"Green" policies are destroying this country

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121955906#Comment_121955906

Now, who long and how much power does it take to recharge them?

gossamerfabric

That depends entirely upon cell arrangement.

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121955602#Comment_121955602

He probably bought it in a Limerick shop and it arrived by stork.

machiavellianme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121955906#Comment_121955906

What sodium batteries are they and where can I buy some? Last I heard, they're still a bit away from commercialisation (apart from a few grid prototypes in China)?

gossamerfabric

Commercialised in the next 5 years. Sodium batteries are already in some Chinese city cars. Lithium battery based grid storage solutions will be retired early and the contents salvaged. Government should not be subsidizing lithium based grid storage now.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121955429#Comment_121955429

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121955732#Comment_121955732

Easier to answer both, read the f**king posts would be first observation

I asked the question was golf ball sized hail stones been blown at 100-150mph a freak event? I think we can all agree it is. Maybe you won’t and spend the next few hours on google trying to find if it isn’t, bang away. Don’t bother quoting me as I’m sure someone else will be equally enthusiastic about the nonsense you find and I personally won’t

Now apart from that please continue on the ranting and raving against the green agenda 👍

ginger22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121958057#Comment_121958057

There seem to be only one person on here "ranting and raving". I wonder who would that be. Pot kettle black comes to mind.

Captain_Crash

@Clo-Clo ”I asked the question was golf ball sized hail stones been blown at 100-150mph a freak event? I think we can all agree it is”

It depends on context, if it happened in Kinnagad on a cool Autumn day then yes, it’s a freak event….. but in Texas at this time of year, which is where the event linked a few pages ago happened, it is incredibly common.

The suspercells that produce such events are almost daily across the southern US between March and August. There is even one active as I type this a little further north in Nebraska, where such events are also common.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121958557#Comment_121958557

Ther thread is called "Green" policies are destroying this country.

Why would we worry about the weather in texas?

In that case should we also consider the weather in Alaska when we make strategic decisions?

Even in that scenario if we look at the Worldwide installation the chances of getting hit and damaged with hail are low. So yes it is a freak event for a solar field to get hit with large hail.

In terms of this happening in Ireland, of course it could, but the chances are tiny and if we only make decision based on ruling out all issues then nothing will ever get done

gossamerfabric

Clo-Clo obviously isn't well travelled and can't conceptualize what is a relatively normal occurrence where there is a continental climate. Last summer I was in Austria when there was a hailstorm and everyone out enjoying the evening had to clear off the streets as there were hailstones the size of ping pong balls and the light rail lines were knocked out by branches broken by the hail and crossing the powerlines.

prunudo

Not uncommon for greenhouses in the Netherlands to get damaged due to hail storms. And lets not forget the freak hail storm that effected Enniscorthy last July. So while rare, can't write off the possibility that solar panels could get damaged here, in Ireland from hail storms.

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121948628#Comment_121948628

The only way to solve climate change is to bring humanity out of poverty and increase education levels (especially female which leads to collapse in birth rates) and embrace science and technology

None of the “green” fundamentalist ideas actually care to solve the problem and are instead busy reinventing organised religions with same narratives that play on fears and are predicated on a constant sense of impending doom

The policies discussed in this thread by green proponents instead actively want to impoverish populations, for all them wind and solar we have built the prices only ever go up as well as profits of companies who can then hire influencers to post here what seems almost hourly

Gloomtastic!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121961745#Comment_121961745

If by impoverished you mean Irish people live in smaller houses and drive smaller cars then that is progress to a more sustainable future.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121954904#Comment_121954904

You're using a decade and a half old Dell?

Blazer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121961888#Comment_121961888

Not sure if its a smartarse reply but nope.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121962566#Comment_121962566

They were the last scale computer builder in Limerick

Anything else is small scsld final line assembly of primarily Taiwanese or parts.

roosterman71

Ya know the way we're told it's a climate emergency, and everyone has to do more. Well according to this, 40% of the people couldn't give a fiddlers

https://www.newstalk.com/news/a-massive-ecological-cost-is-it-time-to-ration-flights-for-climate-change-1712106#Echobox=1712138886

Now the contributor here, John Gibbons, wouldn't be pissed on by me if he was on fire. He's full of waffle and speaks out of both sides of his mouth in a "do as I say, not as I do" approach. His last line though, I do agree with.

