When will life go back to normal

mcsean2163

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118217178#Comment_118217178

It seems pretty much everyone in the EU with university education has English. Corporate tax rising to 15%.

Estonia looks great.

Maybe companies might think twice about locating in a small island not connected to mainland Europe where the employees all talk about the 'numbers' and want to work at home...

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118218906#Comment_118218906

NO cancer is ‘entirely’ preventable, no heart disease either...you can lower the risk factors only.

you can engage in a lifestyle that lessens your chance of developing these conditions... I know of one non smoker who died of lung cancer. My cousin last year, he was 52.

you can get lung cancer having never smoked a day in your life...

researching it....

15% of male lung cancer patients are never smokers.

45% of female lung cancer patients are never smokers.

my grandfather died at I think 52.. massive heart attack, non smoker, non drinker... in fact he was a pioneer all his life...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118218951#Comment_118218951

Humanitarian of the day award.

UK has hit 1000 deaths a week, what was it Boris said, “let the bodies pile high”?

If you “let it fkn run”, are you hoping for a sprint or a marathon? Or do you just want to eradicate the elderly, vulnerable and the unvaccinated?

If your child needed an ICU bed during the “run”, will your flippant attitude hold?

dalyboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118218971#Comment_118218971

1000 deaths in a week in the UK ? In a fully socially / economically opened UK ? No masks or number hysteria madness?

Pro rata Uk - Ireland … So divide 1000 deaths by 10 = 100 deaths

Last week Ireland had nearly 80 deaths

If I was a young person 18-35 years with no kids then id be on a plane in the morning to soak up 100% normality again.

Ireland is completely goosed

Timing belt

18th of July, Covid ended, Galway got liberated from Indians, Marathon changed it's name to Snickers

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210373#Comment_118210373

Yes,the UK,that's who we need to look to.

They're doing a great job on Covid and on all other fronts these days.

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058219214/when-will-life-go-back-to-normal

Never, you can no more go back to 2019 than you can to 1970. Somethings may go back, but in many cases the changes are permanent.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118219060#Comment_118219060

You missed the point.

mariaalice

Normality in the UK? My daughter and her bf are still working from home.

mariaalice

Plus are people for reall blaming those in ICU with cancer or heart issues for being there.

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210451#Comment_118210451

It’s pretty bad with the vaccine too

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210442#Comment_118210442

52 is the new 44

mariaalice

It's still people In ICU with an entirely preventable viras. Cancer and heart desise are not entirely preventable.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118219867#Comment_118219867

Covid is as preventable as cancer and heart disease - your habits and lifestyle can mitigate it, but even if you take all precautions you can still get cancer (same for covid).

We dont lament ICU filling with flu patients yearly either, and castigate them for catching a "preventable" illness?

What about car crash victims? Sure if they didnt drive that night, they wouldnt need ICU treatment. Preventable my hole

mariaalice

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118219880#Comment_118219880

we will have to agree to disagree I am not blaming anyone for being in ICU with covid or anything else it one of those things, it those who say its only old people or those with underlying health conditions I have an issue with.

Cancer is not preventable the lifestyle aspect is way oversold, smoking is different.

jrosen

Unless something drastically changes within our health system I think Ireland will be facing the effects of covid for quite some time. We will continue to run in cycles, good times ease restrictions, bad times increase restrictions.

Beasty

I'm not sure if things will return to how they were pre-pandemic. I used to think how strange it was seeing people from Asia walking around London in masks long after the SARS virus had died down. In this case we need it to die down globally, but there are many poor nations that seem to have little chance of being able to fully vaccinate their populations. Herd immunity seems to be less likely to be achieved as this virus can be caught multiple times, sometimes not very far apart. It seems to have a hold that may be difficult to break free of, and we may be resigned to annual boosters. I think we will be able to drop all restrictions though due to vaccinations being available in countries like our own

Equally we need to be vigilant for new variants or indeed completely new viruses. Maybe it was always a matter of time before something like this hit, and the way the world has developed into global market places and with so much international travel we may be exposed to new viruses.

Maybe part of the solution (which may not be particularly popular) will be to make international travel more difficult (which will also help with global warming targets). 50 years ago it was typically only businessmen that would take flights, but the take off of package holidays in the 1970s triggered a desire of many people to explore further afield. I know I did not get on a plane until I was 26. Over the following 26 years I probably caught 3-400 flights or more. Zero flights over the past 20 months mind!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118219880#Comment_118219880

How about a crash victim who is in ICU because he refused to wear a seat belt? A decision that meant instead of getting out of the car with a few bruises, he now has life threatening injuries. The crash might not be entirely preventable, but the severity of the injuries are.

