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Why is Dublin such a shιtty city?



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace

    Have you been to Washington D.C. ?

    You know the capital of the "free world".

    You should check it out. You'll be crying for a kebab and a grope from some gamey little thing from The Liberties as opposed to a blade in the liver or a bullet for your trainers.

  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace

    Don't go to Cairo, Athens, Tangiers, Naples, Las Vegas, Mumbai, Paris, San Francisco, Miami, Rio, Cape Town, on your week away. You'll be yearning for a loudmouthed taxi driver and a kebab from Zaytoon.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad

    What's a legit beggar? A homeless person ? Is there legit beggars in London or Paris, covid is not helping, young lads used to go down a lane , now they just piss against the nearest building. Every city has litter, is the council doing enough or are just Irish people just lazy, dropping cans on the street. I read los Angeles America some parts of new York are being taken over by homeless camps tents on the streets there's dozens of tents next to million dollar apartments I hear other city's you can't walk 20 yards after 8pm without being offered drugs in Las Vegas men ask you on the street you would you like to meet an escort prostitute here's a brochure

    I think the city council cannot refuse a shop opening on occonell Street fast food joints can pay the rent If I met a tourist I'd say stay away from the city centre apart from grafton Street

    There's at least 5 types of Dublin accent posh dart middle class working class etc most tourists go to temple bar or the Guinness hop store i doubt they hang around the gpo dublin is a big city rathmines is totally different from Dorset Street yes the city centre does not look great I don't know what the solution is

    Maybe start providing housing for more homeless people I don't think there's a legit beggar in dublin no one is starving

    There's plenty of soup kitchens every day at the gpo free food for anyone that needs it

    Some people will say dublin was worse in the 80s full of derelict buildings it was not a rich city it has gentrified alot in the last 20 years

    Look on YouTube dublin 1980s

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭kowloonkev

    I blame Ryanair. They give fools the chance to fly off for a short weekend to European cities and they come back after a day and a half thinking they are cultured and know it all. The fact is the OP hasn't a scooby doo about anywhere except Dublin. He wouldn't have a notion of the problems in all the cities where he spent 36 hours.

    Dublin is very popular with similar thinking foreign knobheads who come for a stag weekend and think it's the bees knees.

  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]

    Had to do a conference thing there a few years ago. What an unmerciful kip! Crazy, in your face, rich/poor divide. And the Five Guys was diabolical. Couldn't wait to get out.

    To the poster that mentioned Mexico City, despite the rich/poor divide, at least when I was there (early-mid 00s) Mexico City wasn't that bad once you knew where to go. But I am biased.. did you ever arrive in a city and feel at home right away? D.F. was that for me for some inexplicable reason.

    I will reserve judgment on Dublin until weather modification devices are widespread and commonplace.. everything feels different in the sunshine...

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭HBC08

    I get what you're saying in a way.I know the exact people you're talking about.

    I lived more of my adult life outside of Ireland than in it but even if I hadn't I'd see that Dublin is a kip.

    It has some good points but overall its an embarrassment of a capital city.Any time I've had friends from abroad and had to meet them in Dublin I'd bring them out to get p1ssed and hope for the best.This worked in most cases and they'd think its a good party city.

    Any time I had friends travelling to Ireland and I wasn't there I'd tell them get out of Dublin as soon as you land and hit for proper parts of Ireland.Cork or Galway if they're looking for a bit of buzz,Mayo,Clare or Donegal if they want the traditional experience.

    I realise that if I was from Dublin I'd feel a need to defend it/emphasise the positives etc but most irish people whether they admit it or not know on balance its a sh1tehole that's not representative of the country of Ireland.The fact is was a bigger kip in the 80s doesn't really come into it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,359 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns

    I'm living out of Dublin 6 years, and not from Dublin originally. But have lived in a few other capital cities and visited a lot of them.

    Dublin has bad elements, but not even close to being as bad a half the cities around even the ones you mentioned. Manager yourself and where and what you are doing and 99.999% of time you'll have no issues in Dublin, and it's not ugly and yes I have brought people on the open bus tour, and it's great.