Mr Gibbons called for airline tickets and aviation fuel to be fully taxed in order to reduce airlines' ability to offer cheap flights.

I've even suggested on this very thread that each km travelled should incur the price of the carbon emitted for each km.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121971680#Comment_121971680

Now now, that's not what the links says does it

roosterman71

What would you read this as

New figures show that 40% of Irish people are planning to go on three or more overseas holidays this year.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121971747#Comment_121971747

40% of people don't give a fiddlers

That is what you posted, just because someone goes on a holiday you claim they dont care about the environment? is that really true?

The amount of noise created on both sides is pure waffle. Just because someone who has worked all year and been environmentally friendly goes on holidays is suddenly classified as "don't give a fiddles" is bullshit and I expect you know that

Anaki r2d2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121947358#Comment_121947358

it’s not often that Liverpool (liverpool one) is hailed as a shining example. Have you witnessed the amount of drug dealing that goes on there?

Ok there few cars (Go Greens! Walk on with hope in your heart!), but there is so much shady behaviour daytime and largely a no go area at night. it’s fine if your a group of 6 lads, but you would not recommend your mum and sister go for a walk there after 8pm.

“But its class la, no cars, it’s all LA’s” - this works better with a Liverpool accent

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121971799#Comment_121971799

I posted that. I believe, if you go on 3 foreign holidays then climate issues aren't really to the forefront of your thinking. Would you disagree with that opinion? Of course people are entitled to go on holidays. More power to them. My issue is, as aviation is a burden on the climate, no way in hell should it be free from taxation.

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121971824#Comment_121971824

I mentioned Liverpool for the pedestrianisation they have deployed around that area. It's done well. What else goes on wasn't mentioned. Are you suggesting we shouldn't pedestrianise anywhere because shady behaviour is curtailed due to cars being about?

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121971902#Comment_121971902

everyone wants to save the world when asked by the journalists or survey companies. That is, until you ask them to reduce their holidays, stop purchasing cheap tat from overseas or buying out of season fruit from far away places.

Anaki r2d2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121971917#Comment_121971917

Nope, You tell me why the pedestrianisation of Liverpool docks region is a resounding success.

Apart from the exclusion of cars. Apart from that Green win, apart from the exclusion of any local business, apart from the influx of mutli nationals, apart from the open drug dealing. The general lack of personal safety come dusk.

Come on, you mentioned it as a shiny example.

Please explain the benefits apart from mass consumption, car exclusion and inflation of land prices that forces locals to move outside the city and commute into the city. Never mind all the staff that can’t afford to live there and now have to commute in.

Com, la, Speke up, tells us why it’s Boss

Ps,

The reality is most of us can think for ourselves, know that reducing consumption is good. Deposit return scheme is dumb. Walking and cycling more is good. Taxing people before alternatibe travel options are in place are foolish. Reducing air travel and car travel is good.

Being lectured constantly by green bots is bad….actually really nauseating. Hard to see one good thing the Green Party have done in this country. (Would love someone to tell me (without lecturing) in simple basic points. What would not have been done without Eamon Ryan’s influence)

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121971680#Comment_121971680

A problem is exemption from fuel duty being written into a lot of international aviation treaties. If the Greens (EU-wide) don't get massacred in the Euro elections can foresee a uniform EU-internal duty by the end of the decade, but for long-haul no chance.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121971680#Comment_121971680

You could increase the tax on air travel to the level that only a minority can afford to fly, but if you had a wet, cold, miserable period of weather in the last two weeks of July or the first two weeks of August then politicians could quickly find out what the phrase "Let them eat cake" stands for.

You could always give everyone a certain annual allocation of air miles, where similar to the entitlements scheme in agriculture, they could sell if not using them. That would encourage people to stay in the country, give them more money to spend while doing so, and reduce the numbers flying.

No great difference from taxing the bo;;ox out of air travel other than cutting out another green tax money making scheme for governments.

Anaki r2d2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121972486#Comment_121972486

yup. Another way to penalise 5 million people whilst the rest of the work parties on. China, India, Brazil etc.