Did flu patients ever fill up ICUs on a scale anywhere close to Covid patients prior to the pandemic?

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118220033#Comment_118220033

Did flu patients ever fill up ICUs on a scale anywhere close to unvaccinated Covid patients prior to the pandemic?

Yes, ICUs routinely risked being at capacity due to flu patients taking up 2/3 or more of ICU beds, in good years it was less, bad years it could be more. A bad flu season would push our health system to its limit, not to mention the trolley crises in general care. HSE have historical reports on confirmed influenza cases and numbers in ICU each year.

Bot1

The premise of the original question is flawed.

It's like people asking after WW1 or WW2, The Wall Street Crash or The Spanish Flu - when will life go back to normal before XYZ.......

There is no going back. We are living through history at the moment.

It's all about adapting and going with it, which is what society has always done.

Some of the adaptions will be - more robust Health Services that can cope with surges, more capacity in our schools to deal with staff shortages, WFH, air purification systems, wearing masks when symptomatic, not calling to peoples houses when your sick etc. etc.

I'm hopeful that boosters will offer stronger immunity, early data from Israel suggests as much. I'm hopeful that new treatments will continue to be produced, like that pill recently. I'm hopeful the virus will mutate into something more benign, similar to the Spanish flu, it isn't ideal for a virus to kill its host.

So, yes, eventually will we get fully back to normal.

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118218947#Comment_118218947

Calling the UK back to normal is pushing it but at least there is not the limbo that plagues Ireland. Moved from Dublin to London in August and I have not looked back since.

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118219867#Comment_118219867

So the people who are double jabbed, but still get Covid and need some ICY care - how could they have prevented it, exactly?

funkyzeit100

There's no sign of anything going back to normal, just wishful thinking of a nebulous "some time at some point".

Looking at the impact, from child psycology problems to millions of people of dead, our quality of life has been reduced.

Perhaps our overall life expectancies have been reduced, maybe we're all waiting to bite the bullet from covid in the end. We'll see.

However the origin of this virus, as well as a million other problems, has been globalisation. Globalisation needs to be seriously re-thought as to it's overall benefits (there are very few for most people).

And as a matter of retribution and justice, I want to see China held accountable and be penalized for the whole disaster. They were warned 500 ways about their lifestyles and that it could create pandemics, and they willfully ignored it.

If I have to wear a mask for the rest of my life because of some Chinese **** up, I want them punished for it so as they won't ignore international advice ever again.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118220358#Comment_118220358

What lifestyle warnings were they given?

The Mighty Quinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118220513#Comment_118220513

And from who??

funkyzeit100

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118220513#Comment_118220513

The amount of publications centered around environmentalism, food production methods and disease forecasts that contain china as a primary "target" is gigantic, stretching back over a decade and more.

No, I'm not going to put a bibliography together for you. It's all there and you'll find it within minutes of looking about.

They were warned again and again, and they ignored it again and again. And voila, here we are.

That they have actually benefitted through the pandemic that they caused, in terms of "buying opportunities" and the like is just the icing on the cake.

They are accountable for this situation.

funkyzeit100

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118220545#Comment_118220545

Mickey Jones, down the lane.

And also the various branches of the United Nations, WHO, ecdc, cdc, and you name it.

As above, if you want to know, you'll find it all within minutes.

If you don't want to know, that's even easier.

titan18

Possibility the answer to this is never, but at the least it's going to be years tbh. At this stage, it's a bit foolish to hope this is done even by this time next year.

BorneTobyWilde

I THINK this is the new normal. Every death will be treated like a car accident. Need to open up, and go full steam ahead.

There is no answer, all we can do is create a 1000 more icu beds, as we'll need them. In a covid world you need a covid hospital, build a new hospital with 2000 general beds.

mariaalice

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118220309#Comment_118220309

It's more about society preventing lowering covid not individuals by themselves. It's a sobering thought that 3 years ago no one was in ICU with covid not one single individual.

I don't see life ever going back to normal in Ireland. But the good news is that I see there being countries people will be able to emigrate to. Sates in the US, Scandinavia, possibly Brazil. Maybe England.

BorneTobyWilde

Wuhan has a population of over 8 million, and they haven't had a covid case for a while now, an odd single case here and there. That's 8m tightly packed people, I dunno how there are doing it.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118221224#Comment_118221224

If it is to be believed, it is because China is an authoritarian regime far beyond anything we see in the west. They have tight control over borders and no political opposition, so they can lock down and disappear whoever they like.

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118221224#Comment_118221224

Simple. The Chinese figures are completely made up. Based on deliveries of cremation urns it is believed the real death rate in Wuhan is at least six-fold higher than the official one.