    Travel a bit more op, see some other cities, live somewhere else for a while and get some real perspective

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,359 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns

    I will agree on one item. Anyone wearing cotton tracksuit bottoms and white socks stuck into trainers should be automatically banned from the city centre. :)

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭irelandrover

    I'm not from Dublin and I don't currently live in Ireland. But there is loads to do in Dublin besides drinking. Its not my favourite city ever but its far from the worst. Any colleagues i have that visited Dublin loved it.

    There's parts I wouldn't walk alone at night time but there's parts of some European cities i wouldn't go into during the day in riot gear. What those other cities do is push their problem areas to the outskirts whereas Dublin seems to focus it in the area around O Connell street.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭HBC08

    Yes,I think that's a better idea than watching junkies fighting on o connell Street and on the river walk.Its just one aspect that can't really be solved but other cities do a better job of hiding it and making their main thoroughfares safer/nicer/more attractive.

    The fact that they can't even begin to deal with this basic and common issue adds to the consensus that its a kip.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,931 ✭✭✭✭listermint

    I've never once seen anyone refused directions by anyone ever anywhere in this country. I used to drive for a living servicing stuff nationwide before Google maps was a thing. You'd get help anywhere whether it was ballymun or ballinasloe. Why would you make up such abject nonsense. What's the point...

  • Registered Users Posts: 33,931 ✭✭✭✭listermint

    Evidently you know nothing of the location's you are talking about. I'd go as far to say you are doing your friends a disservice by bull shiting them about ireland. They'll leave with a half experience from someone who is clueless. I get them pissed and hope for the best..

    Boy genius stuff right there.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭HBC08

    I know,it's a shame the way Dublin is the way it is but hey ho.

    There's lots of nice parts of Ireland too.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,470 ✭✭✭✭Ush1

    There's no junkies fighting in Cork or Galway?

    "We don't see things the way they are, we see them the way we are."

  • Registered Users Posts: 33,931 ✭✭✭✭listermint

    Its not though. Its a shame your friends have to put up with both your ignorance of the place and your hyperbole. But here we are.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King

    I would like to see a scenario where a well funded and properly trained and equipped city police force have a zero tolerance approach to scrotes, junkies and general vagabonds in the city. That alone would make an enormous difference.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭HBC08

    There will always be a % of the population who are junkies,scummers,knackbags whatever,that's just a fact.

    That there is a higher % per capita in Dublin is again further evidence that's its a kip.

    This is easy enough logic to follow.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,697 ✭✭✭Allinall

    How higher of a %?

    Have you done extensive research? Because you've said you don't live in Dublin.

    Where do you live?

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs

    Dublin was a tiny capital city up until relatively recently and for most of its history was a small enclave around the southern bit of the Liffey lacking in cash. Cash came along with expansion in the 18th century, the Georgian bits and bobs being the echo of that, but it was still small and underdeveloped compared to most capital cities in Europe. The industrial revolution essentially passed it by almost entirely. I could never square the notion held by some that Dublin "was the second city of the British empire", because there is a long list of cities in England and Scotland that would have put it in the tupenny hapenny place on that score.

    Then some cash and expansion started to come in again in the mid to late 19th century, but it was still relatively small and very much off the beaten track culturally and economically as a European capital city. It had one of the largest slums in Europe at the time. We also didn't have the back and forth of different cultures invading or taking over the way some European cities did. Then we got our independence and cash was again in very short supply and the city suffered from that(as did the countryside) as we went forward under our own steam(never mind that bits of it were shot to feck during that time). We can see an example of some of that in a place like the Natural History Museum. The 19th century cash built it and filled it, but it stayed pickled after that. Today it's an actual museum of a museum. Which has its own charm too of course.

    Then it started to rapidly grow in the mid 20th century as people moved from even less well off rural areas into it looking for work and better lives which led to the sprawl of the suburbs around a tiny centre we see today(so I blame the culchies 😜). We didn't have the cash to build up, so we built out and where we did build up in residential areas that didn't go too well.