Irish green party policy = we will, we will tax you. Works best when sung to this:

https://youtu.be/-tJYN-eG1zk?feature=shared

ps200306

Ireland's attemps to flush good money down the toilet on green boondoggles is becoming farcical. From the Business Post's ESG briefing:

Why Ireland is unique in its massive climate spending plans

With climate change requiring governments to step in with new spending plans to support the energy transition, many European member states are wondering where they are going to be able to find the extra cash.
At a recent meeting of energy ministers at the International Energy Agency in Paris, Bruno Le Maire, the French economy minister, told delegates that governments were facing “huge fiscal difficulties” due to large public debt following the Covid and energy inflation crises, and therefore Europe “could not count on more public funding” for the energy transition and fight against climate change.
“There is no possibility for us to put much more money on the table,” Le Maire said, instead advocating for significant increases in private investment.
In Ireland, we are having a slightly different conversation.
Buoyed by our bumper corporate tax receipts, capital and current spending by the government on climate initiatives remains high here, and plans are afoot to futureproof that high level of climate spending, even long after this government has left office.
As I reported at the weekend, a new €14 billion infrastructure fund will be utilised only for environmental projects this decade, unless there is an economic downturn, according to newly published legislation.
The new Infrastructure, Climate and Nature Fund will act exclusively as a reserve for environmental spending, and will only be opened up for other infrastructure projects if there is a “deterioration in the economic or fiscal position of the state”.
It is one of two new funds being established to house some of the excess corporate tax receipts flowing into state coffers, along with the other €100 billion Future Ireland Fund. 
That will not be deployed until 2041 at the earliest and is intended to help manage the costs to the state of an ageing population, as well as other issues.
But the smaller €14 billion infrastructure fund will be open to ministers for additional spending from 2026.
Those environmental projects are defined as including projects that contribute directly or indirectly to the “reduction of greenhouse emissions”, actions under the National Biodiversity Action Plan, marine strategy objectives, and water initiatives.
The fund will only be further opened up to non-environmental projects in the event that the minister for public expenditure has determined that the “deterioration… in the economic or fiscal position of the state is of such significance that it would be appropriate to make a payment” and following a Dáil vote.
It is a significant public fiscal innovation that seeks to futureproof climate and nature spending. And it is one that is happening only because of Ireland’s unique position as the taxable jurisdiction for some of the highest earning multinationals in the world.

While other countries point out that they have other infrastructure priorities, Ireland — with its own plethora of infrastructure woes — ringfences eye-watering amounts of money for future green spending. We literally can't spend the money fast enough so we lock it away until we can.

Excess cash often leads to malinvestment. Ireland is determined to be a shining example of that. It's not like it's going to make one millikelvin of difference to global climate change. What it may well do is drive away those multinationals that are contributing to the surplus we're so determined to piss away.

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121972121#Comment_121972121

I say it's a success as it's done well. It's pedestrianised. Tick. There's lots of people freely able to move around. Tick. There's lots of shops/cafes/bars/restaurants. Tick. It's kept clean. Tick. To me, as a visitor there it looked good.

apart from the exclusion of any local business, apart from the influx of mutli nationals, apart from the open drug dealing. The general lack of personal safety come dusk.

Please explain the benefits apart from mass consumption, car exclusion and inflation of land prices that forces locals to move outside the city and commute into the city. Never mind all the staff that can’t afford to live there and now have to commute in.

You have every one of these in a non pedestrianised area too. This isn't due to removing cars, but due to policing, planning, etc.

The reality is most of us can think for ourselves, know that reducing consumption is good. Deposit return scheme is dumb. Walking and cycling more is good. Taxing people before alternatibe travel options are in place are foolish. Reducing air travel and car travel is good.

Agree to all of that, though I'd hold out on the DRS until it's settled into peoples life and how it works. I got charged 30c on cans of Guinness the other day and when I returned I only go 25c back. I suspect there's some scamming happening here.

Being lectured constantly by green bots is bad….actually really nauseating. Hard to see one good thing the Green Party have done in this country. (Would love someone to tell me (without lecturing) in simple basic points. What would not have been done without Eamon Ryan’s influence)

I'm no green fan by a long shot, but they did reduce the motor tax on the type of cars I drive so I'll give them a mark there. The grants for EVs, house renovations, etc were all positive too. Albeit, not catering for everyone and the process to get them was shite.