JTMan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058219214/when-will-life-go-back-to-normal

Late Spring, Summer and early Autumn should return to normal or very close to normal soon unless we have a variant that evades immunity. Albeit masks (in public transport and retail) and social distancing (in offices etc) might need a few years before that happens in these seasons.

Every Winter, for the foreseeable future, we need an "adjustment" by society. That adjustment is likely to be mandatory WFH for Winter, masks and a lot of people choosing to avoid large gatherings.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118222127#Comment_118222127

So it won't really be back to normal then. Masks and social distancing anywhere means life is not back to normal.

What I really don't understand is why sensible countries such as Sweden and Norway get on with life, and England too to a lesser extent, while in Ireland it's years way and/or never.

Russman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118222184#Comment_118222184

As Bot1 mentions above:

"There is no going back. We are living through history at the moment.

It's all about adapting and going with it, which is what society has always done."

IMHO wishing we were back in 2019 is wasted energy, its not happening, not now, not ever. We might get close to how we were, but there's always going to be some part of life, however large or trivial, that's different to what it was. Whether its masks, covid jabs, vaccine certs, whatever, some things are just going to be different. There's never been a world event that hasn't led to permanent change.

CalamariFritti

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118219060#Comment_118219060

Some people think we are better than them.

UK = 66m. So 1000/13=75, thats pretty close to our weekly death rate if not less. With UK hospitalisations dropping despite consistently highish case numbers. Speaking of case numbers, they are averaging ~40k (40,000/13=3,000), again not a number we're even matching currently.

Yet we have panic they have normal. And someone who says do what they do is a granny killer.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118218966#Comment_118218966

Estonia has a large neighbour with weapons that is also an old coloniser that'd like it back. Huge risk unless Putin and his politics are replaced.

PicardWithHair

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210249#Comment_118210249

or dead - said with glee....

BanditLuke

There is no going back. I can remember certain posters saying as much at the start of the pandemic and being ridiculed by a clique of posters on here. What we should have been doing over the last nearly 2 years is building up our hospital and ICU capacity to deal with the variating flow of covid patients we will see over the next few years, peaking in January/Feb and falling then in the summer months. We've put all our eggs in the vaccine basket and undoubtedly vaccines help they won't end this pandemic.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118222555#Comment_118222555

We've got a centre right government ideologically opposed to expanding state owned hospital capacity, basically. So it was never going to happen. The end 2022 public ICU bed target is now lower than the end 2021 one was originally.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118222422#Comment_118222422

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118219060#Comment_118219060

Where are you guys getting getting your Covid death stats from? Last week there were 18 Covid deaths, the week before was 22. (Note: the figures include those who died within this time period and whose death has been reported to CIDR up to 24/11/2021. It does not include deaths of COVID-19 cases reported to CIDR in the last week but with an earlier date of death. It also does not reflect the final number of deaths occurring for this period as the outcome may not yet have occurred, or is yet to be reported to CIDR.)

You can both take a look back on stats to see when there were 80 covid deaths, and maybe take another run at your comparative calculations.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/weeklyreportoncovid-19deathsreportedinireland/

PicardWithHair

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118219069#Comment_118219069

19th!!

McGarnigle2020

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118208118#Comment_118208118

The funny thing is, this is an EU thing.

England is fully back to normal and has been since July 19th 2021. You will spot young idiots wearing masks here and there, but aside from that the clubs are full, you can sit where you like in a crowded pub, etc etc. The worst they get are occasional murmurs about the possibility of domestic vax passes and an impending lockdown, but England's daily cases seem to have remained around the 30 to 50K mark for months and nobody seems to panic about it, vax passes seem unlikely bar for international travel.

The other day I went on the Daily Mail app and counted the stories down as I scrolled- it was 32 articles before I hit one about Covid.

There are 12 Covid stories on journal.ie since midnight last night, in comparison.

Whatever you may think of him Boris Johnson is a- a libertarian and b- enjoys a pint in a pub. And his people are better off for it. There is absolutely no doubt Kreepy Keir or Red Jez would have them on restrictions similar to ours if they were in government.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118222810#Comment_118222810

A story about a new Covid mutation is the main story today on the Daily Mail site and the 1000 deaths a week was covered prominently in the past few days with ministers being asked if there was a risk of restrictions being introduced.

But carry on from Peppa Pig land (in case you don’t get that, look up bumbling Boris’s cringing speech to industry leaders earlier this week)

otterjotter

I don't know because they say that it will never be the same as pre covid-19 again.

CalamariFritti

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118222607#Comment_118222607

Current moving 7 day average is 6 but it was 11 only a week ago.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118222909#Comment_118222909

Would you rather be in England, where life is normal, or in Ireland, where there is 24/7 hysteria every day?