    So yes it's no Paris or Rome, or London, or Madrid, but it has it's own charm because of that. The centre is human sized in many ways, more intimate. It has its problems that's for sure, but so do all of the above mentioned cities and they can have bigger problems with it because of their size and wider histories.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,859 ✭✭✭growleaves

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭Mister Vain

    Trust Wibbs to go all encyclopedic on it. 😁

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭HBC08

    Born in Dublin,lived there til I was 9,moved to west of Ireland,left Ireland early 20s,lived in lots of places around the world,returned mid 30s.Do you need any more details? Does it make my argument any less true?

    Would you believe I personally haven't done any extensive research but more lived experience so its only an opinion,a fairly prevalent one I imagine.

    Sorry,didn't mean to rile you up so much.

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,714 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha

    Serious question, how safe do people reckon the place is (with the usual cop on in cities of course)? Seems like the topics of random attacks and feral youths are ever present with regards to Dublin.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx

    All a minority of wealthy upper middle class areas

    Problems in town are all down to the tolerance of the culture of delinquency which is so prevalent in this country, not enough proper policing

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,470 ✭✭✭✭Ush1

    ...and yet people still flock to Dublin. Property prices are as high as ever, its clearly the most desirable region of Ireland to live in despite your thoughts on a prevalent hatred for the place.

  • Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭lenan

    Precovid had a weekend in Belfast, I felt far safer at night than I have done during the day in Dublin. Remarked to some locals about it the said there is a zero tolerance of antisocial behaviour certainly seems to work!

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭HBC08

    Jeez,a lot of thin skinned dubs about.As I mentioned earlier I understand if you're from there you won't like criticism or people pointing out it's a dump,that's OK,it's natural.

    No hatred for the place from me,I've been in a lot of sh1teholes,I don't hate them it's just facts.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭manonboard

    Recently returned to Ireland for a couple of months. Ive been really disappointed in some elements in Dublin city.

    The 3 big gripes i have that really didn't bother me until i experienced better are:

    1: Dog shite everywhere. Its all over residential streets. Almost nobody picks it up. The smell is very obvious some days. Im really surprised. I didnt notice it before because it was just always there. The lack of bins for people to put it in is terrible. Of course people wont pick it up if the facilities are not on hand to dispose of it. Though its largely a cultural apathy towards it that allows it. The difficulty it creates for blind people must be extreme. They cant see the stuff.. they only know they step in it when they get home and its dragged on the floor or on their hands, and it would be so difficult to clean up for them. Its really sad.

    2: The terrible transportation links to airport. Its unbelievable how much we have normalized not having a decent rail connection to the airport. Its terrible that there is such poor rail throughout the city. We should have built an underground metro 15 years ago. Its the capital city! Even cork should have one.

    3: The luas was sometimes bad before, but the anti social behavior on it has increased dramatically. Its from a certain cohort that we cant condemn their culture. Ive seen 2 racist attacks in the last 2 months on it near tallaght. This is really sad. I grew up in dublin city, and its the first time ive ever stopped using a infrastructure link due to anti social behavior. I think Tallaght luas is considered a no go for me after 8pm now.

    Im leaving again in a couple of days for a new city (not related to my experiences in dublin, already planned). Im kinda sad that some of these problems with the city are so normalized. The people of Dublin deserve better, but the apathy and lack of accountability towards problems just persists them. There is far too much leniency given to perpetrators of poor behavior than to the victims who have to endure it. Respecting fellow citizens is something that should always be a priority. I think alot of it stems from a messed up legal/rehabilitation system, that very little can ever be enforced through force.. so everyone deep down knows nothing is going to change.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭OEP

    I've lived in Dublin for 13 years and have never once been in an unsafe situation. That's not to say it can't happen, but you'd have to be unlucky - like anywhere really. One year of that was spent living in North Strand which would be known to be rough - especially between there and the city centre which I would have walked frequently. There are scumbags etc. around but I think you just have to get unlucky and be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,956 ✭✭✭circadian

    I don't think you can compare Chisinau and Dublin in fairness.