in the city centre, but I don't think they're all that different to many other cities. I think the junkies in the city centre is the big thing that stands out about Dublin over other cities.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,708 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    While every city has its rough patches, I find that Dublin's social problems and scummy behaviour seem to be much more visible, even in the city centre.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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